Raise The Colours Figure Accused of Making Indecent Images of Children

[quintessentone]

Maybe he is just into kids...

The thing about claiming it must have been ""other people"" who had access to the laptop and are responsible.

Is that the offences are alleged to have taken place back in March, 2021.

When "Raise the Colours" was not even a thing as far as i seem to recall. 

So God knows who all these people are that he alleges had access to the device.

I imagine they must be a very specific few.

Considering the UK was in a strict national lockdown throughout March of 2021.

It's odd that he keeps trying to figure out how that content ended up on his computer when he must know forensics can prove guilt one way or the other. 

Was his laptop bought used?

The group may not have formed in 2021, but these particular types of people could have still been meeting and doing who knows what type of sharing of data within that group.

There are so many questions that need answering.

I just watched a true crime video where police got a search warrant for an old man doing what he considered to be role playing with a mother and her underaged son and sending another discord used nude pics of himself and his wife.

The judge dismissed the role playing charges, which the perp said he thought was not really engaging in actual sexual acts. It boggles the mind.

[andy06shake]

It's most likely just an attempt at finding someone else to blame, but some years ago there was a man (I think it was in the UK) that was caught with child porn on his computer and said he was innocent and that it must have someone else to put it there. Forensic analysis found that he did have a trojan horse (or something like it) on his computer so it was not possible to be sure who had been responsible for the images.

Edited to add link. It was 23 years ago. Time does fly...
Trojan defence clears man on child porn charges

As far as i understand it, a Trojan that quietly fetches kiddie porn images, in a way that leaves no other evidence, is relatively unlikely compared to the other explanations.

And i imagine even back then, investigators would have been all over the browsing history.

The download logs, file timestamps, and browser cache, the same way, they will all be over Ben Cullen's laptop.

The system probably showed signs of compromise.

[IDELB2006]

As far as i understand it, a Trojan that quietly fetches kiddie porn images, in a way that leaves no other evidence, is relatively unlikely compared to the other explanations.

And i imagine even back then, investigators would have been all over the browsing history.

The download logs, file timestamps, and browser cache, the same way, they will all be over Ben Cullen's laptop.

The system probably showed signs of compromise.

When I was on jury duty more than 15 years ago, we were told that the forensic analysis of an individuals hard drive showed them which sites he visited, and how long he spent looking at each page or image. 
No doubt they are capable of collecting even more info now.

[andy06shake]

When I was on jury duty more than 15 years ago, we were told that the forensic analysis of an individuals hard drive showed them which sites he visited, and how long he spent looking at each page or image. 
No doubt they are capable of collecting even more info now.

Exactly...

And they are hardly likely to prosecute the fella.

If they do not have evidence that can secure a conviction.

Otherwise, the case would never have made court...

[BeyondKnowledge]

I question the stated time of the AI made images. Does the quality of the images available 5 years ago match the images in question? 

Lots of extra fingers, arms, legs, lim joints, etc..  At that time, the quality was no where near what it is now.

Someone will have to make a judgment call on this one. I don't really trust the history of that kind of judgment in that country.  They do tend to silence their political rivals by means of law.  Jailed for talking bad about the government on the internet comes to mind. 

I am not ready to condim the accused yet. It very well could be planted evidence.

And this is not about just downloading kiddy porn images, they are claiming he made them with AI. Was that possible 5 years ago with his knowledge and what was available then?

[andy06shake]

I question the stated time of the AI made images. Does the quality of the images available 5 years ago match the images in question? 

Lots of extra fingers, arms, legs, lim joints, etc..  At that time, the quality was no where near what it is now.

Someone will have to make a judgment call on this one. I don't really trust the history of that kind of judgment in that country.  They do tend to silence their political rivals by means of law.  Jailed for talking bad about the government on the internet comes to mind. 

I am not ready to condim the accused yet. It very well could be planted evidence.

And this is not about just downloading kiddy porn images, they are claiming he made them with AI. Was that possible 5 years ago with his knowledge and what was available then?

You don't need to trust our legal system, BeyondKnowledge, but the people who reside in the UK need to abide by the law of the land.

I agree that AI was in its infancy back in 2021.

But the charge actually says "images made using AI or graphics tools" so...

They would not prosecute without any evidence because the judge would simply fling the case out of court.

At the end of the day, it will be a judge and jury that makes the call as to the determination of his innocence or guilt.

AI tools available at the time would seem to include "Dall-E" "Vqgan+Clip" "Artbreeder" "Runway ML" "DeepAI Text to Image."

The image creation tools available are extensive, including the likes of "Adobe Photoshop", "GIMP", "Affinity Photo", etc...

As to your implication that we silence political rivals by means of law here in the UK, i would point out he's not a politician. 

And considering the kind of crap Trump has perpetrated and his weaponization of the DOJ to go after political opponents and naysayers, it might be best to find a mirror. 

Just keep in mind that this clown's story has gone from it being "the repair shop planted the images on the hard drive" to "lots of people had access to my laptop at the time" while we were all in COVID 19 lockdown. 

It's not a good look...

Then there is the fact that "Raise the Colours" is distancing itself from him.

And people like Tommy Robinson are coming away with lies like "Ive never met the c#nt" even though he's been pictured with Cullen on numerous occasions.

You would imagine if they thought he was innocent, they would be closing ranks, and standing behind him as opposed to disavowing him and running for the hills. 

Again, it's not a good look...

[ArMaP]

When I was on jury duty more than 15 years ago, we were told that the forensic analysis of an individuals hard drive showed them which sites he visited, and how long he spent looking at each page or image. 
No doubt they are capable of collecting even more info now.

They cannot know how long someone looked at a page, only when they moved to the next one.
And there isn't much more they can know now, as that's the only information they can get from the computer's disks.

[IDELB2006]

They cannot know how long someone looked at a page, only when they moved to the next one.
And there isn't much more they can know now, as that's the only information they can get from the computer's disks.

That doesn't surprise me. The DA and the assistants were a little difficult to believe at times.

[quintessentone]

You don't need to trust our legal system, BeyondKnowledge, but the people who reside in the UK need to abide by the law of the land.

I agree that AI was in its infancy back in 2021.

But the charge actually says "images made using AI or graphics tools" so...

They would not prosecute without any evidence because the judge would simply fling the case out of court.

At the end of the day, it will be a judge and jury that makes the call as to the determination of his innocence or guilt.

AI tools available at the time would seem to include "Dall-E" "Vqgan+Clip" "Artbreeder" "Runway ML" "DeepAI Text to Image."

The image creation tools available are extensive, including the likes of "Adobe Photoshop", "GIMP", "Affinity Photo", etc...

As to your implication that we silence political rivals by means of law here in the UK, i would point out he's not a politician. 

And considering the kind of crap Trump has perpetrated and his weaponization of your DOJ to go after political opponents and naysayers, it might be best to find a mirror. 

Just keep in mind that this clown's story has gone from it being "the repair shop planted the images on the hard drive" to "lots of people had access to my laptop at the time" while we were all in COVID 19 lockdown. 

It's not a good look...

Then there is the fact that "Raise the Colours" is distancing itself from him.

And people like Tommy Robinson are coming away with lies like "Ive never met the c#nt" even though he's been pictured with Cullen on numerous occasions.

You would imagine if they thought he was innocent, they would be closing ranks, and standing behind him as opposed to disavowing him and running for the hills. 

Again, it's not a good look...

If investigators are unsure of original intent of the crime then of course it will be moved to a court to fact find.

If the fantasy or deviant art does not depict an actual living person, then how is a crime committed? The creator may be considered as a sexual deviant, but has actually not harmed anyone. Not yet? Can someone be labelled a a sex offender through their deviant art?

As I mentioned with the case of that guy on Discord, role-playing with a mother and her underaged son, the judge dismissed all five charges because the defendant asserted that it was just fantasy role play and nothing more and they could not prove that it was not. He was, however, charged for sharing nude photos of himself and his wife.

[andy06shake]

If investigators are unsure of original intent of the crime then of course it will be moved to a court to fact find.

If the fantasy or deviant art does not depict an actual living person, then how is a crime committed? The creator may be considered as a sexual deviant, but has actually not harmed anyone. Not yet? Can someone be labelled a a sex offender through their deviant art?

As I mentioned with the case of that guy on Discord, role-playing with a mother and her underaged son, the judge dismissed all five charges because the defendant asserted that it was just fantasy role play and nothing more and they could not prove that it was not. He was, however, charged for sharing nude photos of himself and his wife.

From what i can establish, the law in the UK.

In particular, "the Protection of Children Act 1978 and Criminal Justice and Immigration Act 2008."

Covers indecent or prohibited images of children, which can include drawings or digital art.

And possession alone can be deemed an offence, even without a real victim.

Our courts assess the intent and the evidence.

And people can indeed still be placed on the sex offender register if they are convicted.

My own opinion on the matter would be that people who choose to create fantasy kiddie porn images.

Are in the same boat as those who choose to view or participate in the real sorts.

They are apt to eventually act out or graduate to committing crimes of sexual depravity in the real world.