The CDC changed something...

[quintessentone]

I remember the days when shingles used to be rare.  I knew only one person who had them, that was back in late seventy nine.  Something is causing our immune system to weaken, and trying to figure out what is doing that with so many medications people are taking and so many chemicals added to foods that also effects immunity in multiple ways, even the people who are experts in the field are having problems trying to figure it out.  Our immune system should be keeping the chicken pox virus we have in our bodies at bay, but I personally know half a dozen people who have had problems with shingles within the last three or four years. 

As I've aged my immune system is doing strange things, so I don't want to take any chances getting shingles so I'll get the vax . It could very well be other factors involved there too, like us being poisoned by everything out there under the sun.

My daughter just had her gall bladder removed, she is around forty.  A week after she got out of the hospital...she got shingles.  I guess it is kind of common for people who have operations to have shingles temporarily now for some reason.  Her rash was diagnosed and she had some sort of test done showing most likely shingles.  It is gone now, the doctor told her that if a person undergoes a lot of healing, it steers the immune system to put more effort into healing, and it lessens the virus fighting effect.

Yes, I read that same thing about a case of where the man was told he had a disease and they could not help him, so he started doing long cold baths where supposedly the body had to work extra hard on keeping his core warm - so concentrated healing energies working on a smaller area. Anyway it worked and he got better.

Now, that may have been the case all along for something like that, it makes sense actually.  Just because I did not know of it...does not mean it does not exist.  I learned a lot of what I know from talking to doctors and professionals in the medical trade over the years, asking questions and evaluating what they said to me.  I all of a sudden got in a position where I could not work anymore because of my epilepsy, so decided I would research what all those professionals had told me plus took like twenty six medical classes and read tons...like two hundred thousand research articles, summaries of research articles, and lots of plant chemistry articles to find out how to hack the method of action of pharmaceudicals and to identify how to prepare food chemistries to make medicines.  I am not researching so much how to cure diseases, I concentrate on using small amounts of the same methods of action of medicines to prevent disease....and also spent a lot of time researching what parts of plants have what chemicals and what the variance in the location does to the other chemistries formed.  Like going from eugenol in the root to a combination of eugenol and apigenin in the stems then going to mostly apigenin in the leaves of celery.  And how to turn eugenol into apigenin in the soup pot.  Boiling the celery for a long time breaks it down into another chemical kaempferol if I remember correctly.  all three of these chemicals have anticancer effects, but the Eugenol is not really as good as apigenin or kaempferol for fighting things because it is doping and actually screws up signaling in the immune system. 

If the Eugenol is potent, like in celerian root, all the Eugenol is not converted...doping effect to the mind and immune system.  Celery salt is usually made from celarian root and lower stems...not the same as upper stems and definitely not as good as the leaves of celery for fighting disease.  Dried parsley flakes would be the best source of apigenin...I buy organic parsley flakes by the pound, and that big bag lasts a year even with me supplying my two daughters with around an eighth pound each.  But I deliver them soups when they are sick or just because I make a huge pot of soup of some kind every week.  Not only is my soup used to keep my epilepsy at bay, it is also antiviral and anticancer the way I make it.  But the antiviral and anticancer I am not focusing on, it is to treat my epilepsy, treatment of those is just a side effect.

So, if you want to dope your immune system to not react so much, maybe keeping eugenol high might be a good idea.  I don't like Eugenol myself, found out how it screws up the lungs ability from smoking clove leaf cigarettes the daughter brought back from India when she was there studying Yoga with the monks in a monistary years ago.  I guess sometimes you learn things the hard way, good thing when I got undoped I researched why I had those problems with the clove cigarettes...I learned to avoid high Eugenol foods, like anything with celery salt or powder, or cloves in food.  It cut my lung issues with hard taking in oxygen down to almost nothing now....no cloves stuck in the ham and now the wife doesn't put cloves in any dishes.   I also do not like Cumin.....but that might just be because I do not like Cumin.  A little in Chili is ok, half of what a recipe calls for, but it doesn't sit right with me to have too much in it.  We buy ketchup without cloves in it....I actually can easily taste clove chemistry and now avoid it.  I do not need to worry about doping myself up to fit in with other people, I just don't care what they think anymore.  I actually have good conversations with people who know lots about food chemistry and medicines in person, but learned long ago to convert what I know into layman terms so I do not intimidate them with complex chemistries they know nothing about.  Going over people's head usually leads to them saying they have to go and they say see you around if you go over their head too much with scientific terms and chemistries.

Right now I'm experimenting with adding cloves, turmeric, parsley leaves, oregano leaves, thyme leaves, honey, lemon, green tea, chamomile tea, blueberry tea, thistle flowers and other various types of teas - switched up to help with my internal respiratory infection. I've had it a week now and it was really bad, but it seems to be getting better. I'll continue the concoctions for another week and if it fails, then off to get antibiotics I go.

I know what you mean about speaking about the compounds and effects of healing foods/herbs/spices/supplements to the medical people as they just don't seem to want to go there. On my medical file they have a sticker reading 'Pro-active Patient', so they can expect that sort of thing from me as I am an advocate for my own health and I ask way too many questions. But they know to make the appointments extra long. Whenever I say I read this on the internet, my health care provider rolls her eyes and tells me don't believe everything you read on the internet.

So, the way I talk to locals I have known for years is totally different than how I talk to professionals or people on this and other sites.  I do know someone who has their own site, but she is the wife's friend, and she is a nutritionist, and I don't post on there often, because I do not want to correct her when she is interpretting evidence incorrectly to other professionals on the site.  Same goes for the others on the site, they are not completely correct on their statements.  So I do private message my wife's friend and inform her of the little errors she made showing her links to proper interpretation, she then researches them and corrects her interpretation in another post.  Now she is stuck on pomagranet peel chemistry, she seems to think of it as a pancea of medicine, and it does have some good proprties, but it is no pancea.  Just like MJ is not a pancea of medicine...that also has some good properties in medicine, but people tend to believe it is more than it is.

I was considering buying pomegranets again as I used to eat them frequently as a child but tapered off as an adult and was just watching a youtube video as to how to cut them and knock out the seeds. Anyway, their health benefits have been extoled non-stop every since I can remember. I think they both have their specific properties for specific uses.

Ok, what happened to me only doing a few paragraphs....I must have alzheimer disease since I keep forgetting I said that.  I got to start talking to you guys like I talk to my friends in person here, but I hate witholding information that might help you in the future.  Always research what I say, do not trust anyone's interpretation without figuring if it will apply to you.  I do not have your genetics, I cannot test for you, I can only test on myself.

Thanks for sharing as you and I are the same age and we both seem to have been experimenting and learning about the compounds within food and plants over our lifetimes. I know we are all different chemically so that is why I experiment on myself and nobody else, well maybe my partner if I know they need an extra nutritional boost with a soup that has everything in it. Or make my daughter homemade chicken noodle soup when she gets the flu as I still believe there is something in there that works to eliminate the virus, anyway it can't hurt.

[chr0naut]

I remember the days when shingles used to be rare.  I knew only one person who had them, that was back in late seventy nine.  Something is causing our immune system to weaken, and trying to figure out what is doing that with so many medications people are taking and so many chemicals added to foods that also effects immunity in multiple ways, even the people who are experts in the field are having problems trying to figure it out.  Our immune system should be keeping the chicken pox virus we have in our bodies at bay, but I personally know half a dozen people who have had problems with shingles within the last three or four years. 

My daughter just had her gall bladder removed, she is around forty.  A week after she got out of the hospital...she got shingles.  I guess it is kind of common for people who have operations to have shingles temporarily now for some reason.  Her rash was diagnosed and she had some sort of test done showing most likely shingles.  It is gone now, the doctor told her that if a person undergoes a lot of healing, it steers the immune system to put more effort into healing, and it lessens the virus fighting effect.

Now, that may have been the case all along for something like that, it makes sense actually.  Just because I did not know of it...does not mean it does not exist.  I learned a lot of what I know from talking to doctors and professionals in the medical trade over the years, asking questions and evaluating what they said to me.  I all of a sudden got in a position where I could not work anymore because of my epilepsy, so decided I would research what all those professionals had told me plus took like twenty six medical classes and read tons...like two hundred thousand research articles, summaries of research articles, and lots of plant chemistry articles to find out how to hack the method of action of pharmaceudicals and to identify how to prepare food chemistries to make medicines.  I am not researching so much how to cure diseases, I concentrate on using small amounts of the same methods of action of medicines to prevent disease....and also spent a lot of time researching what parts of plants have what chemicals and what the variance in the location does to the other chemistries formed.  Like going from eugenol in the root to a combination of eugenol and apigenin in the stems then going to mostly apigenin in the leaves of celery.  And how to turn eugenol into apigenin in the soup pot.  Boiling the celery for a long time breaks it down into another chemical kaempferol if I remember correctly.  all three of these chemicals have anticancer effects, but the Eugenol is not really as good as apigenin or kaempferol for fighting things because it is doping and actually screws up signaling in the immune system. 

If the Eugenol is potent, like in celerian root, all the Eugenol is not converted...doping effect to the mind and immune system.  Celery salt is usually made from celarian root and lower stems...not the same as upper stems and definitely not as good as the leaves of celery for fighting disease.  Dried parsley flakes would be the best source of apigenin...I buy organic parsley flakes by the pound, and that big bag lasts a year even with me supplying my two daughters with around an eighth pound each.  But I deliver them soups when they are sick or just because I make a huge pot of soup of some kind every week.  Not only is my soup used to keep my epilepsy at bay, it is also antiviral and anticancer the way I make it.  But the antiviral and anticancer I am not focusing on, it is to treat my epilepsy, treatment of those is just a side effect.

So, if you want to dope your immune system to not react so much, maybe keeping eugenol high might be a good idea.  I don't like Eugenol myself, found out how it screws up the lungs ability from smoking clove leaf cigarettes the daughter brought back from India when she was there studying Yoga with the monks in a monistary years ago.  I guess sometimes you learn things the hard way, good thing when I got undoped I researched why I had those problems with the clove cigarettes...I learned to avoid high Eugenol foods, like anything with celery salt or powder, or cloves in food.  It cut my lung issues with hard taking in oxygen down to almost nothing now....no cloves stuck in the ham and now the wife doesn't put cloves in any dishes.   I also do not like Cumin.....but that might just be because I do not like Cumin.  A little in Chili is ok, half of what a recipe calls for, but it doesn't sit right with me to have too much in it.  We buy ketchup without cloves in it....I actually can easily taste clove chemistry and now avoid it.  I do not need to worry about doping myself up to fit in with other people, I just don't care what they think anymore.  I actually have good conversations with people who know lots about food chemistry and medicines in person, but learned long ago to convert what I know into layman terms so I do not intimidate them with complex chemistries they know nothing about.  Going over people's head usually leads to them saying they have to go and they say see you around if you go over their head too much with scientific terms and chemistries.

So, the way I talk to locals I have known for years is totally different than how I talk to professionals or people on this and other sites.  I do know someone who has their own site, but she is the wife's friend, and she is a nutritionist, and I don't post on there often, because I do not want to correct her when she is interpretting evidence incorrectly to other professionals on the site.  Same goes for the others on the site, they are not completely correct on their statements.  So I do private message my wife's friend and inform her of the little errors she made showing her links to proper interpretation, she then researches them and corrects her interpretation in another post.  Now she is stuck on pomagranet peel chemistry, she seems to think of it as a pancea of medicine, and it does have some good proprties, but it is no pancea.  Just like MJ is not a pancea of medicine...that also has some good properties in medicine, but people tend to believe it is more than it is.

Ok, what happened to me only doing a few paragraphs....I must have alzheimer disease since I keep forgetting I said that.  I got to start talking to you guys like I talk to my friends in person here, but I hate witholding information that might help you in the future.  Always research what I say, do not trust anyone's interpretation without figuring if it will apply to you.  I do not have your genetics, I cannot test for you, I can only test on myself.

Wow, you must be ancient if you remember the days when shingles used to be rare.

It has been a common complaint for about 2,400 years, although with the lower lifespans up until the last two Centuries, there were probably fewer cases (as it is most prevalent after the age of 60, yet 200 years ago, 35 years old was an average lifespan).

Shingles was first identified and named (herpes zoster) by Aulus Cornelius Celsus back when the calendar changed from BC to AD (also called the first Century), although skin lesions that seemed to 'creep' were described by Hippocrates (the 'father' of medicine), 400 years before that.

The skin rash often arises around the lower abdomen, hence the name zoster, which means 'belt' or 'girdle'.

The more modern name 'shingles' comes from the Medieval Latin cingulus, a variant of cingulum, also meaning "girdle".

Back in the day, the only medical relief from shingles were soothing lotions and salves, although, because of the nerve pain associated with shingles, no doubt various painkillers were tried, which probably didn't help much in the long term.

Although, I am sure that amputation of the infected areas stopped any shingles symptoms dead.

[quintessentone]

Wow, you must be ancient if you remember the days when shingles used to be rare.

It has been a common complaint for about 2,400 years, although with the lower lifespans up until the last two Centuries, there were probably fewer cases (as it is most prevalent after the age of 60, yet 200 years ago, 35 years old was an average lifespan).

Shingles was first identified and named (herpes zoster) by Aulus Cornelius Celsus back when the calendar changed from BC to AD (also called the first Century), although skin lesions that seemed to 'creep' were described by Hippocrates (the 'father' of medicine), 400 years before that.

The skin rash often arises around the lower abdomen, hence the name zoster, which means 'belt' or 'girdle'.

The more modern name 'shingles' comes from the Medieval Latin cingulus, a variant of cingulum, also meaning "girdle".

Back in the day, the only medical relief from shingles were soothing lotions and salves, although, because of the nerve pain associated with shingles, no doubt various painkillers were tried, which probably didn't help much in the long term.

Although, I am sure that amputation of the infected areas stopped any shingles symptoms dead.

The CDC, back in 2024, noted an increase and explained they did not know why. AI explained why. And I posted an actual study explaining why.

"Steadily increasing over the decadesIncidence Of Herpes Zoster Appears To Have Increased From 1994 To 2018The incidence of herpes zoster (shingles) has been steadily increasing over the decades, despite the approval of shingles vaccines in 2006 and 2017. This increase in incidence rates has been observed across all age groups, with the highest rates occurring in older adults and those with weakened immune systems. The rise in shingles cases is attributed to several factors, including the natural decline of immunity with age and the potential emergence of wild-type alleles. The increase in shingles cases is a significant public health concern, necessitating ongoing vaccination efforts and awareness campaigns to reduce the impact of this preventable disease"

Shingles Facts and Stats | Shingles (Herpes Zoster) | CDC

Increasing Incidence of Herpes Zoster Over a 60-year Period From a Population-based Study - PMC

[chr0naut]

The CDC, back in 2024, noted an increase and explained they did not know why. AI explained why. And I posted an actual study explaining why.

"Steadily increasing over the decadesIncidence Of Herpes Zoster Appears To Have Increased From 1994 To 2018The incidence of herpes zoster (shingles) has been steadily increasing over the decades, despite the approval of shingles vaccines in 2006 and 2017. This increase in incidence rates has been observed across all age groups, with the highest rates occurring in older adults and those with weakened immune systems. The rise in shingles cases is attributed to several factors, including the natural decline of immunity with age and the potential emergence of wild-type alleles. The increase in shingles cases is a significant public health concern, necessitating ongoing vaccination efforts and awareness campaigns to reduce the impact of this preventable disease"

Shingles Facts and Stats | Shingles (Herpes Zoster) | CDC

Increasing Incidence of Herpes Zoster Over a 60-year Period From a Population-based Study - PMC

So population was growing, and, because births were decreasing, the overall trend of the population was aging. As age increases, so does the severity and incidence of shingles.

Also, did you see the cost of those shingles vaccines back then? Ouch, that hurts!

But here is the CDC's stats: Shingles Facts and Stats

The CDC's stats are based upon numerous data sources and paint the opposite picture of trends, to that lone study, which was based only on data from Olmsted County, Minnesota from 1945-1960 and 1980-2007 (and why the 20 year gap in the middle? And why only data up to 2007 for a paper submitted in 2016? Could someone have been cherry-picking data to try and grab headlines to support their anti-ShinglesVax agenda? (Bueller...? Anyone...? Anyone...?).

Also, the lead author Kosuke Kawai, an Otolyaryngologist, has 4019 papers credited to his name. That's a lot - for a youngish looking bloke.

[quintessentone]

So population was growing, and, because births were decreasing, the overall trend of the population was aging. As age increases, so does the severity and incidence of shingles.

Also, did you see the cost of those shingles vaccines back then? Ouch, that hurts!

But here is the CDC's stats: Shingles Facts and Stats

The CDC's stats are based upon numerous data sources and paint the opposite picture of trends, to that lone study, which was based only on data from Olmsted County, Minnesota from 1945-1960 and 1980-2007 (and why the 20 year gap in the middle? And why only data up to 2007 for a paper submitted in 2016? Could someone have been cherry-picking data to try and grab headlines to support their anti-ShinglesVax agenda? (Bueller...? Anyone...? Anyone...?).

Also, the lead author Kosuke Kawai, an Otolyaryngologist, has 4019 papers credited to his name. That's a lot - for a youngish looking bloke.

If you look at the citations below, there is also mention of increases due to autoimmune disease, globalization, and an increase of shingles with veterans.

[DBCowboy]

If you look at the citations below, there is also mention of increases due to autoimmune disease, globalization, and an increase of shingles with veterans.

The autoimmune increase is also due to Gulf War Syndrome.

I work at a VA and also suffer from it.

[Wfreshie2130]

Tough job RFK Jr has in trying to turn things around with all the chronic, institutionalized self interest going on in the vaccination industry. To get this topic on the table as 'official policy' is moving in a better direction.

Lot of studies out there clearly showing trends of increased chronic illness with vaccinations. Fauci knows it and is why he won't release a study about it. Thankfully those days are over.,

those studies had SIGNIFICANT FLAWS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


the results of  major, well-controlled scientific and epidemiological studies is that vaccines do not cause chronic illnesses.

>>>>>The few studies suggesting a link have been widely criticized for significant methodological flaws, such as selection bias and improper control groups. <<<<<<


the original dr who claimed  mmr vaccine causes autism.   not that it was 1 cause   but THE cause  .....   no study has EVER been able to duplicate his result...he only had 12 kids in the study  .....not a single study with  12 people will be accurate 

the reason he said mmr caused autism was because HE was GOING to MAKE money by putting out his own  vaccine 

he also subjected these children to unnecessary painful tests 

rfk jr in charge of the health department  told parents to give their children  cod liver oil for  measles  this is only  done in 3rd would controunties where children are  extremely underweight while having  measles

the parents who followed rfk jrs advice   ended up with their children poisoned and  had to be treated in the hospital BECAUSE   rfk jt the HEAD of the HEALTH DEPARTMENT didn't know that vitamins like vic c are water based so you pee out any exrtra....but...... vitamins like  d and e  keep collecting in the body   to the point where these children were poisoned and had to be treated  in the hospital

the head of the department of health did not  know this most basic principle 

[Wfreshie2130]

 

shingles happens because  the person had chicken pox at some point....it lays dormant and is reactivated later  as shingles the stress from being in the hospital   would have triggered it.....there are more cases because  more people are unvaccinated  so they get chick pox and it lays dormant until it flares up as shingles

[quintessentone]

The autoimmune increase is also due to Gulf War Syndrome.

I work at a VA and also suffer from it.

Sorry to learn that, it must be rough.

It is also mentioned that pesticide exposure can cause Gulf War Syndrome depending on susceptibility of an allele in one's genes. I've read about this allele in other studies regarding autoimmune issues. Considering the fact that pesticides and forever chemicals accumulate in the body over time this may also be a factor to consider with increased shingles cases in the elderly.

AI:
"YesDo Pesticides Accumulate in the Body?Yes, pesticides can accumulate in the body over time. This accumulation is particularly concerning for older individuals, as their skin becomes thinner, making it more susceptible to absorption. Pesticides can enter the body through skin contact, inhalation, or ingestion. The liver and kidneys are the primary organs responsible for detoxifying pesticides, but their ability to do so may diminish with concurrent use of multiple prescription drugs. Long-lasting pesticides, such as DDT, can remain in the body for years or even decades, leading to chronic health issues. "

CCOHS: Pesticides - Health Effects

"Pesticides and Shingles
The relationship between pesticide exposure and shingles has been highlighted by a study published in Environment International. The study found a significant incidence of shingles among pesticide applicators, particularly those hospitalized for pesticide-related illnesses. The research suggests that acute, high-level pesticide exposure can increase the risk of shingles years to decades after initial exposure. This finding underscores the long-term health risks associated with pesticide use, especially in occupational settings where exposure is more frequent. The study emphasizes the need for careful monitoring and management of pesticide use to mitigate these risks."

Study Finds Novel Relationship Between Shingles and Pesticide Exposure

From Wikipedia:

"Susceptibility was influenced by an allele in the PON1 gene.[sup][11][/sup][sup][12][/sup][sup][13][/sup] Exposure to pesticides containing other organophosphates and exposure to pills containing pyridostigmine bromide also referred to as nerve agent pre-treatment sets (NAPS) tablets,[sup][14][/sup] used as a pretreatment to protect against nerve agent effects, has been found to be associated with the neurological effects seen in Gulf War syndrome."

Gulf War syndrome - Wikipedia

We are all exposed to pesticides. I've just switched over to organic tea leaves, no bags, as I steep my tea for long periods of time and pesticides, chemicals from the leaves, and microplastics from the tea bags were being released. 

PON1 - Wikipedia

[Maxmars]

DDT is a Deep-Sea Toxic Time Capsule

Between 1948 and 1961, barges laden with industrial waste, including high concentrations of once-ubiquitous agricultural insecticide, Dichlorodiphenyltrichloroethane (DDT), were indiscriminately discharged into the Pacific Ocean. An estimated 100 tons of DDT contaminate the ocean floor off Palos Verdes. Decades after its ban, the insidious legacy of DDT , still haunts the depths off the coast of Southern California. A recent study has unearthed disturbing evidence of DDT’s persistent presence in deep-sea fish and sediments, shedding light on a silent threat lurking beneath the waves.

Over a decade of "cheaply and effectively" tossing out DDT in just one state.... it only happened there, right?