Trump Announces Alaska Summit with Putin

[Oldcarpy2]

Well, this war for one thing never would have happened without Lindsay Graham, John McCain and friends poking the bear.  It's crystal clear undeniable.
Too late now we have to clean up the mess. 
Let's hope we can get a peace treaty signed very soon.

No, it isn't.

But yes, a peace treaty would be good.

But not one that Putin has broken many times before

[xuenchen]

LMAO! President Trump just clowned on Zelensky for cancelling Ukrainian elections, saying he might follow Zelensky’s lead and cancel the 2028 election

The leftist media is going to lose their SH*T over this
https://x.com/nicksortor/status/1957496786949697682

Trump has got to be the funniest president ever. LoL

They're already stepping in the glue traps 

[xuenchen]

Now let's see what happens with the Trump-Putin phone call!!

I wonder if they'll let Zelenskyy "listen in" 

[putnam6]

lol, Wonderful performance. Are you sure you haven't been sent by central casting?

Man, this place seems to be stuck in a time warp.

We are discussing details most of us have covered ad nauseam on Above Top Secret.

Even when ATS began its dementia tourettes syndrome phase, there was usually a base level of facts agreed upon; now, with Ukraine, some ignore the factual influence wielded by American politicians. Even if it wasn't about the "grift" it's still not what an American Senator is elected to do. Well, unless his state is full of defense contractors, where the Senator's phone is on speed dial

[Oldcarpy2]

They're already stepping in the glue traps 

Another cryptic nonsense post?

Be nice if you actually explained what on Earth your point is?

I know, probably the triumph of hope over experience but still...

[xuenchen]

Getting rid of Pro Russian, massively corrupt, protester murdering Yanukovych when the people wanted pro Europe not going back to a Soviet style vassal state was a bad thing, how?

It's what happened AFTER that is what became the huge problem. 

The wrong corruptors got the butter churning 

[xuenchen]

[Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYs7Sllam9E]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2...ront-line/

Are we sure that vid is real? I heard it was a propaganda vid to make people think Russia will attack a U.S. convoy. They want funding to continue  

[sahgwa]

some words
 European leaders tie security guarantees for Ukraine to their own defense Several of the leaders assembled around the table stressed the importance of guaranteeing Ukraine's security, not just for Kyiv but for the continent as a whole.
"When we talk about security, we're talking about the security not just of Ukraine, we're talking about the security of Europe and the United Kingdom as well," British Prime Minister Keir Starmer said.
Italian Prime Minister Giorgia Meloni said any agreement should focus on "how to be sure that it won't happen again," referring to Russia's invasion.
Alexander Stubb, the president of Finland, said the security guarantees are a "big part of this." Finland joined NATO in 2023 in response to Russia's invasion of Ukraine.
"Some of the international media might wonder, why is the president of Finland here? I think the reason is probably that we might come from a small country, but we have a long border with Russia, over 800 miles," Stubb said, mentioning Finland's own history with Russia, including the Soviet invasion of the country during World War II.
"If I look at the silver lining of where we stand right now, we found a solution in 1944, and I'm sure we'll be able to find a solution in 2025 to end Russia's war of aggression and find and get a lasting and just peace," Stubb said. 

 
Macron: "Everybody around this table is in favor of peace" The French president said that "everybody around this table is in favor of peace," noting that "when we speak about security guarantees, we speak about the whole security of the European continent." 
"This is why we are all united here with Ukraine on this matter," Macron said. 
Macron said to Mr. Trump, "you can count on us as we can count on you" to deliver peace for Ukraine and Europe more broadly. 
 
Germany's Merz stresses need for ceasefire before next meeting with Putin Merz, the German chancellor, said he "can't imagine" another meeting taking place without a ceasefire, a subtle suggestion to Mr. Trump that Putin should not be granted another meeting without agreeing to end the fighting in Ukraine.
"I can't imagine that the next meeting would take place without a ceasefire," Merz said. "So let's work on that, and let's try to put pressure on Russia. Because the credibility of these efforts we are undertaking today are depending on at least a ceasefire from the beginning of the series of negotiations, from next step on. So I would like to emphasize this aspect and would like to see a ceasefire from the next meeting, which should be a trilateral meeting, wherever it takes place."
Mr. Trump did not endorse that approach, and has said throughout the day that a ceasefire isn't necessary to reach an agreement.
"Well, we're going to let the president go over and talk to the president, and we'll see how that works out, and if we can do that," Mr. Trump said, meaning Putin and Zelenskyy. 
Mr. Trump said ceasefires haven't preceded peace talks in other peace deals he's been involved in around the world. 

 
Trump says they'll discuss possible exchanges of territories and security guarantees Mr. Trump said he and European leaders will discuss potential security agreement proposals for Ukraine, as well as the possible "exchanges" of territory. 
"The Alaska summit reinforced my belief that while difficult, peace is within reach," Mr. Trump said, alongside the European leaders. "And I believe that, in a very significant step, President Putin agreed that Russia would accept security guarantees for Ukraine, and this is one of the key points that we need to consider. And we're going to be considering that at the table also, like who will do what, essentially."
The president said he's "optimistic" they can reach a security agreement that will deter any future aggression against Ukraine. Mr. Trump said European nations will take "a lot" of the responsibility for ensuring Ukraine's security.
"We also need to discuss the possible exchanges of territory taken into consideration," Mr. Trump said, calling the current war lines "sad" to see. 
Mr. Trump said European leaders also need to consider the negotiating positions of Putin, and of Zelenskyy. 
"Ultimately, this is a decision that can only be made by President Zelenskyy and by the people of Ukraine, working also together and in agreement with President Putin," Mr. Trump said. 

https://www.cbsnews.com/live-updates/tru...e-ukraine/

[Harte]

Yes, but we all know how well that went down back in 1938? By giving into any tyrant and ceding land they've stolen, will only embolden them.

I literally don't care.
Two minor tin pots duking it out doesn't concern me.
Ukraine forfeited their standing with all their corruption.
The only difference between the two is that the US (and other) elites can't launder as much money through Russia as they do through Ukraine.

Harte

[FlyersFan]

News headlines now reading that Trump gave Zelenskyy 'security promises'.
If Zelenskyy admits Russia now has the land, Trump will have American security for Ukraine.
MAJOR MISTAKE.
We shouldn't be anywhere near this stink'n mess.
It's Europes problem.
It's their backyard.
It's their countries who are up next.
They are the ones who should be providing security.
Not us on the other side of the world.
We have our own security problems here to deal with.

   If these reports are real, I give a thumbs down to Trumps plan