Senior US military officer: ‘Zero doubt’ of alien life on earth | Reality Check

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Senior US military officer: ‘Zero doubt’ of alien life on earth | Reality Check

I started following UFOs back in the late 90s on ATS it's a main reason I joined.

If we had a former military officer much less a Colonel with Nell's connections say what he said publically, the board would have been swamped.

These last couple of years feels a lot like what soft disclosure was described as all these previous years. If Non Human Intelligence/Aliens are already interacting with humans, the likelihood is those humans are going to need some oversight. 

Publically the military seems to be in a don't ask don't tell mode. Have a hard time believing the military has no clue. They may be embarrassed or uncertain but they aren't clueless. Nor are certain aerospace and defense corporations. Corporations that Retired U.S. Army Colonel Karl Nell was intimately familiar with. It could be subterfuge could be misinformation, obviously but why? Even if it's that, why different tactics after 50 plus years...

Hard to argue his 6 basic points behind the last 50 plus years of denial, and continued reluctance and uncertainty.  

National Security
TPTB has no plan
The chance for societal disruption
or a non-public agreement
departmental misdeeds and a desire to cover up the misdeeds
other organizational priorities




 

Retired U.S. Army Colonel Karl Nell says not only do aliens exist, but they also interact with humans. Nell is the former director of the Pentagon's UAP task force. Ross Coulthart breaks down Nell’s public statements and responds to those who question why there is no evidence.

[IdeomotorPrisoner]

Not my debate position, which was hard to be so paranoid and nihilistic on.

The more I think about it, the more I'm intuitively convinced the USAF used a Canadian production company to turn a Kurt Russell movie into a disclosure franchise.

On some things. Not the ancient slave race of with goa'uld and Aquino-esque butchered egyptology, but the concept of there possibly being something akin to a Stargate left by a previous intelligent species. Like "The Ancients". Like Antarctica may have found an ancient something, not dissimilar from the debunked Boyd expedition. Maybe. Possibly.

I've never been able to shake its more than a premise. And it was solidified when a girlfriend described the ComicCon Stargate SG-1 panel she went too.

It wasn't your typical audience. It was half military people in Uniform, and a crazy number of USAF and Navy. It's like the only show ever that has made "top secret classification" positive. For once its not a narrative of an oppressive top secret world. The one that says, "Maybe there really is more going on, and though you cant know, it's actually in the greater good."

It seems things have gotten a little more lax on what people can know, and now the most credible of people saying things gets largely ignored. Like this could mean tic tac drone orbs or shape-shifting lizard people. I'm not selling out for the V-Scenario, I prefer to think the reptilian are kept in check by our alliance with the greys.

I listened to a Coast2Coast interview like 15 years ago where the former Canadian Defence Minister was musing on how the Galactic Federation gets a live feed of the Olympics, because it's the only part of our social geopolitical interaction they really like.

So honestly, I wouldn't doubt if they a here. Can walk through people's backyards cloaked, buzz our aircraft, steal our animals, meddle in our society, and do all sorts of shit that may be to common knowledge to secret division of the Defence Intelligence Agency nobody ever heard of. Seems like it should be a 6th division for some reason...

And I believe in silencers and agents in black. But like the positive endings in Stargate I believe even the classified has a common underlying desire to rather see subjective good topple subjective evil. Even top secret ones.

I don't like seeing the government as my nefarious enemy and prefer to believe "The nobblest good embiggens" like every copy/paste government motto suggests.

And that's a more natural point for me to take. Because it doesn't defer to a fuck the world mentality.

[VulcanWerks]

I know they are here - I don’t know who “they” are or what they’re up to.

I think it’s October 12th or 13th all the UFO files will/must be declassified. I wonder if more people like this will come forward who have been holding onto information like this knowing that they’ll be proven right and sane in just a few months time.

[Maxmars]

Such a relief to hear from you outside the debate arena.

Frankly I find lists compelling so...

1. National Security

In a nation oriented towards being financially obsessed with profit, this "buzz word" is often used disingenuously by public officials... Any theoretical threat they might pose hasn't manifested itself in the many decades (nay, centuries) of their proposed presence.  I find it difficult to attribute much weight to the fear. Besides, every time I hear the words "national security" spoken by anyone... it leads to "we need me more money from you."

2. TPTB has no plan

While it may be true that they "have no plan" it might also be true that there is no such reality as a "The Powers that Be."  Such a concept might be an illusion perpetrated by those who dread more than anything that we might surmise that they have no idea what they are doing.  It's all a game to them.  But even if it is true that there is a person, group, or institution which is truly in charge.. deciding for "everyone" on how to engage with this possibility (probability?)... it seems unwise to assume they are motivated and driven by a sense of "protection for the people.' 

3. The chance for societal disruption

I suspect this notion is a trope left over from the past.  The idea that people will simply destroy themselves over the news is a pervasive myth.  I don't deny that some will prey upon the moment to engage in acts of stupidity, I don't think it can ever be deduced that we will simply stick our heads between our knees and kiss our butts goodbye.  That kind of paranoia is too specific to another time, when a lot less people weren't starting to realize that we hardly know anything about our universe.

4. ...or a non-public agreement

Of all the noteworthy and important aspects of the discussion, I find this most relevant.  You see, caving to their paranoia, government officials 'allowed' themselves to covertly "move" all these matters to private enterprise... which led to them becoming ignorant - at the government level - of what was going on.  They thought reliance on political appointees and "major" industrialists was "an alright idea" - motivated by fear of course - 'plausible deniability' being the major selling point (along with political favors and support.)  Chances are, if there have been 'deals' cut... it wasn't "the government" that made them... it was "other" organizations, cabals, and groups of the now 'NGO' variety.

5. departmental misdeeds and a desire to cover up the misdeeds

Ah, crimes.  Well, crimes can be laundered just like money.  The official ones often are (that's where politics comes in.)

6. other organizational priorities

My fear is that such "other" priorities are, in fact, not those of our government exclusively... they can be religious, economic, and partisan, just to name a few.  "Sustainability" and "eugenics" comes to mind...

My question always returns to the idea of "Why?"  We are not even a species that is cohesive with each other; we are our own worst enemies, violently so.  Under what circumstance would it be 'useful' to engage such a species?  In the end, the only thing that ever broke the boundary in my imaginings is the purpose of exploitation (since we seem so willing to do it to each other anyway.)  Not my idea of a good scenario.

[putnam6]

Such a relief to hear from you outside the debate arena.

Frankly I find lists compelling so...

1. National Security

In a nation oriented towards being financially obsessed with profit, this "buzz word" is often used disingenuously by public officials... Any theoretical threat they might pose hasn't manifested itself in the many decades (nay, centuries) of their proposed presence.  I find it difficult to attribute much weight to the fear. Besides, every time I hear the words "national security" spoken by anyone... it leads to "we need me more money from you."

2. TPTB has no plan

While it may be true that they "have no plan" it might also be true that there is no such reality as a "The Powers that Be."  Such a concept might be an illusion perpetrated by those who dread more than anything that we might surmise that they have no idea what they are doing.  It's all a game to them.  But even if it is true that there is a person, group, or institution which is truly in charge.. deciding for "everyone" on how to engage with this possibility (probability?)... it seems unwise to assume they are motivated and driven by a sense of "protection for the people.' 

3. The chance for societal disruption

I suspect this notion is a trope left over from the past.  The idea that people will simply destroy themselves over the news is a pervasive myth.  I don't deny that some will prey upon the moment to engage in acts of stupidity, I don't think it can ever be deduced that we will simply stick our heads between our knees and kiss our butts goodbye.  That kind of paranoia is too specific to another time, when a lot less people weren't starting to realize that we hardly know anything about our universe.

4. ...or a non-public agreement

Of all the noteworthy and important aspects of the discussion, I find this most relevant.  You see, caving to their paranoia, government officials 'allowed' themselves to covertly "move" all these matters to private enterprise... which led to them becoming ignorant - at the government level - of what was going on.  They thought reliance on political appointees and "major" industrialists was "an alright idea" - motivated by fear of course - 'plausible deniability' being the major selling point (along with political favors and support.)  Chances are, if there have been 'deals' cut... it wasn't "the government" that made them... it was "other" organizations, cabals, and groups of the now 'NGO' variety.

5. departmental misdeeds and a desire to cover up the misdeeds

Ah, crimes.  Well, crimes can be laundered just like money.  The official ones often are (that's where politics comes in.)

6. other organizational priorities

My fear is that such "other" priorities are, in fact, not those of our government exclusively... they can be religious, economic, and partisan, just to name a few.  "Sustainability" and "eugenics" comes to mind...

My question always returns to the idea of "Why?"  We are not even a species that is cohesive with each other; we are our own worst enemies, violently so.  Under what circumstance would it be 'useful' to engage such a species?  In the end, the only thing that ever broke the boundary in my imaginings is the purpose of exploitation (since we seem so willing to do it to each other anyway.)  Not my idea of a good scenario.

Ha, I thought I was posting too much...I prefer a discussion over a debate, especially on this topic, any day.

Here's another news network and another retired military officer, we have heard from before 

A new paper referencing video captured by Customs and Border Patrol of UAP, or Unexplained Aerial Phenomena, over the ocean near Puerto Rico in 2013 claims that the U.S. government is not sharing all it knows about "all-domain anomalous phenomena." NBC's Gadi Schwartz talks with the paper's author, oceanographer Rear Admiral Tim Gallaudet, about why he's speaking out.

I am just thinking this is too many ex-military to be coming forward, after decades of denial. No more no less, could be complete disinformation, slow disclosure, or damage control. What other reason supports the now willingness of ex-military to come forward?





as to your reasonings 

I find it difficult to attribute much weight to the fear. Besides, every time I hear the words "national security" spoken by anyone... it leads to "we need me more money from you."

Just because TPTB hide behind National Security excuses all the time doesn't mean it wasn't a valid reason initially and even now with respect to NHI. 

But even if it is true that there is a person, group, or institution which is truly in charge.. deciding for "everyone" on how to engage with this possibility (probability?)... it seems unwise to assume they are motivated and driven by a sense of "protection for the people.' 
 
How about self-preservation then, unless there is some secret off-planet colony any PTB Im referring to is under the same risks as everybody else. I find it much more likely they can't keep the lid on this forever, and this is indeed step one towards more transparency on the history of UAPs, this doesn't mean they will be entirely truthful or will be willing to discuss the future prospects

The idea that people will simply destroy themselves over the news is a pervasive myth. 

Really? We have a small percentage right now going bugchit, supporting an entity that wants to destroy our culture, over the Israel/Palestine question. We have no way of knowing one way or the other unless the NHI has time-traveling or remote-viewing abilities. It's human nature to weigh all the possibilities and have a measure of caution too. Sure the early bird gets the worm, but the 2nd mouse gets the cheese. I suspect how society responds depends on what is disclosed, if we find any evidence to our origin, I could easily see an upheaval in the more religious countries.

or a non-public agreement

Of all the noteworthy and important aspects of the discussion, I find this most relevant.  You see, caving to their paranoia, government officials 'allowed' themselves to covertly "move" all these matters to private enterprise... which led to them becoming ignorant - at the government level - of what was going on.

This is the one that resonates with me, we have seen this happen with the CIA and their various ventures over the years. 
Whether it's ignorance, willfully looking the other way, or as some rumors say they were lied to, and taken advantage of. No different than a technology advanced nation can take advantage of a Stone Age tribe if so motivated.

5. departmental misdeeds and a desire to cover up the misdeeds

Ah, crimes.  Well, crimes can be laundered just like money.  The official ones often are (that's where politics comes in.)

Fairly certain there is a significant aspect of this occurring, after all, we are thinking of 70-80 years of interactions. Simply mistakes have been made. Probably a lot of them. 

6. other organizational priorities

My fear is that such "other" priorities are, in fact, not those of our government exclusively... they can be religious, economic, and partisan, just to name a few.  "Sustainability" and "eugenics" comes to mind...

My question always returns to the idea of "Why?"  We are not even a species that is cohesive with each other; we are our own worst enemies, violently so.  Under what circumstance would it be 'useful' to engage such a species?  In the end, the only thing that ever broke the boundary in my imaginings is the purpose of exploitation (since we seem so willing to do it to each other anyway.)  Not my idea of a good scenario.

Not to follow other common sci-fi tropes, but it could be as simple as they are interested in our resources and have no concerns for humanity except possibly a negotiated percentage of human experiments. Or perhaps they need our animal-like savage instincts to fight on threat to them. Simply, as humanity explores the cosmos, I would imagine sooner or later we will try and have our dogs and cats a long for the ride. 

Maybe we are the pets, the experiment or maybe there were advanced civilizations before ours human or otherwise. Perhaps some of us come from off planet while others are from terra firma.

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[Raptured]

I am just thinking this is too many ex-military to be coming forward, after decades of denial. No more no less, could be complete disinformation, slow disclosure, or damage control. What other reason supports the now willingness of ex-military to come forward?

1000% my friend.    My thoughts exactly

[Maxmars]

When I think about it, it seems that the practices of the political appointees within the Intelligence communities are now casually abusing the trust they have been granted.  Information of any kind that falls under the heading of "classified" or "restricted" is available to them in the course of their 'assigned' responsibilities... but the process of making use of that information "outside" the work seems to be more important than the processes and rationale which made them classified in the first place...

So what do they do?  How can they use it?

In order to free it up for 'exploitation' the information must be declassified... a process that is structured to allow all pertinent affected offices and agencies to have input on it's declassification.  It takes a "justification" to be on record and someone has to "bear the burden of responsibility" for it's request to be released.  The information has to be reviewed by all parties, all of which must be formally identified and notified before the review can take place.  The intersection of communication must occur almost simultaneously, and each must respond.  All of this takes time, and must be diligently recorded...

Or,

They can just "leak" it.  Instantaneous and without consequence.  Just find or 'create' an individual to serve as "leaker" freeing the 'declassifier" from meaningful accountability.

Why do you think these "experts" seem to come out of nowhere to reveal what they have?  Who allowed that to happen, and why isn't it the subject of official review?

In short, it's because they are sourced from "political appointees" who are themselves practically unaccountable.  

Add to that the ridiculous perversion of 'declaring' them to be "journalists of media" who automatically are free to deny attributing their information source, and these "communications officers," "consultants," and "associates of intelligence services" are free-standing fonts of whatever they are selling under the guise of 'secrets.'

I have yet to see even ONE such person who I find unquestionably beyond doubt.  (Often, you can even infer their agenda easily.)

Were I in some magical universe where I was an investigator of such things... they should run away from me... I know what to ask... I know that world... it's never what you see in the media, (or worse, Hollywood.)

In the case of UAP/UFO topics I have a hypothesis... it's the money.  More money.  For contracting defense entities mostly... Since they own the media outright... it fits the bill (pun intended.)

[putnam6]

Not my debate position, which was hard to be so paranoid and nihilistic on.

Well, your argument was increasingly effective, though I think that time has passed, as you do. There is no need to worry about Alien or NHI contact because we are likely up to our armpits with NHI/Alien contact issues. 

It's not difficult to insert ourselves into several of our sci-fi movie tropes, which include a Stargate theory. Hell, we could be in several different scenarios to varying degrees. 

the concept of there possibly being something akin to a Stargate left by a previous intelligent species. Like "The Ancients". Like Antarctica may have found an ancient something, not dissimilar from the debunked Boyd expedition. Maybe. Possibly.

This Boyd expedition? damn, I never heard of her, sometimes I think Ive been put on a different timeline. Ive read a decent amount about polar expeditions, especially in the context of WWII. well here's another book to read


 

I listened to a Coast2Coast interview like 15 years ago where the former Canadian Defence Minister was musing on how the Galactic Federation gets a live feed of the Olympics, because it's the only part of our social geopolitical interaction they really like.

Canada's ex-defense minister: Aliens would give us more tech if we'd stop wars

Paul Hellyer, who has long insisted that aliens have visited Earth for many years, says that when aliens saw the atomic bomb they decided that we were a great threat to the cosmos.

 

it was solidified when a girlfriend described the ComicCon Stargate SG-1 panel she went too.

It wasn't your typical audience. It was half military people in Uniform, and a crazy number of USAF and Navy. It's like the only show ever that has made "top secret classification" positive. For once its not a narrative of an oppressive top secret world. The one that says, "Maybe there really is more going on, and though you cant know, it's actually in the greater good."

Hmmm If it was San Diego Comic Con, it makes sense loads of the military would casually attend. Still, it also makes sense that the military would like to use a Hollywood production to gauge societal responses to such a story. I always pondered that if there were an Atlantis perhaps that is where a potential "Stargate" was and we lost it, either accidently or the sinking of Atlantis was deliberate. I could easily see the Navy being involved after all lots of UFOs, UAPs, USOs accounts were ran through the Office of Naval Intelligence. Still are IIRC
 

I believe in silencers and agents in black. But like the positive endings in Stargate I believe even the classified has a common underlying desire to rather see subjective good topple subjective evil. Even top secret ones.

I don't like seeing the government as my nefarious enemy and prefer to believe "The nobblest good embiggens" like every copy/paste government motto suggests.

And that's a more natural point for me to take. Because it doesn't defer to a fuck the world mentality.

If I had to force this topic into a theory it would be partially in the Men in Black scenario, in as it is constantly and chaotically interacting with various entities some good and some not. I do hope our military is in charge, I could see where Aliens/NHI would be above our petty humanistic squabbles. Perhaps so much so to our detriment. I can casually mention human abduction and experiment cases with a modicum of detachment. Whereas if it happened to me personally I would be terrified and feel violated AF.

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