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02-15-2026, 12:57 PM
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02-15-2026, 01:52 PM
This post was last modified: 02-15-2026, 02:01 PM by putnam6. 
(02-15-2026, 11:47 AM)Vermilion Wrote: Nobody trusted the government before this. LoL
You can thank Trump for shrinking it.
Exactly, growing up "Nixon" with 4 TV stations total, between WATERGATE and Vietnam protests, I never trusted the government
It was my upbringing, my Dad was apolitical, like he told me when we watched Nixon get on Marine One and after he resigned
I asked him, "What does that mean for us?"
He said, "Absolutely nothing, tomorrow you have school, I have work, just like we did before."
He was correct, and the older I get, the more I realize how correct he was
Most are crooked, some are just better at it than others...
Until we address
our elections
our 2-party system
term limits
PACs
an lobbyists
It's a system that's ripe for corruption and graft...
There is not one good damn reason why 2 candidates should have to raise and spend 2 billion dollars, and we still get shit candidates.
https://x.com/i/grok/share/134564a546874...f490df61a4
Quote:Here are the top 3 most notable scandals (or major controversies) associated with each U.S. President since Richard Nixon (1969–1974), based on historical consensus from sources like Wikipedia's federal scandals list, Britannica, and various historical overviews. These focus on those that most significantly impacted the presidency, public perception, or led to investigations/impeachment/resignation. Note that "top" is subjective—often based on scale, consequences, and media attention—but these are widely regarded as the most prominent.
Richard Nixon (1969–1974)
1. Watergate scandal — The break-in at Democratic National Committee headquarters, followed by a massive cover-up involving obstruction of justice, hush money, and abuse of power; it forced Nixon to become the only U.S. president to resign to avoid impeachment.
2. Spiro Agnew resignation — Nixon's vice president resigned after pleading no contest to tax evasion tied to bribery and corruption from his time as Maryland governor.
3. Saturday Night Massacre — Nixon fired special prosecutor Archibald Cox and caused resignations in the Justice Department amid Watergate probes, intensifying the crisis.
Gerald Ford (1974–1977)
1. Pardon of Richard Nixon — Ford's full pardon for any crimes Nixon may have committed during Watergate was highly controversial and widely seen as contributing to Ford's 1976 election loss.
2. Mayaguez incident — A military operation to rescue a seized U.S. ship involved questionable decisions and high casualties, criticized as an overreach.
(Ford had relatively few major scandals; his brief term focused more on healing post-Watergate.)
Jimmy Carter (1977–1981)
1. Billy Carter's Libya ties — Carter's brother Billy registered as a foreign agent for Libya and received loans, leading to investigations (though no direct presidential wrongdoing).
2. Bert Lance affair — OMB director (and close friend) resigned amid allegations of banking irregularities and conflicts of interest.
(Carter's administration was relatively scandal-light compared to others, with emphasis on ethical reforms.)
Ronald Reagan (1981–1989)
1. Iran-Contra affair — Secret sales of arms to Iran (despite an embargo) to fund Nicaraguan Contras (despite congressional bans), involving a shadow operation and cover-up attempts.
2. HUD scandal — Corruption and influence-peddling in the Department of Housing and Urban Development.
3. Savings and Loan crisis — Deregulation contributed to widespread failures; some Reagan associates were implicated in related fraud.
George H.W. Bush (1989–1993)
1. Iran-Contra pardons — Bush pardoned several figures involved in the Reagan-era scandal, raising questions of cover-up.
2. Clarence Thomas confirmation hearings — Highly contentious Supreme Court nomination amid sexual harassment allegations against Thomas.
(Bush's single term had limited personal scandals.)
Bill Clinton (1993–2001)
1. Monica Lewinsky scandal — Affair with White House intern leading to perjury and obstruction of justice charges; resulted in impeachment (acquitted by Senate).
2. Whitewater investigation — Real estate dealings from Arkansas era expanded into broader probes (including Lewinsky).
3. Pardons controversy — Last-minute pardons (e.g., Marc Rich) drew accusations of favoritism.
George W. Bush (2001–2009)
1. Iraq WMD claims / intelligence failures — Justification for the Iraq War based on flawed intelligence about weapons of mass destruction.
2. Abu Ghraib torture scandal — Prisoner abuse by U.S. forces in Iraq, raising questions about administration policies.
3. Valerie Plame affair — Leak of CIA agent's identity, leading to convictions (e.g., Scooter Libby).
Barack Obama (2009–2017)
1. Fast and Furious operation — ATF gun-tracking program that lost weapons to cartels, leading to congressional contempt findings.
2. Benghazi attack — Handling of the 2012 Libya consulate attack and initial explanations.
3. IRS targeting controversy — Alleged scrutiny of conservative groups seeking tax-exempt status.
Donald Trump (2017–2021)
1. Ukraine call / first impeachment — Pressure on Ukraine to investigate political rivals, leading to impeachment for abuse of power and obstruction (acquitted by Senate).
2. January 6 Capitol attack / second impeachment — Alleged incitement of insurrection after 2020 election challenges.
3. Hush money payments / fraud conviction — 2024 conviction on 34 felony counts related to falsifying records to cover up payments (e.g., to Stormy Daniels).
Joe Biden (2021–present, as of 2026)
1. Hunter Biden investigations — Business dealings and laptop contents raising influence-peddling questions (ongoing probes, no direct presidential charges).
2. Afghanistan withdrawal — Chaotic 2021 pullout, including Kabul airport attack.
3. Classified documents case — Retention of documents post-vice presidency (special counsel found no charges warranted).
Quote:The Jeffrey Epstein scandal—involving the late financier's sex trafficking of minors and his connections to powerful figures—has been a major controversy, especially since Epstein's 2019 arrest and death. It hasn't directly risen to a "top 3 scandal" level for most presidents in the same way as Watergate, Iran-Contra, or impeachments, largely because no sitting or former president has been credibly accused of direct involvement in Epstein's crimes (e.g., no charges, no proven participation in abuse). Associations are mostly social, flight logs, photos, or mentions in unsealed documents/flight records, with denials of knowledge of wrongdoing.
That said, the scandal has generated significant media and public scrutiny for certain presidents due to documented ties. Here's how it factors (or doesn't) into the post-Nixon list, based on historical impact, document releases (including recent 2025-2026 DOJ/Epstein Files Transparency Act batches), and consensus:
• Bill Clinton (1993–2001): Epstein ties are among his most persistent post-presidency controversies. Flight logs show multiple trips on Epstein's plane (e.g., to Africa for Clinton Foundation work), White House visits in the 1990s, photos together, and frequent mentions in unsealed files (e.g., Epstein allegedly said "Clinton likes them young"). No accusations of abuse against Clinton, and he cut ties before Epstein's crimes became public. This often ranks as a lingering "scandal" for him, alongside Lewinsky/Whitewater/impeachment and pardons—sometimes displacing or tying with one of the top 3.
• Donald Trump (2017–2021, and current term as of 2026): Long social friendship in the 1980s-2000s (Palm Beach circles, Mar-a-Lago events, photos/videos from 1990s parties). Flight logs show some travel; Epstein claimed close friendship in recordings. They had a falling out around 2004-2007 (over real estate or other disputes; Trump banned him from Mar-a-Lago). Trump has denied wrongdoing or knowledge of crimes, calling Epstein a "creep." Recent file releases mention Trump thousands of times (often in context of past ties), fueling ongoing debate. This has been amplified in his presidencies, sometimes listed among his controversies (e.g., alongside impeachments, January 6, hush money). It arguably ranks in his top controversies now, especially with 2025-2026 releases.
• Other presidents: Minimal or no meaningful direct ties that rise to scandal level.
• George H.W. Bush, George W. Bush, Barack Obama, Jimmy Carter, Gerald Ford, Ronald Reagan: Occasional mentions in broad "Epstein files" lists (e.g., unverified or tangential references, like names in massive releases), but no substantial associations, flights, photos, or allegations tied to Epstein's crimes. No major scandal impact.
• Joe Biden: No notable connections in released materials.
In my original list, I focused on scandals with direct presidential/administration consequences (investigations, impeachments, resignations, policy fallout). Epstein doesn't crack the "top 3" for most because it's more association-based than proven misconduct by the presidents themselves. For Clinton and Trump, though, it's frequently cited as a major ongoing controversy in media and public discourse, especially post-document dumps.
If you're asking why it wasn't included initially: It didn't eclipse the core ones like impeachments or major policy/intelligence failures for most, but yes—it's a notable shadow for Clinton and Trump specifically.
His mind was not for rent to any god or government
Always hopeful yet discontent, knows changes aren't permanent
But change is
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Basically...
https://x.com/mboyle1/status/2023052730252616028?s=20
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We are basically at a point now where the entire Democrat narrative around Epstein Files has collapsed.
First off, the two biggest names to go down are very plugged in Democrats — Barack Obama’s White House counsel Kathy Ruemmler and Democrat megadonor Casey Wasserman.
Secondly, the files have exposed how much of a scumbag we all knew Reid Hoffman to be.
Thirdly, the Clintons have all sorts of legal exposure too and are being forced to testify before Congress or face contempt — astonishing for a former president and a former presidential nominee/secretary of state/senator/First Lady.
Fourthly, Ro Khanna clearly abused the speech and debate clause of the Constitution to falsely accuse four people of wrongdoing here and he is under serious criticism.
Fifthly, the cherry on top: they have revealed that President Trump called the cops on Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell way earlier than people realized thereby confirming the president’s story on how he cut them off very early before Epstein even faced serious liability legally.
Sure there have been some embarrassments for Trumpworld in there — Lutnick stuff for instance — but this is overall shaping out to be a massive loss for the Dems and establishment media.
His mind was not for rent to any god or government
Always hopeful yet discontent, knows changes aren't permanent
But change is
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(02-15-2026, 11:59 AM)Oldcarpy2 Wrote: Did she?
My bad, she's on the list and I kneejerked.
Sorry.
Doesn't mean she didn't visit the island though.
Wisdom knocks quietly, always listen carefully.... and be a River flowing calmly.
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(02-15-2026, 02:35 PM)Nerb Wrote: My bad, she's on the list and I kneejerked.
Sorry.
Doesn't mean she didn't visit the island though.
Fairly sure that she didn't.
'l'll just check my Giveashitometer....Nope. Nothing...
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02-15-2026, 02:43 PM
This post was last modified: 02-15-2026, 03:28 PM by cherokeetroy. 
(02-15-2026, 01:52 PM)putnam6 Wrote: Exactly, growing up "Nixon" with 4 TV stations total, between WATERGATE and Vietnam protests, I never trusted the government
It was my upbringing, my Dad was apolitical, like he told me when we watched Nixon get on Marine One and after he resigned
I asked him, "What does that mean for us?"
He said, "Absolutely nothing, tomorrow you have school, I have work, just like we did before."
He was correct, and the older I get, the more I realize how correct he was
Most are crooked, some are just better at it than others...
Until we address
our elections
our 2-party system
term limits
PACs
an lobbyists
It's a system that's ripe for corruption and graft...
There is not one good damn reason why 2 candidates should have to raise and spend 2 billion dollars, and we still get shit candidates.
https://x.com/i/grok/share/134564a546874...f490df61a4
True
People have always been skeptical of government
But people did trust order and rule of law enough to maintain the status quo
Every day --
Wake up, go to work, pay taxes...
fulfill obligations and obedience to a system that promises economic stability and a modicum of peace in return
But that was before social media went viral with posts and discussion about a government full of pedo murdering blood drinking cannibals
Nearly every platform besides Facebook and news station Fox News is talking about it nonstop
Demanding arrests
Imprisonment
Executions
Rage isn't dissipating
It's building
The belief "normies" once had that conspiracy theories about a secret cabal of baby eating satan worshippers weren't real...
Going
Going
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(02-15-2026, 02:40 PM)Oldcarpy2 Wrote: Fairly sure that she didn't.
We won’t really truly know until all the files are released, right? (Am I doing this whole mob mentality witch hunt thing correctly?)
She is very very fond of islands.
Like super fond, fond.
Islands with a ton of the world’s most famous pedos. (Savile, Falder, Huckle, Pakistani)
She was an island gal, herself.
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(02-15-2026, 03:36 PM)Vermilion Wrote: She was an island gal, herself.
Well, sometimes a gal just needs to get out of her skin and bask in the sun, away from prying eyes, you know?
That's understandable, right?
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(02-15-2026, 03:36 PM)Vermilion Wrote: We won’t really truly know until all the files are released, right? (Am I doing this whole mob mentality witch hunt thing correctly?)
I think you were doing it right when you cheered British politicians being outed and losing their jobs
Saying it was the cherry on top or whatever
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