The CDC changed something...

[rickymouse]

I will say anything entering the body can potentially affect it.  Both before and after birth.

That's just logical.

Did some who received the polio vaccine get polio?  Yes.  But how many were saved?

What is the overall consensus of researchers and doctors?

Did you ever read about what happened with the original polio vaccine?  Back when it was first discovered and produced and tested it had really good results and was pretty safe.  So they released the vaccine and when other companies started producing the vaccine, they skipped or changed a single process in the manufacturing and it caused the vaccine to kill a lot of people initially.  That was in England or Europe that it happened.  They figured out what had happened, and then they started manufacturing it properly.  It was more expensive to produce correctly, but way safer.  The polio vaccine initially had a bad reputation for a while because of that initial manufacturing problem.  But eventually it did save many lives.

Polio was one of the diseases where a vaccine was probably necessary, chicken pox was not....I got chicken pox from other kids while playing with them, some even had chicken pox parties...although I never went to one I heard about them.  With ninety five percent of the kids in our area having chicken pox, I never heard about one kid having  serious problems with it, and back in the sixties, women with phones were faster than facebook at spreading info.

I know people who had kids with the vaccine, and the kids still got chicken pox....that was about fifteen to twenty years ago, and two of those kids were my grandkids.  I cannot take the flu shot because it causes a cytokine or bradykin storm...witnessed by both doctors who gave me the shot over the years.  But the flu shot does work well for lots of people.  I never get much of a problem from the flu anyway, it lasts a couple of days, and I never missed work from the flu.  But I missed a whole week of work the second time I tried the flu shot, well actually only four days....because I was only working four days that week.  The first time I only missed two days of work.  I eat lots of eggs, no problem with eggs at all.  I also have problems with the whooping cough part of the DTAP.  Symptoms match whooping cough and I had that many years ago and have good immunity if not on beta blocking meds


But my reactions are rare supposedly, most people can take vaccines.  I am not interested in taking them myself, except of course the tetnus shot when I cut myself.  They say that the tetnus shot lasts ten years here, yet in Europe where they actually tested the life of the immunity they stated it lasts over thirty years and it kept it's effectiveness that long.  So, since I probably had ten tetnus shots during my lifetime...being a carpenter and working in a fountry andd working on a farm....

I say let people make their own choice if they want vaccines...and parents have the right to choose for their kids.  We need to find out what causes autism...it may be genetic, but it is triggered to express itself mostly bty environmental factors...that is already known.  It could be triggered by a vaccine, food additives, or almost any environmental factor which has not been evaluated.  The triggering of it makes the autism worse, not many people would have it accelerate if it was not triggered to get worse.  They need to investigate it with open minds, not with minds that focus on the genetic factor....find and get rid of any chemical that makes it worse or at least identify the problematic chemistry and warn people about it instead of denying any relationship just because there is no accepted evidence....and when I say accepted it means the people at the FDA need to accept it before it is accepted...and if they don't want to accept it because it ruins their relationship with future employers it is not real because of bias....not science

[ANNEE]

Did you ever read about what happened with the original polio vaccine?  

My mother was a victim of the 51/52 polio epidemic.  Paralyzed from the waist down.  She welcomed the polio vaccine.  She was adamant we get it.

She arranged for the principal of our grade school to administer it to us first before anyone else.  Ours was the sugar cube. 

How things went from there I have not researched.  But I will take it from a polio victim how important it is to take the vaccine.

[ANNEE]

I say let people make their own choice if they want vaccines...

There are many vulnerable children who could die from exposure to a non-vaxed child who is infected.

[DBCowboy]

There are many vulnerable children who could die from exposure to a non-vaxed child who is infected.

How?

If they're vaccinated?

[rickymouse]

There are many vulnerable children who could die from exposure to a non-vaxed child who is infected.

I agree, but very few kids ever died or had lasting problems from the chicken pox.  If a kid has a poor immune system, the vaccine will not protect them anyway, because vaccines actually work by stimulating the immune system to create a defense.  Giving kids so many vaccines in America is not good either, it is not that way in other countries, including almost all of Europe.

[ANNEE]

I agree, but very few kids ever died or had lasting problems from the chicken pox.  If a kid has a poor immune system, the vaccine will not protect them anyway, because vaccines actually work by stimulating the immune system to create a defense.  Giving kids so many vaccines in America is not good either, it is not that way in other countries, including almost all of Europe.

I had Chicken Pox at 10 days old. Maybe that's what's wrong with me 

I had Rubella about age 10.  That was a pain.  They kept me in a dark room and wouldn't let me out of bed.

I support science.  I support vaccines.  Are there going to be mishaps and human error? -- there always is -- no matter what the subject is.

There will always be viruses -- they replicate and mutate.  I say be as healthy and protected as possible.

Hive mentality is archaic.

[quintessentone]

I agree, but very few kids ever died or had lasting problems from the chicken pox.  If a kid has a poor immune system, the vaccine will not protect them anyway, because vaccines actually work by stimulating the immune system to create a defense.  Giving kids so many vaccines in America is not good either, it is not that way in other countries, including almost all of Europe.

I had the chicken pox and supposedly it wasn't severe enough to make my immune system be able to prevent shingles later in life. My mother is a prime example of having a mild case of chicken pox then shingles later in life. My health care provider has informed me that because of my age now getting a shingles vaccination in a few months is recommended and I'll get it for sure after hearing my mother describe the horrors of getting shingles.

[DBCowboy]

Everyone is different.

There is no "one size fits all" approach to vaccines or even medical treatment.

That's why everyone should be free to make their own decisions.

[Maxmars]

I had the chicken pox and supposedly it wasn't severe enough to make my immune system be able to prevent shingles later in life. My mother is a prime example of having a mild case of chicken pox then shingles later in life. My health care provider has informed me that because of my age now getting a shingles vaccination in a few months is recommended and I'll get it for sure after hearing my mother describe the horrors of getting shingles.

Listen to your Mom.


 - sage advice.

[rickymouse]

I had the chicken pox and supposedly it wasn't severe enough to make my immune system be able to prevent shingles later in life. My mother is a prime example of having a mild case of chicken pox then shingles later in life. My health care provider has informed me that because of my age now getting a shingles vaccination in a few months is recommended and I'll get it for sure after hearing my mother describe the horrors of getting shingles.

I remember the days when shingles used to be rare.  I knew only one person who had them, that was back in late seventy nine.  Something is causing our immune system to weaken, and trying to figure out what is doing that with so many medications people are taking and so many chemicals added to foods that also effects immunity in multiple ways, even the people who are experts in the field are having problems trying to figure it out.  Our immune system should be keeping the chicken pox virus we have in our bodies at bay, but I personally know half a dozen people who have had problems with shingles within the last three or four years. 

My daughter just had her gall bladder removed, she is around forty.  A week after she got out of the hospital...she got shingles.  I guess it is kind of common for people who have operations to have shingles temporarily now for some reason.  Her rash was diagnosed and she had some sort of test done showing most likely shingles.  It is gone now, the doctor told her that if a person undergoes a lot of healing, it steers the immune system to put more effort into healing, and it lessens the virus fighting effect.

Now, that may have been the case all along for something like that, it makes sense actually.  Just because I did not know of it...does not mean it does not exist.  I learned a lot of what I know from talking to doctors and professionals in the medical trade over the years, asking questions and evaluating what they said to me.  I all of a sudden got in a position where I could not work anymore because of my epilepsy, so decided I would research what all those professionals had told me plus took like twenty six medical classes and read tons...like two hundred thousand research articles, summaries of research articles, and lots of plant chemistry articles to find out how to hack the method of action of pharmaceudicals and to identify how to prepare food chemistries to make medicines.  I am not researching so much how to cure diseases, I concentrate on using small amounts of the same methods of action of medicines to prevent disease....and also spent a lot of time researching what parts of plants have what chemicals and what the variance in the location does to the other chemistries formed.  Like going from eugenol in the root to a combination of eugenol and apigenin in the stems then going to mostly apigenin in the leaves of celery.  And how to turn eugenol into apigenin in the soup pot.  Boiling the celery for a long time breaks it down into another chemical kaempferol if I remember correctly.  all three of these chemicals have anticancer effects, but the Eugenol is not really as good as apigenin or kaempferol for fighting things because it is doping and actually screws up signaling in the immune system. 

If the Eugenol is potent, like in celerian root, all the Eugenol is not converted...doping effect to the mind and immune system.  Celery salt is usually made from celarian root and lower stems...not the same as upper stems and definitely not as good as the leaves of celery for fighting disease.  Dried parsley flakes would be the best source of apigenin...I buy organic parsley flakes by the pound, and that big bag lasts a year even with me supplying my two daughters with around an eighth pound each.  But I deliver them soups when they are sick or just because I make a huge pot of soup of some kind every week.  Not only is my soup used to keep my epilepsy at bay, it is also antiviral and anticancer the way I make it.  But the antiviral and anticancer I am not focusing on, it is to treat my epilepsy, treatment of those is just a side effect.

So, if you want to dope your immune system to not react so much, maybe keeping eugenol high might be a good idea.  I don't like Eugenol myself, found out how it screws up the lungs ability from smoking clove leaf cigarettes the daughter brought back from India when she was there studying Yoga with the monks in a monistary years ago.  I guess sometimes you learn things the hard way, good thing when I got undoped I researched why I had those problems with the clove cigarettes...I learned to avoid high Eugenol foods, like anything with celery salt or powder, or cloves in food.  It cut my lung issues with hard taking in oxygen down to almost nothing now....no cloves stuck in the ham and now the wife doesn't put cloves in any dishes.   I also do not like Cumin.....but that might just be because I do not like Cumin.  A little in Chili is ok, half of what a recipe calls for, but it doesn't sit right with me to have too much in it.  We buy ketchup without cloves in it....I actually can easily taste clove chemistry and now avoid it.  I do not need to worry about doping myself up to fit in with other people, I just don't care what they think anymore.  I actually have good conversations with people who know lots about food chemistry and medicines in person, but learned long ago to convert what I know into layman terms so I do not intimidate them with complex chemistries they know nothing about.  Going over people's head usually leads to them saying they have to go and they say see you around if you go over their head too much with scientific terms and chemistries.

So, the way I talk to locals I have known for years is totally different than how I talk to professionals or people on this and other sites.  I do know someone who has their own site, but she is the wife's friend, and she is a nutritionist, and I don't post on there often, because I do not want to correct her when she is interpretting evidence incorrectly to other professionals on the site.  Same goes for the others on the site, they are not completely correct on their statements.  So I do private message my wife's friend and inform her of the little errors she made showing her links to proper interpretation, she then researches them and corrects her interpretation in another post.  Now she is stuck on pomagranet peel chemistry, she seems to think of it as a pancea of medicine, and it does have some good proprties, but it is no pancea.  Just like MJ is not a pancea of medicine...that also has some good properties in medicine, but people tend to believe it is more than it is.

Ok, what happened to me only doing a few paragraphs....I must have alzheimer disease since I keep forgetting I said that.  I got to start talking to you guys like I talk to my friends in person here, but I hate witholding information that might help you in the future.  Always research what I say, do not trust anyone's interpretation without figuring if it will apply to you.  I do not have your genetics, I cannot test for you, I can only test on myself.