Skinny Bob Likely to be a HOAX

[andy06shake]

I thought that too. Maybe a puppet enhanced with CGI is my opinion.

Same page here. A combination of stop motion animation and CGI is my bet.

[Kurokage]

You and I Andy are pretty much on the same page, I think DanZarfati  is possibly of the opinion it's more of a professional job, but I won't speak for him here and maybe I also haven't quite got what he means.

Because of the added grain layer for distortion and to make it look like film, it is hard to form an opinion other than it looks fake, so it could either be like "Rubber Jonny" and a home made  peice or "professional" that hasn't aged well.

[Velvet Elvis]

Im with DanZarfati on this one. I have always seen a very striking resemblance between Skinny BoB and the work of Chris Cunningham- especially his Rubber Johnny piece. I also agree that this has likely been done with live actors and altered in After Effects with mesh warp. Probably very little actual  CGI. At the time this came out CGI was not as robust as it is today and the few programs that were around were pretty expensive which would make them out of reach for most peop!e. There were a few.artists like Cunningham really pushing the boundaries of what After Effects could do and creating this surreal edgy.stuff. 

As.for this being part of a greater disinformation campaign, I doubt it. This is art. Honestly, it wouldn't surprise me if it was Cunningham s work but he's not the only one who was doing this kind of thing. Its.good stuff and the anonymity and lore the artist took the time to create around it just adds to its value.

[Kwaka]

I am going for more legit than not legit. Maybe some videos out there are Strawman attacks? Make a fake video so say they are all fake videos.

There was one good analysis on ATS a while back that used a method of comparing all the subtle changes in pixel color over all the video frames. This is able to pick up the blood flow patters of organic beings compared to more artificial objects.

With the video example in that thread, the test result where organic.

[DanZarfati]

Stop-motion puppet animation uses props.

It's perfectly okay to disagree, I'm just not quite sure how we disagree.

Hi, my disagreement is regarding the importance of the case. I said I found it pivotal, that was my point.

[DanZarfati]

I thought that too. Maybe a puppet enhanced with CGI is my opinion.

It is not impossible, however, as they most likely used children in the tape 06, family vacation, I do believe that this is a guy, or child, and then mesh warp, it is difficult, but I believe I demonstrate how to do in rudimentary terms. You would have to apply motion capture device to do it properly, it is expensive, but doable. very doable.

[DanZarfati]

You and I Andy are pretty much on the same page, I think DanZarfati  is possibly of the opinion it's more of a professional job, but I won't speak for him here and maybe I also haven't quite got what he means.

Because of the added grain layer for distortion and to make it look like film, it is hard to form an opinion other than it looks fake, so it could either be like "Rubber Jonny" and a home made  peice or "professional" that hasn't aged well.

I think it is very very very very professional. To the point that this has a very strong plausible deniability. When ppl would finally decide this was a type of art work, then they will claim "It was just artists doing art". Just like with the UMMO disinformation project, where probably 30 ppl were employed.

[DanZarfati]

Im with DanZarfati on this one. I have always seen a very striking resemblance between Skinny BoB and the work of Chris Cunningham- especially his Rubber Johnny piece. I also agree that this has likely been done with live actors and altered in After Effects with mesh warp. Probably very little actual  CGI. At the time this came out CGI was not as robust as it is today and the few programs that were around were pretty expensive which would make them out of reach for most peop!e. There were a few.artists like Cunningham really pushing the boundaries of what After Effects could do and creating this surreal edgy.stuff. 

As.for this being part of a greater disinformation campaign, I doubt it. This is art. Honestly, it wouldn't surprise me if it was Cunningham s work but he's not the only one who was doing this kind of thing. Its.good stuff and the anonymity and lore the artist took the time to create around it just adds to its value.

Hi There @Velvet. We are in difference only on this point then. I think that my position is the more likely. I think way more likely. But I am not overruling a mistake or overreach on my part.

[DanZarfati]

I am going for more legit than not legit. Maybe some videos out there are Strawman attacks? Make a fake video so say they are all fake videos.

There was one good analysis on ATS a while back that used a method of comparing all the subtle changes in pixel color over all the video frames. This is able to pick up the blood flow patters of organic beings compared to more artificial objects.

With the video example in that thread, the test result where organic.

Hi Kwaka, you believe the work is legit. I don't think it is. Have you seen my video? There is just too much confabulation, that settles for me. It is just too much what was said in ATS and so forth.

[DanZarfati]

Again guys, for you that do believe that this wasn't an expensive job, done by top class artists or technicians, then why we don't see much of this? Why do we see sooo much rubbish hoaxes, but barely a masterclass work like this? See my point? That nudges toward the comissioned work solution.