The Anti-AI Thread

[sahgwa]

AI is a tool. Don't you use it as such? I do.

Stop applying human traits to it, it is not human and never will be.

It is wondrous, yes, but will never rule us.

Lazy people will use it often, but there will always be the philosophers that others will want to poison because they are in the outer limits of the trend of society.

Hi friend,

I am afraid either my writing was too obtuse, or you have missed the point on your own, but nowhere was I trying to say that 'AI is evil' 
My whole point was that the over-use, the reliance, and the 'worship' or AI (so called, as we know), the embedding, infection and push ,for AI was too pervasive and too insidious to ignore.
It is these things, because it largely saps initiative, creativity, critical thinking, and reasoning. 
Maybe it is 'meant to' like how smart phones don't just act as personal tracking and surveillance devices, but also as attention killers and baby sitters. 
It's not 'AI' that is bad . it's the way people are using it and how it is creeping into every little thing, or trying to.

[sahgwa]

Agree.

But too many evil sociopaths exist that often end up controlling these tools.

An axe is a deadly weapon or farm tool depending on the wielder.

Judgment day is inevitable. Weither ai controlled or small group of sociopath controlled makes little difference to us the people they wish to depopulate. We must resist it but that will likely be too little too late.

Yes- a tool, that they are using to further dehumanise and control human beings. 

I found out some new information about AI and it's history which should be food for thought for us:
Look into for one example, Mo Gawdat, a former Google chief business officer (Egyptian background). His latest book, Unstressable, is being reccommended in psychology circles.
He resigned his position, citing his concerns about where AI was going.
Many different AI whistleblowers who died mysterious deaths, all labeled “suicides” - Cyrus Parsa was the last one who died in February. 
He launched a suit against Google, and Elon Musk, Tesla Inc, and DeepMind, other AI for persecution and genocide

https://carlitashaw.substack.com/p/cyrus...found-dead


https://digitalcommons.law.scu.edu/cgi/v...historical

Suchir Balaji,
https://www.cnbc.com/2024/12/13/former-o...ge-26.html

'Advocate of Safe AI, found dead in a short time frame after two other Whistleblowers connected to AI Technology have died within the last seven months.

Cyrus A. Parsa Founder of The AI Organization, died a few days ago, in his apartment with a gun shot wound to the head, with a gun by his body.

Cyrus A. Parsa, was the Founder and CEO of The AI Organization, Loyal Guardian Security, and The Social Programming Institute, he a visionary in his field. He was also the Director of Creative Analysis & Defensive Innovations. He researched and investigated more than 1,000 AI, Robotics, 5G, Cybernetic, and Big Tech companies.'

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Regarding some patterns. 

Peter Thiel spent formative years in South Africa, and the British political theorist Nick Land, who developed the political philosophy both Musk and Thiel admire - the NeoReactionary movement, was in South Africa as well because his dad was a Shell Oil executive.

Thiel & Musk having Afrikaner ties (and many wealthy Afrikaners apparently admired the Nazis in their day, or so a white South African commentator observed on one podcast - was it Geopolitics & Empire?) Land would have been in the British South African group.
Lots of coincidences.

[DISRAELI]

I've just seen a Youtube advert inviting people to set up their own AI friend.

That should be enough. The end of human interaction, the end of human independence.

[sahgwa]

I've just seen a Youtube advert inviting people to set up their own AI friend.

That should be enough. The end of human interaction, the end of human independence.

If the existence of and advertising of such a thing, is still just viewed by some as only 'a tool', that 'we control,' ie 'harmless',  well I don't know what to say. 
Very sad. 
In my research for this thread I also found a case of a boy killing himself because he fell in love with an AI Chatbot. 
The dangers of this 'AI' far outweigh any benefits.  
If it really was just a tool, it would be used to collate data and connect facts.  Nothing else.

[Maxmars]

I liken the idea of a "chatbot" "friend" to an intellectual pabulum... like make believe, or embracing a moment in art;

As such, it seems to be capable of becoming a kind of "self-medication"... the same way as smoking, or enjoying an intoxicant.

Abuse is the real problem (as usual,)

and children... and the naïve... shouldn't do this in total isolation lest they come to some kind of unintended harm.

It is a gimmick.
Dangerously misrepresented.  
(Perhaps dangerous is too strong a word... I can't 'un-see' it.)

[DISRAELI]

I liken the idea of a "chatbot" "friend" to an intellectual pabulum... like make believe, or embracing a moment in art;

As such, it seems to be capable of becoming a kind of "self-medication"... the same way as smoking, or enjoying an intoxicant.

Abuse is the real problem (as usual,)

and children... and the naïve... shouldn't do this in total isolation lest they come to some kind of unintended harm.

It is a gimmick.
Dangerously misrepresented.  
(Perhaps dangerous is too strong a word... I can't 'un-see' it.)

What else do friends do? They give advice, tell people what they should do. I don't think "dangerous" is too strong. That's control of the world, right there.

[sahgwa]

So far this thread has only touched upon my, I believe valid concerns of the psychological problems with AI, and a bit of the aesthetic / creative cultural problems.
I intend to go in full paranoid mode about socio political and economical issues too, with data centres, social credit, social engineering and organisation thanks to 'AI' soon , too....oh boy.

[Maxmars]

I can become a preoccupation... seeing the "fog of AI" fall upon science and engineering...
(analogous to way one branch and focus of physics came to dominate funding...  I wonder if this has "research" grant outcomes?)

And it does irk me that just because they market it as "AI" they never make it clear that it is NOT... A "living," thinking, self-aware, cogent and capable of inference and implication and discernment of actual value in human dialogue.... 

But pirates will be pirates...

I hope someone is still actually working on the problem...

LLM's could a most useful appendage to AI, assuming they review the model of thought.

[Nerb]

AI is a tool. Don't you use it as such? I do.

Stop applying human traits to it, it is not human and never will be.

It is wondrous, yes, but will never rule us.

Lazy people will use it often, but there will always be the philosophers that others will want to poison because they are in the outer limits of the trend of society.

Absolutely agree.

WE are in control.

[Nerb]

I am afraid either my writing was too obtuse, or you have missed the point on your own, but nowhere was I trying to say that 'AI is evil' 
My whole point was that the over-use, the reliance, and the 'worship' or AI (so called, as we know), the embedding, infection and push ,for AI was too pervasive and too insidious to ignore.
It is these things, because it largely saps initiative, creativity, critical thinking, and reasoning. 
Maybe it is 'meant to' like how smart phones don't just act as personal tracking and surveillance devices, but also as attention killers and baby sitters. 
It's not 'AI' that is bad . it's the way people are using it and how it is creeping into every little thing, or trying to.

Perhaps we need to remind ourselves that the current widespread use of A.I. may be in some ways just a trend and a fashion, and eventually there will be a swing back to the more human creations from human minds which have the undisputable qualities of the animals we are. In my opinion, it's good for info and even theoretical discussion but when it comes to creative endevours, maybe it just can't compete in the long run because of it's stereotypical nature in it's output verses the minds of animals with quirks, failings, indiocyncracities and eccentricities that give our things the familiar touch of our ingrained and familiar human history.

Time will tell.