Trump Announces Alaska Summit with Putin

[Kurokage]

Put down the koolaide...they haven't even actually declared war or properly mobilized...they haven't lost close to a generation...Ukraine has though sadly...and it got them nothing but hung out to dry.

I think you may have drank all the coolaid before any of us could even touch it....

http://Russia on brink of population cri...disappear'

Already over the past ten years, the number of residents in these towns has declined by 314,000. One of the main reasons for the demographic decline is the lack of employment, caused in part by a decrease in the number of small to medium-sized business. At the same time, small towns in the provinces have borne the brunt of military recruitment drives for the war in Ukraine.
 
The biggest declines in population have been observed in northern coal, steel and timber cities, as well as "peripheral towns in depressed regions", according to the report's authors.
At high risk of extinction are the towns of Verkhniy Tagil (Sverdlovsk region), Trubchevsk (Bryansk region), Inta (Komi), Kem and Medvezhyegorsk (Karelia), Torzhok (Tver region).
 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/202...1f68cd6e27

 
The numbers may be disputed, but the trends are clear: Russia is facing a demographic time bomb that will make it harder to wage war and, in the long run, keep its ailing economy going.
Sending waves of young men onto the battlefield, compounded by emigration, will result in tens of thousands of fewer births and hasten an already long-term decline in birth rates.
Alexey Raksha, an independent Russian demographer, says the Russian battlefield casualty numbers may not sound a lot for a country of 145 million people, but he believes the war will leave deep scars on an already fragile economy.
"If there are no soldiers, it means there are no men. No men, no sex. No sex, no children. It's very simple," he says. "But we also don't know what the psychological impact is going to be on these people, which will also cause the number of births to decline."

I think if Trump along with Zelensky and Europe stood up to Putin in a unified front, they could apply more pressure with sanctions and demand a cease fire. Every time Trump had a 'wonderful conversation' with Putin about ending the war, Putin would bomb Ukraine. You'd think he'd realise he's been played, but it took Melania to point that out to him...

[FlyersFan]

 Every time Trump had a 'wonderful conversation' with Putin about ending the war, Putin would bomb Ukraine. You'd think he'd realise he's been played, ...

Yep, Trump is being played by (monster) Putin.
He isn't being played by (corrupt) Zelenskyy.
Biden was played by both.
It's a stink'n mess.

[Kurokage]

How is that playing into Putin's hands? 

You can't be calling for a ceasefire, truce, and peace for months, and when Russia signals, they will meet in Alaska, just ignore them, you have to listen. Otherwise...

You are suggesting Trump does what exactly?

Trump instead of just meeting his other best pal Putin, should've asked for trilateral talks. He's also threaten more sanctions and has taco'ed away from those. Trump should've got Melania to go, she seems to understand the situation better.

[Kurokage]

You dont have to live where you invade.....

Most invaders through out time take and live in the land they invade, usually wiping out those they invade or assimilating. Putin is trying this with Ukraine, you only have to look at how he demands they only speak Russian in Crimea.

[Kurokage]

Yep, Trump is being played by (monster) Putin.
He isn't being played by (corrupt) Zelenskyy.
Biden was played by both.
It's a stink'n mess.

I think Zelensky is the lesser of two evils, even if you think he's corrupt. He's the better option than having Putin steam roller over Ukraine.

But it is a stinking mess.

[putnam6]

Trump instead of just meeting his other best pal Putin, should've asked for trilateral talks. He's also threaten more sanctions and has taco'ed away from those. Trump should've got Melania to go, she seems to understand the situation better.

Asked for trilateral talks? as if it hasn't happened. FFS, Ukraine doesn't want talks. 

It wants to be in NATO and have all the protections NATO countries have without meeting the criteria for being in NATO. Barring that which isn't likely to happen, Zelensky wants NATO to supply them till Russia leaves the captured territory.

Thats their position, it's completely justified...but for now

It's more productive to slowly and methodically see if Russia is budging from thier stated position(unlikely), sans Ukraine, as it just enflames the talks. 

Peace negotiations take time; even when both sides want to talk, it is part of the process.

The US/Vietnam War took almost 5 years, and thats with both sides actively participating. We aren't even close to that stage yet. Nor are we close to where Russia has internal pressure to end the war, like the US faced as the war waned on in Vietnam.

Ukraine alone can't inflict enough punishment on Russia to let go of the oblasts Putin has taken.

NATO isn't going to go full NATO for Zelensky either, but they do love selling him billions for the bump it gives their MIC

So it's perpetual military aid for Ukraine...in hopes Russia will cave with more sanctions.

Comparison

• Vietnam War Peace Talks: Lasted approximately 4 years and 8 months (1,723 days) from May 1968 to January 1973, resulting in the Paris Peace Accords.
  
• Russia-Ukraine War Peace Talks: As of August 10, 2025, have spanned approximately 3 years and 5 months (1,260 days) since February 2022, with no comprehensive agreement and only intermittent talks.
  
• Key Differences:
  • The Vietnam War talks were more sustained, with formal negotiations over several years, while Russia-Ukraine talks have been sporadic, with long gaps (e.g., no direct talks between spring 2022 and 2025).
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  • The Vietnam talks culminated in a signed agreement, albeit imperfect, while the Russia-Ukraine conflict remains unresolved, with negotiations hampered by entrenched positions and ongoing fighting.
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  • External actors (e.g., China, Soviet Union in Vietnam; U.S., Turkey in Ukraine) played significant roles in both, but the Russia-Ukraine talks face additional complexity due to Ukraine’s push for NATO integration and Russia’s territorial demands.
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• Current Status: The Vietnam War talks reached a conclusion, while Russia-Ukraine talks are ongoing, so their total duration may eventually surpass the Vietnam talks if no resolution is reached soon.
  

Notes

• The Vietnam War talks’ duration is well-documented, ending with a clear agreement, whereas the Russia-Ukraine talks’ duration is provisional due to the conflict’s ongoing nature.
  
• Posts on X highlight the Vietnam talks’ length (1,723 days) and draw parallels to the Russia-Ukraine conflict, noting Trump’s rapid diplomatic push in 2025 compared to the prolonged Vietnam negotiations. However, these posts are not conclusive evidence and reflect sentiment rather than definitive fact.
  
• The Russia-Ukraine talks’ intermittent nature and lack of progress make precise duration comparisons challenging, but the data suggests they have been shorter so far than the Vietnam talks.
  

[Oldcarpy2]

Putnam6 wrote:

"Asked for trilateral talks? as if it hasn't happened. FFS, Ukraine doesn't want talks. "

Yes they do.  They agreed to Trump's ceasefire.

Putin only agreed to talks when threatened with massive sanctions.

Do you really think he is sincere?

He is playing Trump for a mug.

Who knows how Trump will flip flop next?

[Oldcarpy2]

Putnam6 wrote:

"Asked for trilateral talks? as if it hasn't happened. FFS, Ukraine doesn't want talks. "

Yes they do.  They agreed to Trump's ceasefire.

Putin only agreed to talks when threatened with massive sanctions.

Do you really think he is sincere?

He is playing Trump for a mug.

Who knows how Trump will flip flop next?

https://news.sky.com/video/ukraines-path...y-13409597

"Volodymyr Zelenskyy has thanked Western allies for a joint statement calling for Ukraine to be involved in US-backed peace talks, and reiterated that 'path to peace must be determined together'."


You sure he doesn't want talks?

[Kurokage]

Asked for trilateral talks? as if it hasn't happened. FFS, Ukraine doesn't want talks. 

It wants to be in NATO and have all the protections NATO countries have without meeting the criteria for being in NATO. Barring that which isn't likely to happen, Zelensky wants NATO to supply them till Russia leaves the captured territory.

Thats their position, it's completely justified...but for now

It's more productive to slowly and methodically see if Russia is budging from thier stated position(unlikely), sans Ukraine, as it just enflames the talks. 

Peace negotiations take time; even when both sides want to talk, it is part of the process.

The US/Vietnam War took almost 5 years, and thats with both sides actively participating. We aren't even close to that stage yet. Nor are we close to where Russia has internal pressure to end the war, like the US faced as the war waned on in Vietnam.

Ukraine alone can't inflict enough punishment on Russia to let go of the oblasts Putin has taken.

NATO isn't going to go full NATO for Zelensky either, but they do love selling him billions for the bump it gives their MIC

So it's perpetual military aid for Ukraine...in hopes Russia will cave with more sanctions.

You seemed to have missed the fact that there is criteria for joining NATO? 

"Any European country in a position to further the principles of the Washington Treaty and contribute to security in the Euro-Atlantic area can become a member of the Alliance at the invitation of the North Atlantic Council," according to NATO's website. 
Thus, any European country that independently decides to pursue NATO membership may do so. But nations that wish to join must meet certain political, economic, and military standards. 

You seemed triggered by Ukraine? Ukraine does want peace, but on terms not just in Putin's favour. Trump could've helped if he had been more tougher with sanctions like he said he would.

I don't blame Zelensky for wanting continued support in defending his country, after all Russia are the terrorist invaders here, even though some of you seem to want to dismiss that fact and appear to like the thought of Putin just rolling into Europe.
I do agree peace talks take time, but a trilateral agreement in a cease fire would be a win for Trump (As most of the west/Europe think he's being played by Putin) and the first steps in an actual peace deal.

Ukraine has managed to inflict enough punishment over the last 3 years. Again, some of you seem to forget Putin thought he'd roll in and capture Ukraine in a matter of days, that never happened.

[IDELB2006]

You seemed to have missed the fact that there is criteria for joining NATO? 

You seemed triggered by Ukraine? Ukraine does want peace, but on terms not just in Putin's favour. Trump could've helped if he had been more tougher with sanctions like he said he would.

I don't blame Zelensky for wanting continued support in defending his country, after all Russia are the terrorist invaders here, even though some of you seem to want to dismiss that fact and appear to like the thought of Putin just rolling into Europe.
I do agree peace talks take time, but a trilateral agreement in a cease fire would be a win for Trump (As most of the west/Europe think he's being played by Putin) and the first steps in an actual peace deal.

Ukraine has managed to inflict enough punishment over the last 3 years. Again, some of you seem to forget Putin thought he'd roll in and capture Ukraine in a matter of days, that never happened.

You need to understand how this situation is entirely Zelensky's fault.

You see, during Trumps first term, Trump wanted Zelensky to open an investigation into the Biden's during an election year. Trump would take care of the rest.

So it goes something like, Zelensky is clearly corrupt because he wouldn't go along with Trumps scheme to throw the election in his favor. Those dirty Dirty dumbs will cheat to win by any means necessary.

Or something like that.