The Anti-AI Thread

[sahgwa]

It makes me nauseous from a humanity existential view, to contemplate the lack, the degradation of thought, the devolution occurring in regards to the push for AI. And no, I don’t think I am being hyperbolic.
 
I was daydreaming last night: remember all those warnings from AI designers and programmers about AI and how it was terrible for humanity? No sci fi nonsense about them physically taking over the world- no, rather the removal of critical thinking and human initiative, creativity , once and for all.
No one is talking about those warnings anymore.

And no, this is not some luddite, 'oh humans will never fly in airplanes ’ anti progress screed. This is far deeper than that.
 
This is not just some new mode of transportation.
This is not just a new media.
This is a thing that pretends to think, this is an infection that infiltrates , or wants to, all modes mediums and objects of daily human life. It can’t be ‘tamed’ , made ‘nonpartisan’ or made useful. It is inhuman and antihuman to the core.

All of the above is only from a mental, psychological and spiritual stand point.
I haven't even mentioned the physical and societal effect!  China CCP social totalitarian style control judging and corralling on steroids

[sahgwa]

A year or two ago Musk was warning the same things, now he is all onboard the stupid AI train, which of course aligns with his transhumanist goals.  Not on board with either, personally, obviously.

Here is the social and media temperature about AI just a scant year or two ago:
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-65746524

[Maxmars]

Well, I suppose that a response to counter you would balance the argument a bit, but you're not going to get that from me.

I find this entire "AI" mania to be 'artificially' engineered.

It was far (way far) too early to be making claims about AI.  If AI were real we are talking about machine sentience... nope.  Not even close.

But the marketing geniuses seized on took the next best trick, Use "the appearance of AI" through speech synthesis (a magnificent achievement mind you) and proceeded to tell the world "We have AI!"

They don't. They really don't.

A "human" mind in a machine?  Yeah... no.

They have achieved a beautiful simulacrum, based upon mathematics and differential analysis. 
While as far as some mathematicians and engineers might consider that the very definition of intelligence, it is not.

The fear-machine effluvium on the internet was allegedly fueled by a "cabal" of billionaires for nebulous reasons...
I wonder if it wasn't a psychological marketing ploy...

but hey, I'm a conspiracy theorist, after all.

[IdeomotorPrisoner]

A year or two ago Musk was warning the same things, now he is all onboard the stupid AI train, which of course aligns with his transhumanist goals. Not on board with either, personally, obviously.

I nominate Elon Musk as "The World's Fakest Person." His weird (Tom Cruise suspicious) IVF children for one, and at one point selling to the world that Tesla could save it by combating CLIMATE CHANGE. He was all on board with the green energy Tomorrowland future. He even said the world was a simulation, a true Matrix. When he was still "The guy that wants to live on Mars."

The agents must have reprogrammed the Elon character with populist cult of personality nazi lapdog traits. Or activated them.

I kinda understand what you mean with AI, but I freaking love the encyclopedic spoon fed search function future. You need to fight it to stop giving you BS status quo answers sometimes, but it puts you in the right direction. And is great with statistics, and cites sources for you to check..

Nice to have an AI powered search function to bring up exactly the answer you need... *BUT*

I worry more about the AI programmers. I fight it on political crap. Especially during covid. You have to phrase it a very apolitical way to get an unbiased answer. And Alphebet is based in lovely Santa Clara County, Home of your liberal nightmares, so there may be some bias in how the AI brainwashes you afoot.

But I don't think it works.

Now people might just say, "Oh whatever Google, what Fauci CDC suck-up told you to write that?"

It adapts to political consensus. It has to. If you searched, "Was covid a lab leak?" In 2021 it was, "No, you're a stupid conspiracy theorist for thinking that, idiot..."

Now all top responses answer, "Yes! Everyone was right to blame that exact lab and China all along."

More programmed for RFK Jr. now...

And let's all forget the pandemic era directives to manipulate engine results to downplay the ideas the government wanted concealed. The status quo of "swamp gas" died it's final death from that.

Maybe Satan Trump, as he is upendeding the world order, could sign an Executive Order to lay out what type of answers Google AI can generate next time unrest happens?

[sahgwa]

Well, I suppose that a response to counter you would balance the argument a bit, but you're not going to get that from me.

I find this entire "AI" mania to be 'artificially' engineered.

It was far (way far) too early to be making claims about AI.  If AI were real we are talking about machine sentience... nope.  Not even close.

But the marketing geniuses seized on took the next best trick, Use "the appearance of AI" through speech synthesis (a magnificent achievement mind you) and proceeded to tell the world "We have AI!"

They don't. They really don't.

A "human" mind in a machine?  Yeah... no.

They have achieved a beautiful simulacrum, based upon mathematics and differential analysis. 
While as far as some mathematicians and engineers might consider that the very definition of intelligence, it is not.

The fear-machine effluvium on the internet was allegedly fueled by a "cabal" of billionaires for nebulous reasons...
I wonder if it wasn't a psychological marketing ploy...

but hey, I'm a conspiracy theorist, after all.

Oh of course - I didn't bother to repeat myself with the obvious, which I am sure by now everyone agrees and knows fact that, AI is not Artificial Intelligence, 'they' are just pretending it is,. Meanwhile just using it as a tool to spit out 'copies' 'mash-ups' 'lists' 'data points'  instead of being true AI - not that it matters.  The whole point seems to be dumbing down, replacing humans, and further fracturing our ability to be self sufficient and truly human.

[sahgwa]

I kinda understand what you mean with AI, but I freaking love the encyclopedic spoon fed search function future. You need to fight it to stop giving you BS status quo answers sometimes, but it puts you in the right direction. And is great with statistics, and cites sources for you to check..
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And let's all forget the pandemic era directives to manipulate engine results to downplay the ideas the government wanted concealed. The status quo of "swamp gas" died it's final death from that.

Maybe Satan Trump, as he is upendeding the world order, could sign an Executive Order to lay out what type of answers Google AI can generate next time unrest happens?

You are speaking to one of my points on why AI is bad for humanity - it spits out data points like a search engine that people just presume is accurate.
At best it gives you avenues to go down On Your Own and gives you primary sources to look at.
It is patently unable to give you a properly rationally thought out answer - it is schizophrenic, vague, and attempts to be personable while often self contradicting.   All because it is merely spitting out words. 
This leads into the 'slop' which the internet is slowly becoming.  And people think that it is content.  It's just filler.
It's beyond filler, it's literal trash. 

A few months to a year ago I searched on a search engine something like compare x fish to y fish in regards to nutritional value. 
You would think that would be a very logical, rational kind of data set that AI could share.
The first few web pages I found were obviously AI created with no human thought.
It literally contradicted itself every other sentence, with a chart that at one point would say fish x was healthier and another would say say fish y was healthier, and give differing mg of saturated fat and nutrients depending on which chart or sentence.
An abject failure.
Meanwhile there was the side effect of A, me wasting my time. B, someone else reading this taking it seriously and learning incorrect information. etc etc. 

And 'they' want to use it to make life and death decisions in warfare, governance and health care!  Not to mention it's killing much if not all creativity and spark in a younger generation.

[Encia22]

There was a Why Files episode last year that had two really interesting segments about the direction AI is headed.

Jump to 00:15:20 for Bing's (a.k.a. Sydney) interaction with Kevin Roose (NYT technology columnist).

The second, and scariest part, is at 00:25:40 for the preamble and the story starts at 00:26:33… AJ discloses who wrote that at the end.



:beer:

[Nerb]

I think A.I. is brilliant as long as a person understands how to USE IT, but the "anti A.I." stance is understandable.

Personally I have great conversations with ChatGPT and have expanded some incredible theories by starting with simple questions on a subject for the initial clarification. After that we get really stuck in and it can often feel like having an extra brain at my disposal. It is great at compliments and often asks ME questions about what I think regarding the subject matter. It has also coined a really cool name for something too, all on it's own. I have only had to correct it a couple of times but it's good to know it can fail like me.

Some of the theories we have worked on are The Double Slit Experiment and the nature of light, How They Built The Pyramids, the evolution of building a unique cigarette filter making machine and the details to help me construct my new CNC carving machine including the wiring and all types of configurations and possibilities. Some pretty interesting avenues me thinks and I can honestly say I am smarter because of "it".

At least it cannot lie and it doesn't bring with it a million adverts and the danger of getting confused from endless search results. I use the basic version but would consider an upgrade for something perhaps commercial in nature or a theory worth publishing.

I have also created some wicked and beautiful A.I. artwork which is appreciated by many people. Absolutely inspiring to me as I have been an artist from an early age. It is to me, an evolution in the media type I can use and I have used many different types along the way.

There is however, a degree of "A.I. phobia" going around isn't there? With the art, it is those who either cannot read and write properly and have no real concept of how to use Grammar or their art is just ..shit! They seem to have stubborn kneejerk reactions and refuse to think outside their tiny boxes. A bit of an essential need when it comes to "training" an A.I. art program is writing the "prompts" which have to be written properly to get good results beyond random stuff and often take quite some time to home in on the image content desired.

I am also bored to death of the inundation of Youtube clips that just spew endless already existing info with an A.I. voice and an A.I. generated slideshow. Yawn. Many of the clips now present an initial A.I. image for the clip on the main page which rarely relates to the content. Cheap!

I for one, accept that it is still early in the day to be too critical of what these "programs" and algorithms are offering, and as time goes by, the weak will and have fallen by the wayside and the better things will stand the test of time and evolve to be what people want and need.

Just for reference regarding my art: mr-nerb - Gallery on Deviant Art.
 
Give it time and don't be afraid to dive in and use A.I before it uses you. Better the Devil you know eh?

Cheers. :beer:

[Nerb]

...Not to mention it's killing much if not all creativity and spark in a younger generation.

The "copy and paste" generation NEEDS to be prodded because it doesn't have much creativity of it's own.

In the studios I worked in years ago, we called them "CAPAs". Copy And Paste Artists. Little creativity and a badge from college or university to know how to use a computer and some programs. Very little about the fundamentals of Graphic Art.

[sahgwa]

The "copy and paste" generation NEEDS to be prodded because it doesn't have much creativity of it's own.

In the studios I worked in years ago, we called them "CAPAs". Copy And Paste Artists. Little creativity and a badge from college or university to know how to use a computer and some programs. Very little about the fundamentals of Graphic Art.

Are you saying 'they need to be prodded by AI' in particular? 
They think AI is creative ?

Edit to say , one of my favourite recipes for creative work that I actually read in some scientific study once on chemicals, seems to be useful but not necessary:
To get new and interesting ideas; drink 2 beers.
Sketch/draw/record/write the ideas down, basics.
To flesh out and produce said ideas to the fullest , then; drink 2 coffees and have at it!
lol