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#41
(11-22-2025, 04:21 AM)Astyanax Wrote: The CDC website is largely dedicated to providing reliable and helpful information about diseases and their treatment to the general public. How do you think that function will be affected by this change of orientation? Will the public at large still feel the information  the site offers is trustworthy? How about doctors and other care providers? How might they react?

Does anyone think the website should be closed down?


No, it should not be shut down. Like I've already pointed out, science changes. Just because someone doesn't like the results doesn't mean it's wrong. Some have long held beliefs that science is "settled" and think that's the be all and end all of the discussion.

Doctors had a long held belief that washing their hands was useless. That germ theory was ridiculous and it couldn't possibly be a tiny organism that caused disease.

When steam trains came along, Doctors also thought that the human body couldn't withstand travel at 35 mph. They said the Human body would just fly apart and now millions travel at speeds close to Mach every day.

I had Cancer. I delved into every article I could find to get information. My Wife is qualified to work Oncology and did so for years and she didn't have all the answers.

Doctors used to endorse cigarette ads.

THERE IS A REASON Doctors and Nurses have continuing education. To keep up on the latest findings, procedures and medicines.

Just because it changes, doesn't mean it's wrong.
#42
(11-21-2025, 12:58 PM)ANNEE Wrote: It has become such a pathetic joke.  
 

Let's look at worldwide studies for consensus of facts.

"“Since 1998, independent researchers across seven countries have conducted more than 40 high-quality studies involving over 5.6 million people. The conclusion is clear and unambiguous: There’s no link between vaccines and autism. Anyone repeating this harmful myth is misinformed or intentionally trying to mislead parents,” Dr. Susan J. Kressly, president of the American Academy of Pediatrics, said in a statement in response to the CDC’s website change."

Revised CDC Website About Autism and Vaccines Is Not Evidence-Based - FactCheck.org
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#43
(11-22-2025, 07:13 AM)David64 Wrote: No, it should not be shut down. Like I've already pointed out, science changes. Just because someone doesn't like the results doesn't mean it's wrong. Some have long held beliefs that science is "settled" and think that's the be all and end all of the discussion.


Science is known knowledge. 

it is known via many years of studies vaccines do not cause autism. 

Studies do show a genetic link and brain scans show neuro-differences.
#44
(11-22-2025, 11:16 AM)ANNEE Wrote: Science is known knowledge. 

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While I can't argue for nor against the thesis that vaccines and autism has any link whatsoever, the statement above appears as a misinterpretation.

"[S]cience" is an analytical methodology, nothing more, nothing less as far as I understand.

If people decide to conclude something out of such methodology is up to them. However, it is simply a tool, and its limits are the same as the organism that uses it. There are no way, at least for now, to prove out of all doubt that any conclusion reached through the scientific method is ultimately "true", or not.

Isn't that why the 'extra' step of the methodology (that is, the 'conclusion') is to reproduce the experiment by other researchers to 'validate' the initial results?
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#45
(11-22-2025, 11:52 AM)IgnorantGod Wrote: While I can't argue for nor against the thesis that vaccines and autism has any link whatsoever, the statement above appears as a misinterpretation.

The most honest thing a scientist can say is:  I DON'T KNOW.

They are not saying "I don't know".
#46
(11-22-2025, 12:28 PM)ANNEE Wrote: The most honest thing a scientist can say is:  I DON'T KNOW.

They are not saying "I don't know".

Or when scientists state in their studies "more research is required" as a challenge for others to take on the challenge.
"The only journey is the one within."
#47
(11-22-2025, 12:36 PM)quintessentone Wrote: Or when scientists state in their studies "more research is required" as a challenge for others to take on the challenge.

Yes - that is good.

Autism studies seem to have ramped up -- but in other areas.

The Neanderthal connection is interesting.  Brain scans are interesting.  Genetic testing is interesting.  Eye recognition is interesting.

The vaccine connection is done.
#48
(11-22-2025, 11:16 AM)ANNEE Wrote: Science is known knowledge. 


They "knew" thalidomide was safe too. How'd that work out ?

Science is challenging what we know. If they didn't we'd still be dying by the millions from diseases.
#49
(11-22-2025, 12:41 PM)ANNEE Wrote: Yes - that is good.

Autism studies seem to have ramped up -- but in other areas.

The Neanderthal connection is interesting.  Brain scans are interesting.  Genetic testing is interesting.  Eye recognition is interesting.

The vaccine connection is done.

It is all very interesting but it looks while autism studies have ramped up, resources for autistic people have decreased.

Yeah, seeing a lot about Neanderthal connections recently.

Neanderthals May Never Have Truly Gone Extinct, Study Reveals : ScienceAlert

Edited after learning more about this subject and wondering whether or not Neanderthal DNA with links to autism actually favours survival mechanisms in today's person even though today's world does not require those survival mechanisms that Neanderthal or primitive humans would have needed.

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"We're still not sure exactly how Neanderthals and ancient humans originally interacted, for example, or how autism changes brain connections so that people with the condition see the world in a different way.
 "This is the first study to provide strong evidence for the active role of a subset of rare, as well as some common, Neanderthal-derived alleles in autism susceptibility in multiple major American populations," write the researchers.
 
"We hope this research will lead to further investigation into the ongoing influences of ancient hybridization between Homo sapiens and Neanderthals in brain development, human intelligence, and overall human health, as well as spur work into additional clinical resources for this complex population.""

Autism Linked With DNA Our Ancestors Inherited From Neanderthals : ScienceAlert
"The only journey is the one within."
#50
(11-22-2025, 12:57 PM)quintessentone Wrote: I mean some people may still be more Neanderthal-like than anything else, don't you agree ANNEE? lol

But more genetic research is needed.

I think I've known a few.  And yes -- more genetic research is needed.  Programs for SPED kids have practically been gutted. I feel fortunate that mine is 17 and high functioning.

My oldest daughter was diagnosed ADHD way back in about 1972.  Schools were just beginning to recognize ADHD.  She was in an experimental program - the only one in the state at that time.  There is a crossover with ADHD and Autism.  My youngest daughter is undiagnosed high functioning Autism which was not even on the radar back then -- now I know why she was the way she was.  She is the mother of the 17-year-old.  He was recognized as Autistic about age 2.  I had never heard of his type of autism -- I had to learn along with him.  You need a trained "eye".  He has an amazing case worker -- but some of the teachers don't get it.  He comes off as being very intelligent -- but he lives in a world of his own -- and has difficulty with focusing.  He's had one-on-one aides -- but that's not available to him right now.

So -- I've been doing this for a long time.



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