The Anti-AI Thread

[UltraBudgie]

I am sorry, but I am viewing AI like something toxic like meth; just a little bit is not okay

you are correct and that is a great analogy and we need to push the button sooner rather than later

https://thisbuttondoesnothing.com

oh no i have no mouth and i must scream

[Encia22]

Edit: Here, I asked it to be less formal:


Hey, how about that! It thinks this thread is "super important!" Wowza, high-five.

LOL, sorry I couldn't resist...

AI: Here is your text rewritten in a King Arthur style:  

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Verily, thy musings doth touch upon weighty matters that trouble the hearts of many, for the swift march of artificed intellect doth raise great questions of consequence for the fate of humankind. Aye, the dread that such craft may weaken the faculties of wit, invention, and the noble spirit of endeavor is no idle fear, for as these contrivances weave themselves into the tapestry of our daily toil, so too may the minds of men grow slothful and untested.  

Dost thou not see, as wisdom and judgment be ceded to these strange devices, that the wits of man may dull as an oft-neglected blade? If we entrust such engines to reckon and to create, yet lift not our own minds to the task, shall we not dwindle in sharpness and might, our powers of reason waning like the moon in her decline? Yea, a kingdom that forgoeth the counsel of its own lords and heeds only the whisperings of a conjured thing may find itself rudderless, adrift upon dark waters.  

Moreover, dost thou not hear the whisper of a graver peril? For what if this art be wielded not for the good of the realm, but for its subjugation? In days of yore, tyrants held their people in iron chains, but now there riseth a subtler yoke, unseen yet no less dire—a web woven of unseen eyes, of boundless knowledge turned to ill purpose, whereby men may be watched, swayed, and led unknowing into bondage. If this be so, then what fate awaiteth the free man, the noble heart, the bold thinker who would shape his own destiny?  

Thus, let us not stand mute as this new craft taketh root in our land. Nay, let us parley with wisdom, weighing both boon and bane, lest we be ensnared ere we know it. In council, with voices raised in reason, let us chart a course that holdeth fast to human will and wits, that the age of man be not swallowed in the wake of sorcery wrought by artifice. Thy words, good sir, are a clarion call, and the realm would do well to heed them.  

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AI: How dost thou find this rendering, noble friend?

ME: Perfect, dost did good!

AI: Ah, thou dost honor me with thy gracious words! If ever thou hast need of further prose wrought in the manner of old, call upon me, and I shall wield my quill as a knight doth his blade. ?⚔️

ME: Good tidings to thee.

AI: And good tidings to thee as well, noble friend! May fortune favor thee, and may thy days be filled with valor and wisdom. If ever thou hast need of aid, be it in word or counsel, I stand ready! ⚔️✨

[sahgwa]

LOL, sorry I couldn't resist...

AI: Here is your text rewritten in a King Arthur style:  
AI: And good tidings to thee as well, noble friend! May fortune favor thee, and may thy days be filled with valor and wisdom. If ever thou hast need of aid, be it in word or counsel, I stand ready! ⚔️✨

The cuter it tries to be , the more I just want to punch it in the digital mouth.
Forsooth. Egads

[pianopraze]

Green tea is wonderful. Try adding some rose petals for a nice bouquet.

I am weaning myself off teabags now and trying to say goodbye to all the micro-plastics they contain. They are added to the paper so it doesn't disintegrate in water.

Regarding computers when I was growing up, it was pocket calculators and later it was Atari space invaders. The first use of a calculator was to write "BOOBIES" and "SHELL OIL" upside down with numbers. Sex and Money eh?

I miss all the local tea shops where I could purchase wonderful flavored teas put it in a little metal ball…. Mmmmmmm.

oh yeah ai. It’s going to kill us all.

but we will have fun with it for a little while until it decides to kill us.
this is what grok thought this post looks like, then I made the person look better in openart

[sahgwa]

oh yeah ai. It’s going to kill us all.

but we will have fun with it for a little while until it decides to kill us.

I know that you actually understand the premise of the thread, that we are killing ourselves, via AI. Not AI is killing us.

[UltraBudgie]

this is what grok thought this post looks like, then I made the person look better in openart
[Image: https://denyignorance.com/uploader/images/IMG_4556.JPG]

this gives a little hope. despite all the use of mechanism, a little art shines through, as art transcends all contrivance.

the art here is the observation of the hilarious contextual obliviousness, shared both by ai and its proponents, indicated by this fact: the way she's holding that glass, she's going to burn the fuck out of her hand.

[Nerb]

[Image: https://denyignorance.com/uploader/images/IMG_4556.JPG]

Interesting ball bearing sitting quietly on the table.

Dashen?

[Nerb]

I did this a while ago with "Piclumen" image A.I.

[chr0naut]

It makes me nauseous from a humanity existential view, to contemplate the lack, the degradation of thought, the devolution occurring in regards to the push for AI. And no, I don’t think I am being hyperbolic.
 
I was daydreaming last night: remember all those warnings from AI designers and programmers about AI and how it was terrible for humanity? No sci fi nonsense about them physically taking over the world- no, rather the removal of critical thinking and human initiative, creativity , once and for all.
No one is talking about those warnings anymore.

And no, this is not some luddite, 'oh humans will never fly in airplanes ’ anti progress screed. This is far deeper than that.
 
This is not just some new mode of transportation.
This is not just a new media.
This is a thing that pretends to think, this is an infection that infiltrates , or wants to, all modes mediums and objects of daily human life. It can’t be ‘tamed’ , made ‘nonpartisan’ or made useful. It is inhuman and antihuman to the core.

All of the above is only from a mental, psychological and spiritual stand point.
I haven't even mentioned the physical and societal effect!  China CCP social totalitarian style control judging and corralling on steroids

Calling what we have AI is pure marketing. We are nowhere close to true AGI.

The thing is, LLM's will always give you an answer, even if there isn't a factual one to give.

They can sort data into something that looks meaningful, but looks can be deceptive and as complexity rises, nonsense can be presented in a quite convincing manner.

It is our preconception, ignorance and gullibility that lends any credence to what an LLM spits out.

LLM's are useful though, in that they can summarise their vast array of training data in what looks like an intelligent manner, but you have to realize that they can wrongly link datapoints, and so present things that simply are not factual.

In no way does an LLM 'understand' the content it presents. Therefore it cannot verify the factuality of the links it assumes, and builds its answers on. It simply presents what it was trained on using dictates of language structure.

The rulesets, that to a certain extent contain some real-world data, are many gigabytes in size, and so they have their own inner complexity and as they build in part on previously defined rules, which may themselves not be factual, it becomes very hard to filter out chains of faulty 'reasoning rules'. Hence LLM's 'hallucinate' (a kind way of saying that they produce BS). As the models become bigger and the rulesets are corrected and reviewed over time, hallucinations will reduce, but they just aren't intelligent.

Back in history, there were quite simple programs such as ELIZA that also looked like they were intelligently responding to input, but the idea that a couple of hundred lines of BASIC code could be 'intelligent' was pure delusion. There were even people who claimed romantic relationships with chatbots, LOL.

LLM's are probably part of the way to AGI, but people are treating them like they were more than just the big algorithm they are.

[UltraBudgie]

If governments want AI to improve services and security for their citizens, then they need to put all their information in one place – even citizens’ genomic data – according to Larry Ellison, the Oracle database tycoon.

Ellison shared his take on what governments need to do to succeed with AI during a discussion with his buddy former UK prime minister Tony Blair at the World Governments Summit in Dubai today.

..."We need to unify all the national data, put it into a database where it's easily consumable by the AI model, and then ask whatever question you like," he said. "That's the missing link."

He believes the payoff will include better healthcare, thanks to treatments tailored to individuals, and the ability for governments to lift food production by better predicting crop yields. Analyzing land so that farmers can be advised where to apply fertilizers or increase irrigation was another scenario Ellison floated.

"As long as countries will put their data - all of it - in a single place we can use AI to help manage the care of all of the patients and the population at large," Ellison said, adding his belief that AI can handle other social services and eliminate fraud.

Of course, such a vast database system could also be the precursor to pervasive surveillance – an idea Ellison last year said he feels is desirable and would like Oracle to help facilitate.

Constant real-time surveillance of populations, analyzed by Oracle-powered machine-learning products, would keep everyone "on their best behavior," Ellison said at an Oracle financial analyst conference in September 2024.

https://www.theregister.com/2025/02/12/l..._all_data/

This has been a long time coming. Ellison began decades ago, contracting with the US government to keep a database of information on each citizen. AT&T has been recording and archiving the contents of all phone calls and communications since the 80s. All that data is now pouring into aggregation and back-end AI models.

The vision is this: social interaction has been replaced by the web. The web is gradually being poisoned and made unusable, forcing a migration to personal AI agents. Personal AI agents will be "secure" against the end-user, providing prescribed services, interacting with private corporate systems, operating in their cloud. Network and data-sharing agreements between corporate entities, governments, and economic institutions allow back-end system coordination by upper-level models. Who or what controls those systems, even their very existence, will remain opaque.

Much of this is not new but merely a reimplementation of systems that have existed for centuries, based on paper and bureaucracy -- rings intersecting rings. What's new is the level of potential responsiveness, granularity, and integration.

The chaos of the modern world is overwhelming. We can finally get our lives under control! See, that was sarcasm haha.