(05-04-2025, 03:22 AM)midicon Wrote: Is the moment of 'conception' i.e., fertilisation the same as the 'big bang'?
Exactly
It's the same concept as the "unbroken chain"
Everyone and everything living today, has a direct unbroken lineage back to the very source of all things, within the dawn of creation
If they didn't they would not/could not be here
If even one link was broken, you wouldn't exist
It is something very simple when it is said like this, but it something that most people never even consider
In my tradition this is the intended understanding behind the dimensions/degrees that are commonly refer to in other tradition as "the Rose Croix (Rosicrucian)"
15th - Time coming to you (East)
16th - Time passing from you (West)
17th - Bloodline passing to you (North)
18th - Bloodline passing from you (South)
The idea is to give you an understanding that the flow of time, from the very start of creation itself, passes not only around you, but also through you (as external, so internal. As above, so below)
You are merely a point in focus within the internal cycles (Isis/Resonance/Jesus) and external cycles (Osiris/Oscillation/Christ)
You are not the only focus, granted. But you are no less the sum of creation, than the creation itself you look upon
It is you, you are it. If it were not this way neither of you would exist
The world would not exist without us
We would not exist without the world
This same concept extends to concepts like God, which is the the Church is terrified of things like Gnosticism and the mystery teachings
Because this was part of the original understanding offered within the mystery schools, that all the Churches are based upon, that was the origin of Judaism and the Catholic Churches, called "Gnosticism"
Though the common perception of what Gnosticism was, and is, has become grossly misrepresented
As with the various mythologies, there was no real conception of "Gods" in the sense that we perceive such things today
Such is concept of modern history. Which is consistently adopted and then abandoned throughout the history and cycle of the ages
With the original teachings doing their best to correct the corrupted teachings each time they come within the cycles
While the corrupted teachings do their best to erase and suppress the original teachings each time they come within the cycles
Within the original teachings there was only personification of concepts and ideals on who we could become
If you were said to be like Thoth, you were thoughtful
If you were said to be like Loki, you were logical
If you were said to be like Freya, you would nurture and feed
What frightens modern theologies so much about the original mystery schools teachings, is that they cannot be divided by any form of theology or ordered divinity, from understandings like we today refer to as science
The conceptualised Elohim (Equilibrium) "God", is indeed one in the same as concepts like the "big bang"
If people are to realise that "the source" defined by deterministic will and belief as "God" and scientific concepts like "the big bang" are actually the same thing?
They may find common ground in which they realise that they no longer need to be told what God is
They no longer need to be "saved". They are perfectly capable of saving themselves. Or at least seeking to walk the path they need walk themselves
They may find common ground and realise that the things which have actually kept us divided in this world, are very same as those that claim to bring us together through their subjective exclusivity
Imagine a group of old men, all sitting around arguing over who should drive a bus, when none of them know how to drive. Or even what a bus is. Or even have any idea where we are even going
This is religion today
It is faster to get out and walk "the long walk" yourself, because that bus is never going anywhere
It is a perpetual promise of something offered, which cannot actually be offered to you. Because it is, and always was yours, inherent from birth
In my tradition we say "Beware those who would try sell you the keys to your own kingdom"
Such as the keys on the Vatican logo
That bus is going nowhere. At least while they sit around waiting for each other to die, so they can implement another driver who will do and offer just as little as the last
At the same time that science and other understandings evolve forwards at a rate of development that is undeniable and cannot be matched by the Church
Forwards to what? The very same source that the Church claims to represent and be an indisputable authority on
Don't get my wrong, the Church and it's leaders are not inherently bad. Just blind
Intentionally blind and deaf, by choice
Some of the interactions I have had with them, their Bishops and Vicar Generals about the corruption of the original teachings is borderline evil
I don't believe in true evil. Only perceived evil and evil actions...
But the men I've spoken to in the Church are as close to evil as I have ever seen in this world
When you confront them with a deeper understanding of their own texts than they can offer, they instantly turn dark and evil
I have literally watched something take them over to respond to me, from outside of them, which is not them
Something dark and smug, bathed in a horrible false light that felt sick
Here in my home town, they have their Diocese offices intentionally located in the botanical gardens, at the same time that their Vicar General laughs and says "What mother?", when I ask him about restoring the feminine balance of "God"
Ive never wanted to punch someone in the face more than I did in that moment
It's like someone sitting in a pool, saying "what water?" because they don't want to admit it exists, or they might have to share it. Or worse, lose it
They present themselves to be the keeper of the keys, when in actual fact they are little more than a blockage
There are people commenting on this thread that are a perfect example of this
They believe they can define and name a concept like God, when they don't even understand themselves yet
Worse, they intentionally forsake any alignment or understanding of/towards self, or the mysteries as "chaos" at the same time they have convinced themselves they understand the source of such chaos
That's like claiming to understand the source code for a computer language, at the same time you say that no code or pattern exists within the very software you are using
Software you claim to have written
You cannot possibly claim to know the source in any way that you could name them with familiarities like "God", whilst you also deny or ignore the workings of such God as unknowable
The crazy part is, they are taught this within their own teachings
"If you do not know the son, you do not know the Father"
"None can know the name of God"
Anyways, the point is, yes, it is the big bang. But it is no different to the source of creation and thought (Theos) within equilibrium (El'ohim) that people call "God"
The irony is that the people who claim to know God the most, are usually those who have the least understanding of their alignment to such a source
They are those who are the most disconnected
If you were to ask them how far back their bloodline goes, they would answer something along the lines of their great-grandparents, or a particular generation
Because they are blind to the fact they are undeniably one with the source, by the fact they are even here
They detach themselves from such understanding, instead looking to find the same familiarity in one named and defined "son of God"
Without ever realising they are defining something within themselves
As such, they are blind to everything that goes with it
So they need someone to tell them how to think. How to feel. How to love
So instead of seeing patterns that can be learned and defined towards the missing parts of themselves they seek, they see chaos, beyond their ability to understand
Sadly, most will spend their entire lifetimes praying to an alignment of the internalised and externalised cycles (Jesus becoming Christ) hoping for it to be "returned" (in cycle) to them ...
But when they are shown pathways that lead to such alignment within the equilibrium, they disregard it as coincidence
The reality of it seems to be that they are more in love with the idea of knowing, than they are being offered a path of experience towards a genuine understanding of the things they seek
It is easier to disregard, deny or ignore things as impossible, non-existent and unknowable, than it is to consider or acknowledge a path that seems inconceivably hard to walk
It is better to deem it as impossible, for all but one person. Then simply ask to be saved by that person
To the point where they will try to reduce, belittle, shut down, or even case aspersions of evil on those who have actually walked a path that seems impossibly hard to them
Or (and this is an action of evil in my opinion) they attack those that seek such a path
I see it in forums like this all the time
Uninitiated users who will go out of their way to join a conversation on the topic they have no real knowledge about to be able to contribute on, just to say that they "think" or "believe" is it not real, impossible or doesn't exist
This is the equivalent of posting in a science thread, just to detail how little you know about science, or care for it, or that you believe it doesn't exist
"The alignments within those experiments are coincidence. There is no significance or meaning in them"
In my tradition we refer to these people as "Conciliatory"
They do not really want to know or understand anything, only to silence the question in their mind"
Which is what religion offers
But teaching people to stop asking the question, is not the same as answering it
It's pretty ironic that the uninitiated would go out of their way to post and promote a closed-minded opinion on what they do not believe, do not know, and do not understand, and don't want to know or understand, on threads like this, when the sites name is literally "Deny Ignorance"