The Ten Commandments and the changed Roman Catholic version

[Bootless]

Naw, in this case Claude AI is playing Eris... or at least subtly telling me to shut up. Two-sides point acknowledged. 

But i cant help it when secular interpretations of divinity are turned into the head of a needle to pierce with a very narrow thread of applicability.

You dont get to say the 90% of the people on earth who don't believe in the Red Word Version you do are of Satan, simply because its not your narrow interpretation.

I feel the impulse to call that out, because It's a millenia old behavior than needs to be rolled into the soil by compassion, as ironic as that sounds to say like this. 

We need the set-up for a bar joke.  We need a Pope, a Grand Mufti, a high ranking Rabbi, and the Dali Lama to walk into a sanctuary.  We need more of all world religious leaders to keep coming together in name of secularism to declare all a path to god, in whatever form it may take, under the global ideals of togetherness. 

Even superficial photo op versions are beneficial because they spread the secular meme.

The Catholic Church didnt used to do that, they use to just kill you, so it's definitely the change i want to see that they no longer burn you for heresy.  

And when that is considered "of Satan..." If religious leaders coming together to embrace what they share rather than disagree with, is evil, then Hail the Apostate Church of The Devil.

What I've cherry-picked from The Principia Discordia so far, not much:

POEE DISORGANIZATIONAL MATRIX
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• II) The House of the Rising Collapse For the Encouragement of Liberation of Freedom, and/or the Discouragement of the Immanentizing of the Eschaton
  • A. The Breeze of Wisdom and/or The Wind of Insanity
    
  • B. The Breeze of Integrity and/or The Wind of Arrogance
    
  • C. The Breeze of Beauty and/or The Wind of Outrages
    
  • D. The Breeze of Love and/or The Wind of Bombast
    
  • E. The Breeze of Laughter and/or The Wind of Bullshit
    

Thanks to Eris and/or societal change, the usage of Immanentizing of the Eschaton has changed since the writings were written. Current usage:

In contemporary terminology this process is sometimes described as "hastening the eschaton" or "hastening the apocalypse". In this sense it refers to a phenomenon related to millenarianism and the specific Christian form of millennialism which is based on a particular reading of the Christian Bible's Book of Revelation especially popular among evangelicals in the United States.

wikipedia: Immanentize_the_eschaton

I would very much like to encourage the Liberation of Freedom, and Discourage the Immanentizing of the Eschaton.

But not really... I really just see the divine arrow of the naturally occurring god in these bemoaned secular ideals.

The sound of one hand (awaiting and/or seeking a complementary hand) and/or hands since there are polytheists among us too.

[IdeomotorPrisoner]

I like Discordianism for the paradigm shifting involved.

You can use anything. I think its a form that would be the result of Oscar Wilde writing a religion. Maybe a little Mark Twain. The Grand Social Commentary Religion - that veils a type of happiness, and self-determined moral compass more purely peaceful than anything else I've encountered. 

Though I kinda have a super-discordian view, where discordianism itself is another paradigm to use, along with principles popular in Therevada Buddhism, Reform Judaism, and Deist Christianity. 

I dont like to limit myself.

And I'd like to see the world follow the natural progressive arrow of diversity, equality, and inclusion too.

Just cant be dictated or it backfires. You have to wait for it to be universally agreed upon as good, like how it took 300 years for people to accept telescopes as not being tools of Satan.  

we are in the change of collective consciousness phase...

[UltraBudgie]

universally agreed upon as good, like how it took 300 years for people to accept telescopes as not being tools of Satan.  

ahem don't get all confidant about the scientism please. many people don't accept that whole "the moon is a dead rock and we've been there and earth is a lonely ball spinning in blackness" malarkey.

telescopes smelloscopes.


edit: haha and you thought someone would take the dei bait, not the telescope bait, huh? hahahaha....

[IdeomotorPrisoner]

So I am guessing you're of the "built by Magratheans and towed into place" school of thought regarding the moon?  I think it was just Thea, without the Magra part. 

Alas, I cant contest thy holy radioactive isotope decay wasnt something our universal creator made sure was a thing we could measure with its laws, to better and more precisely age the universe.

ETA: 

And the DEI part wasnt entirely bait, I just gotta laugh when people say the bare concepts of diversity, equality, and inclusion are not EXACTLY what Jesus preached...

Remember, it was only his fan club that reverse-transubstantiated him...

[Maxmars]

....

ETA: 

And the DEI part wasnt entirely bait, I just gotta laugh when people say the bare concepts of diversity, equality, and inclusion are not EXACTLY what Jesus preached...

Remember, it was only his fan club that reverse-transubstantiated him...

Pardon the interruption, but I would like to submit that you are correct...
Jesus 'preached' virtue, many of them... what it was... what they were...
He didn't signal it for glory*... 'look at me.'
There is a difference... and the fixation shows.

... * his "glory" part was added afterwards by the 'fan club'      (touché, by the way!)

[Bootless]

I like Discordianism for the paradigm shifting involved.

You can use anything. I think its a form that would be the result of Oscar Wilde writing a religion. Maybe a little Mark Twain. The Grand Social Commentary Religion - that veils a type of happiness, and self-determined moral compass more purely peaceful than anything else I've encountered. 

Though I kinda have a super-discordian view, where discordianism itself is another paradigm to use, along with principles popular in Therevada Buddhism, Reform Judaism, and Deist Christianity. 

I dont like to limit myself.

And I'd like to see the world follow the natural progressive arrow of diversity, equality, and inclusion too.

Just cant be dictated or it backfires. You have to wait for it to be universally agreed upon as good, like how it took 300 years for people to accept telescopes as not being tools of Satan.  

we are in the change of collective consciousness phase...

I slept. And as I slept
I dreamed.
Then the angle* of the fnord did wake me.
*(angle - not angel misspelled)
So I considered that once Preterism is abandoned
there is no reconciling the Millennium narrative
with the Gospel saying.

But that was merely the truth
as influenced by the angle of the fnord.

Having gone past that angle influence
I did realize
that I had in real fact been born into an actual secular utopia.

I estimate that 90% of utopians were church goers.
Many churches, many denominations,
none dominating over the other
none raiding the others for members.

The daily life of the Utopians was common;
working, chores, eating, shopping.
The unity was secular
the diversity was religious.

Diversity in Unity
not
Unity in Diversity
That is the ticket.

It was.

Utopia once lost,
can it be restored?

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Sanctification of the Mundane

It is likely that I heard that phrase first as a second hand comment,
as in:
"The Rabbi said '...sanctification of the mundane ...' Reformed I think he said." 

Some traditional religionists have categories separating Sacred from Profane.

What if there is no profane but for profanity's sake?

What if daily mundane life is as sacred as it gets?

[TheWay]

We do not know the afterlife and whether or not judgement (I believe it will be a self-judgement and assessment of one's mortal life guided by God/all/force) is immediate or a loving force/God guides us along to ascension or back to a mortal life to continue learning (by choice). If not, perhaps purgatory awaits those who can't move backwards or forwards - we just don't know.

The fact of the matter is, if there is an afterlife or a heaven or middle ground where God assists us in judging our mortal deeds, you can be sure atheists will certainly become believers and so Pope Francis was revealing a truth. Perhaps the second death in the lake of fire will be a cleansing fire, but we really don't know, now do we?

No, we do know. The Scripture makes it very clear. 

Inasmuch as it is appointed for men to die once, and after this, judgement, so Christ also, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time, not to deal with sin, but to save those who are eagerly waiting for him. (Hebrews 9:27-28 WEBPB)

This is an obvious sign of the righteous judgement of God, to the end that you may be counted worthy of God’s Kingdom, for which you also suffer. For it is a righteous thing with God to repay affliction to those who afflict you, and to give relief to you who are afflicted with us when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with his mighty angels in flaming fire, punishing those who don’t know God, and to those who don’t obey the Good News of our Lord Jesus, who will pay the penalty: eternal destruction from the face of the Lord and from the glory of his might, when he comes in that day to be glorified in his saints and to be admired amongst all those who have believed, because our testimony to you was believed. To this end we also pray always for you that our God may count you worthy of your calling, and fulfil every desire of goodness and work of faith with power, that the name of our Lord Jesus may be glorified in you, and you in him, according to the grace of our God and the Lord Jesus Christ. (2 Thessalonians 1:5-12 WEBPB)

He who overcomes, I will give him these things. I will be his God, and he will be my son. But for the cowardly, unbelieving, sinners, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their part is in the lake that burns with fire and sulphur, which is the second death.” (Revelation 21:7-8 WEBPB)

[TheWay]

No. He didn't say that. He said:
"Do you think that God
would be able to leave a man like him far from Him? Do you think that?
...
Does God abandon His children?
No! "
He did not say that the dad was in heaven. Whoever put that title on the video was misrepresenting.

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Now as for when you threw the book at me:
I found myself not able to respond adequately so I read an article written by a French pastor of your own faith. He pointed something out.

“For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.… Whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.” see Matthew 25:31-46

 According to what is written that's the judgment that will take place upon his return. The Sabbath or Sunday is not mentioned as a criteria.

To know and love God is to obey.

Let’s fear therefore, lest perhaps anyone of you should seem to have come short of a promise of entering into his rest. For indeed we have had good news preached to us, even as they also did, but the word they heard didn’t profit them, because it wasn’t mixed with faith by those who heard. For we who have believed do enter into that rest, even as he has said, “As I swore in my wrath, they will not enter into my rest;” although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. For he has said this somewhere about the seventh day, “God rested on the seventh day from all his works;” and in this place again, “They will not enter into my rest.” Seeing therefore it remains that some should enter into it, and they to whom the good news was preached before failed to enter in because of disobedience, he again defines a certain day, “today”, saying through David so long a time afterward (just as has been said), “Today if you will hear his voice, don’t harden your hearts.” For if Joshua had given them rest, he would not have spoken afterward of another day. There remains therefore a Sabbath rest for the people of God. For he who has entered into his rest has himself also rested from his works, as God did from his. Let’s therefore give diligence to enter into that rest, lest anyone fall after the same example of disobedience. For the word of God is living and active, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the dividing of soul and spirit, of both joints and marrow, and is able to discern the thoughts and intentions of the heart. There is no creature that is hidden from his sight, but all things are naked and laid open before the eyes of him to whom we must give an account. (Hebrews 4:1-13 WEBPB)

This is how we know that we know him: if we keep his commandments. One who says, “I know him,” and doesn’t keep his commandments, is a liar, and the truth isn’t in him. But God’s love has most certainly been perfected in whoever keeps his word. This is how we know that we are in him: he who says he remains in him ought himself also to walk just like he walked. (1 John 2:3-6 WEBPB)

This is the end of the matter. All has been heard. Fear God and keep his commandments; for this is the whole duty of man. For God will bring every work into judgement, with every hidden thing, whether it is good, or whether it is evil. (Ecclesiastes 12:13-14 WEBPB)

“Don’t think that I came to destroy the law or the prophets. I didn’t come to destroy, but to fulfil. For most certainly, I tell you, until heaven and earth pass away, not even one smallest letter or one tiny pen stroke shall in any way pass away from the law, until all things are accomplished. Therefore, whoever shall break one of these least commandments and teach others to do so, shall be called least in the Kingdom of Heaven; but whoever shall do and teach them shall be called great in the Kingdom of Heaven. For I tell you that unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, there is no way you will enter into the Kingdom of Heaven. (Matthew 5:17-20 WEBPB)

If you love me, keep my commandments. I will pray to the Father, and he will give you another Counsellor, that he may be with you forever: the Spirit of truth, whom the world can’t receive, for it doesn’t see him and doesn’t know him. You know him, for he lives with you and will be in you. I will not leave you orphans. I will come to you. (John 14:15-18 WEBPB)

What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? May it never be! Don’t you know that when you present yourselves as servants and obey someone, you are the servants of whomever you obey, whether of sin to death, or of obedience to righteousness? (Romans 6:15-16 WEBPB)

Another angel, a third, followed them, saying with a great voice, “If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand, he also will drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is prepared unmixed in the cup of his anger. He will be tormented with fire and sulphur in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. The smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever. They have no rest day and night, those who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name. Here is the perseverance of the saints, those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.” (Revelation 14:9-12 WEBPB)

Whoever believes that Jesus is the Christ has been born of God. Whoever loves the Father also loves the child who is born of him. By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and keep his commandments. For this is loving God, that we keep his commandments. His commandments are not grievous. For whatever is born of God overcomes the world. This is the victory that has overcome the world: your faith. Who is he who overcomes the world, but he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God? (1 John 5:1-5 WEBPB)

One who has my commandments and keeps them, that person is one who loves me. One who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I will love him, and will reveal myself to him.” (John 14:21 WEBPB)

Even as the Father has loved me, I also have loved you. Remain in my love. If you keep my commandments, you will remain in my love, even as I have kept my Father’s commandments and remain in his love. I have spoken these things to you, that my joy may remain in you, and that your joy may be made full. “This is my commandment, that you love one another, even as I have loved you. Greater love has no one than this, that someone lay down his life for his friends. You are my friends if you do whatever I command you. (John 15:9-14 WEBPB)

And by this we know that we are of the truth and persuade our hearts before him, because if our heart condemns us, God is greater than our heart, and knows all things. Beloved, if our hearts don’t condemn us, we have boldness towards God; so whatever we ask, we receive from him, because we keep his commandments and do the things that are pleasing in his sight. This is his commandment, that we should believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and love one another, even as he commanded. He who keeps his commandments remains in him, and he in him. By this we know that he remains in us, by the Spirit which he gave us. (1 John 3:19-24 WEBPB)

The dragon grew angry with the woman, and went away to make war with the rest of her offspring, who keep God’s commandments and hold Jesus’ testimony. (Revelation 12:17 WEBPB)

Blessed are those who do his commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter in by the gates into the city. Outside are the dogs, the sorcerers, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters, and everyone who loves and practices falsehood. (Revelation 22:14-15 WEBPB)

The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom. All those who do his work have a good understanding. His praise endures forever! (Psalms 111:10 WEBPB)

But Peter and the apostles answered, “We must obey God rather than men. The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom you killed, hanging him on a tree. God exalted him with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, to give repentance to Israel, and remission of sins. We are his witnesses of these things; and so also is the Holy Spirit, whom God has given to those who obey him.” (Acts 5:29-32 WEBPB)

Praise the LORD! Blessed is the man who fears the LORD, who delights greatly in his commandments. His offspring will be mighty in the land. The generation of the upright will be blessed. Wealth and riches are in his house. His righteousness endures forever. (Psalms 112:1-3 WEBPB)

He, in the days of his flesh, having offered up prayers and petitions with strong crying and tears to him who was able to save him from death, and having been heard for his godly fear, though he was a Son, yet learnt obedience by the things which he suffered. Having been made perfect, he became to all of those who obey him the author of eternal salvation, named by God a high priest after the order of Melchizedek. (Hebrews 5:7-10 WEBPB)

More notable scripture which speaks about this:
Matthew 5:17-48; 7:22-27; Hebrews 6:4-6; 10:26-31; Romans 2:5-13; 13:8-10; James 1:21-27; Psalms 1:1-6; 19:7-14; 103:8-18.

[TheWay]

Jesus, Sinead, and you know what Satan speaking sounds like? Even with that return to the Catholic hating hamster wheel? 

Yes... THE VATICAN IS THE DEVIL!

And Foosball is the devil! 

But I can help but seeing the Tao of Satan speak when someone turns:

"Pope Francis consoles a boy who asked if his non-believing Father is in heaven."

Into an example of evil after he gives the boy a hug and  speaks of forgiveness.

Are you serious? 

Like, what do you want him to say? Is the proper evangelical Pope telling the poor boy (who lost his father) to fuck off and saying, "You're daddy's in hell now for being a wicked non-believer, bitch!"

That was absolutely beautiful... unless you're of a Church of religious zealots that should probably stop preaching on what's godly or satanic. At least until they through a stone at their own behavior first. 

It's such an inspiration for the ways I will never ever choose to be.

The loving thing to do is to tell the boy the truth. The truth is, that we do not know what happened in his fathers last moments, or what his fate will be for certain. But what we do know is that no unbeliever, no matter how "good" someone describes them to be, will inherit the kingdom of God. All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. Our only hope is in Christ Jesus.

As it is wrtten, "The Father loves the Son, and has given all things into his hand. One who believes in the Son has eternal life, but one who disobeys the Son won’t see life, but the wrath of God remains on him." (John 3:35-36)

[TheWay]

Naw, in this case Claude AI is playing Eris... or at least subtly telling me to shut up. Two-sides point acknowledged. 

But i cant help it when secular interpretations of divinity are turned into the head of a needle to pierce with a very narrow thread of applicability.

You dont get to say the 90% of the people on earth who don't believe in the Red Word Version you do are of Satan, simply because its not your narrow interpretation.

I feel the impulse to call that out, because It's a millenia old behavior than needs to be rolled into the soil by compassion, as ironic as that sounds to say like this. 

We need the set-up for a bar joke.  We need a Pope, a Grand Mufti, a high ranking Rabbi, and the Dali Lama to walk into a sanctuary.  We need more of all world religious leaders to keep coming together in name of secularism to declare all a path to god, in whatever form it may take, under the global ideals of togetherness. 

Even superficial photo op versions are beneficial because they spread the secular meme.

The Catholic Church didnt used to do that, they use to just kill you, so it's definitely the change i want to see that they no longer burn you for heresy.  

And when that is considered "of Satan..." If religious leaders coming together to embrace what they share rather than disagree with, is evil, then Hail the Apostate Church of The Devil.

But not really... I really just see the divine arrow of the naturally occurring god in these bemoaned secular ideals.

See how great a love the Father has given to us, that we should be called children of God! For this cause the world doesn’t know us, because it didn’t know him. Beloved, now we are children of God. It is not yet revealed what we will be; but we know that when he is revealed, we will be like him, for we will see him just as he is. Everyone who has this hope set on him purifies himself, even as he is pure. Everyone who sins also commits lawlessness. Sin is lawlessness. You know that he was revealed to take away our sins, and no sin is in him. Whoever remains in him doesn’t sin. Whoever sins hasn’t seen him and doesn’t know him. Little children, let no one lead you astray. He who does righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has been sinning from the beginning. To this end the Son of God was revealed: that he might destroy the works of the devil. Whoever is born of God doesn’t commit sin, because his seed remains in him, and he can’t sin, because he is born of God. In this the children of God are revealed, and the children of the devil. Whoever doesn’t do righteousness is not of God, neither is he who doesn’t love his brother. (1 John 3:1-10 WEBPB)

Yes, burned for heresy... some estimate that more than 500 million Christians were martyred by the Roman Catholic Church during the dark ages of 538-1798 AD. 

And on her forehead a name was written, “MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF THE PROSTITUTES AND OF THE ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.” I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus. When I saw her, I wondered with great amazement. ... Here is the mind that has wisdom. The seven heads are seven hills on which the woman sits. ... The woman whom you saw is the great city which reigns over the kings of the earth.” (Revelation 17:5-6, 9, 18)