Rant on Democrats

[ProfessorMeThis]

I'm not as eloquent as most of you but I have an opinion that I want to share a rant about.

I would very much enjoy seeing the likes of AOC, Jasmine Crockett, Maxine Waters and other female congress women be thrown into a dressing room and forced to change clothes in the presence of a transgender male.

I only have sons (4) but I have 6 granddaughters and 5 great-granddaughters.  I NEVER want them to have to experience anything close to this. 

I really don't want them to ever have to compete in an athletic competition against a transgender male as well.

If a male wishes to identify as a female and be a transgender, I don't care.  I believe that to be their right.  But it has to be limitations, doesn't there?  I don't want them in a restroom with my wife, daughters-in-law or the above mentioned granddaughters etc.

Some of you are way better than me in expressing viewpoints and ideas and I welcome them from both sides of this situation.

Thanks for your time

[Oldcarpy2]

I'm not as eloquent as most of you but I have an opinion that I want to share a rant about.

I would very much enjoy seeing the likes of AOC, Jasmine Crockett, Maxine Waters and other female congress women be thrown into a dressing room and forced to change clothes in the presence of a transgender male.

I only have sons (4) but I have 6 granddaughters and 5 great-granddaughters.  I NEVER want them to have to experience anything close to this. 

I really don't want them to ever have to compete in an athletic competition against a transgender male as well.

If a male wishes to identify as a female and be a transgender, I don't care.  I believe that to be their right.  But it has to be limitations, doesn't there?  I don't want them in a restroom with my wife, daughters-in-law or the above mentioned granddaughters etc.

Some of you are way better than me in expressing viewpoints and ideas and I welcome them from both sides of this situation.

Thanks for your time

I would tend to agree?

[IdeomotorPrisoner]

I'm not as eloquent as most of you but I have an opinion that I want to share a rant about.

I would very much enjoy seeing the likes of AOC, Jasmine Crockett, Maxine Waters and other female congress women be thrown into a dressing room and forced to change clothes in the presence of a transgender male.

I only have sons (4) but I have 6 granddaughters and 5 great-granddaughters.  I NEVER want them to have to experience anything close to this. 

I really don't want them to ever have to compete in an athletic competition against a transgender male as well.

If a male wishes to identify as a female and be a transgender, I don't care.  I believe that to be their right.  But it has to be limitations, doesn't there?  I don't want them in a restroom with my wife, daughters-in-law or the above mentioned granddaughters etc.

Some of you are way better than me in expressing viewpoints and ideas and I welcome them from both sides of this situation.

Thanks for your time

I don't want to cause a shock hemorrhage or anything, but my following comment may do as much. 

But a necessary exposition of reality none the less.

​​​​I am going to begin by guessing you've never been to a female-centric (but still all-inclusive) LGBT bar?  Want to guess what percentage of "the lesbians" are transgender? More than you'd think. And they don't exclusively pair off with each other either. Mostly, but not completely.

Some arrive and/or leave with biological female companions, friends, and partners, who are only attracted to them because they meet the criteria of female. Its more about the person for them anyway.  I had fun, though the "butch ones" are more likely to make an exception, and it's harder to tell them apart than you'd think when they do. 

And It's kind of a myth women mostly feel intimidated by transgender females or would be offended to share a bathroom, locker room, or even more with one. My only criticism is to just make sure they get an asterisk anointed gold metal in any competition, and the real one goes to fastest biological finisher, but that's about it for me. 

It may not even be half that care anymore. It's opposition has eroded over 20 years, and will likely continue through attempted rollbacks. 

Take for example the Wyoming ΚΚΓ chapter that at first proudly welcomed the transgender girl in and for months it was fine. Way more support than not, because they (mostly) connected with her as female.

Then Mean Girl tactics would prevail to make her a public scapegoat and conservative pariah. 

And though most knew these six girls were demonizing her and exaggerating about how she made "everyone uncomfortable", the conservative media portrayed it as a small minority forcing it's woke agenda, when in fact, they were the small minority clinging to dated values in conflict with the progressive leadership and inclusiveness desired by the sorority.

They wanted to have a high ranking transgender female in their organization. Like how Trump has a Scott Bessent. Same type of concept. It's good for PR. 

That Kappa Kappa Gamma made it that long is amazing in and of itself. They're the "almost Phi Beta Kappa" sorority, so it carries an inherent lesser debutant syndrome.

[AnAlternateOpinion]

I would very much enjoy seeing the likes of AOC, Jasmine Crockett, Maxine Waters and other female congress women be thrown into a dressing room and forced to change clothes in the presence of a transgender male.

Clearly. the mental picture of the transgender boogeyman has been painted in your mind as some man in a dress predator/pervert in a bad wig trope which is unfortunate but sadly, all too common among those who've never actually known someone transgender that have learned everything they know about this topic and formed their opinions based on salacious and hyperbolic stories promoted by conservative media's anti-trans rhetoric.

Are there some bad actors in the transgender community? Absolutely, there are bad actors in every community from priests to politicians but demonizing an entire demographic because of the few seems a bit short sighted and lacking any critical thought or understanding.

My guess is AOC and the like would be a lot more uncomfortable in the presence of a masculine looking transgender man who transitioned from female having a beard, deep voice and muscles or even a super butch lesbian in their changing room than a transgender woman? I know who would make me more uncomfortable.

Let me be clear, I am not defending "transgender ideology" here or making apology for the deluded creeps and weirdos but thinking the activists and ideologues are representative of the whole is not really thinking.

[Byrd]

I'm not as eloquent as most of you but I have an opinion that I want to share a rant about.

I would very much enjoy seeing the likes of AOC, Jasmine Crockett, Maxine Waters and other female congress women be thrown into a dressing room and forced to change clothes in the presence of a transgender male.

I only have sons (4) but I have 6 granddaughters and 5 great-granddaughters.  I NEVER want them to have to experience anything close to this. 

I really don't want them to ever have to compete in an athletic competition against a transgender male as well.

If a male wishes to identify as a female and be a transgender, I don't care.  I believe that to be their right.  But it has to be limitations, doesn't there?  I don't want them in a restroom with my wife, daughters-in-law or the above mentioned granddaughters etc.

Some of you are way better than me in expressing viewpoints and ideas and I welcome them from both sides of this situation.

Thanks for your time

What makes you think that transgender people change in the locker room?

And many women have been in the restroom with transgender women (and many have been there and didn't realize it.)  I've been in restrooms with transgender women, and it's a non-issue.

If a guy wants to flash women or assault them, why spend years and go to the huge expense and trouble of changing their name, buying a new wardrobe, paying for medical treatment and psychological treatment, buying hormones, and putting on layers of padding and strapping?    

Men often enter women's spaces to monitor them or educate them, but you seldom see the reverse (you'd have a man teach women's class about Biblical things but you don't see women teaching men's classes about Biblical things.) Men don't have to change their gender appearance to enter women's spaces.

And I don't doubt that the Democrat congresswomen have been around transgender women and even in the bathroom with them (as I recall, we have a transgender congresswoman and the only female who seems to have a problem with it is Marjorie Taylor Green.)

[ProfessorMeThis]

Thank you all for responding.  As I said, I'm not nearly as eloquent as most of you and I can say, after reading these replies, I have some thinking to do.  

While all your replies centered on the "dressing room" angle of my post I didn't read much regarding the sports competition angle.  Again, here is where my mind is currently so maybe further replies from you all will, again, provide me something to think about.  Having been quite active in high school sports with a dabble (short) in college, I have to wonder what kind of feeling of success does a transgender male get from winning a competition against girls?  Some of the things you said about the dressing room could, I suppose, have a role in this, but to me, when I won something I felt pretty good about it unless I felt I somehow had an advantage and was expected to win.  Especially the stories where a biological male had competed against boys without much success then suddenly compete against girls and win.

So, I hope those of you who responded initially come back and give me the same thought provoking responses.

[AnAlternateOpinion]

I appreciate your willingness and interest of listening to other points of view to learn more about this topic.

Transgender girls (being XY is implied) in sports competing against XX non-transgender girls (cisgender is the scientific term) is a lot more complicated than the media makes it out to be and the alleged physical advantages of transgender girls are not always the case.

As a long time deep researcher into the trans phenomenon and advocate for trans youth I am often out of step with the approved transgender narrative or so called ideology in many areas and this is one topic that I personally think both sides need to compromise on a bit. The trans side wants no restrictions and the other side wants a blanket ban and I don't believe either is the right solution.

On the surface, letting transgender girls compete against other girls seems like it would be unfair and unjust making it an easy cudgel to wield politically to fan the flames of anti-transgender sentiment but upon closer inspection, I will say again that it is complicated and really needs to be addressed case-by-case on an individual basis.

What science tells us about transgender athletes

The NCAA president has testified that out of 500,000 college student athletes that 10 or less are transgender illustrating that the threat of transgender girls in sports is blown widely out of proportion. Trans girl wins at a high school track meet in California and it’s plastered all over conservative media as some sort of a told-you-so own and it is hard to not be influenced but let’s dig deeper.

There are known social and psychological benefits to participating in sports such as developing team building and cooperation skills along with the camaraderie of fitting in and playing with your friends. Understandably, transgender kids and their parents don’t want them to be excluded from these same opportunities but in my opinion, at some point a line must be drawn.

For kids before puberty, the differences between boys and girls are minimal at best – let them play. For transgender girls who have the rare opportunity to undergo puberty suppression so they don’t develop male characteristics, any differences or physical advantages are negated and I believe they should be allowed to compete against other girls without question. Blanket bans against all transgender youth are therefore too restrictive and do not take into account individual situations.

On the other hand, transgender girls that have had or are undergoing the traditional changes brought through male puberty does raise issues for me particularly at the high school level and above. While cross-sex hormone therapies can reduce some of the physical advantages of post or mid puberty development that transgender girls may have over time, is that really enough? This is especially concerning when you consider that only 50% of trans youth seeking medical transition are able to obtain it and so called “gender affirming care” including hormones is completely banned for minors in 27 states.

In my state we had a special board to evaluate transgender girl’s eligibility to play in girl’s sports on an individual basis. Over the course of several years, six transgender girls went through this process and it was deemed as fair and well liked by both sides of the aisle and everyone was happy. Several years ago our legislation enacted a blanket ban on all transgender athletes regardless, even those who socially transitioned in early grade school and have never gone through male puberty so how is this fair to them?

As I’ve said twice before. It’s complicated!

[ProfessorMeThis]

Very well stated and again I thank you very much for the response.

You may already know the answer here, but something you stated really made me think.  I've not seen a headline regarding a transgender girl NOT winning a sporting competition.  I know there has to have been this situation but have you read anything in a newspaper or online?

I did not know enough to apply the situational treatment available for transgenders but I will look at this more closely, much more closely.

[AnAlternateOpinion]

You may already know the answer here, but something you stated really made me think.  I've not seen a headline regarding a transgender girl NOT winning a sporting competition.  I know there has to have been this situation but have you read anything in a newspaper or online?

Of course you haven't seen something like this. Why would the media put out a story that didn't fan the flames of outrage for the clicks and money or to reinforce a partisan anti-trans or anti-woke agenda?

Not to be political even though your thread specifically calls out Democrats, conservatives and radical religious factions need a scapegoat boogeyman to rally the faithful and the small 0.5% to 1% of the population that are transgender are a super vulnerable minority and therefore easy pickin's to aid in their divisive distraction.

And also of course, there are indeed many transgender youth athletes who aren't good enough to stand on the podium but those stories simply aren't newsworthy.

Think critically. Don't fall for the hysteria that making the already difficult lives of transgender and transsexual people even harder has anything to do at all with protecting the rights of women and girls when it is little more than very thinly disguised hate, disgust and bigotry.

[UltraBudgie]

Mens bathrooms are horrid. We could use an upgrade on cleanliness anyway.

This is true. It is so often a little germophobic game -- is it better to wash hands and have to touch the faucets and paper towel dispensers afterwards, or skip it and use an elbow to open the door? Covid really increased contact awareness. And women's bathrooms aren't much better I hear, they can try to hide it but they can be filthy creatures too. Although I've heard some of their restrooms have couches and potted plants, which doesn't seem fair. And women also have skirts and dresses that are more prone to touching the ground in a stall, yeck. No wonder they tend to hover more.