REDRAWING THE MAP Ukraine could be carved up like Germany

[xuenchen]

U.S. special envoy Keith Kellogg has come up with a wild LuLu about Ukraine getting chopped up like Germany and Berlin after WW2! 

My only question is where will The Brandenburgskyy Gate be? 

REDRAWING THE MAP Ukraine could be carved up like Germany after World War 2 after peace deal with Russia, says Trump’s envoy Kellogg

 
This would mean acknowledging the 20 per cent of Ukraine's eastern land that Russia has already occupied as under Putin's control.
 
Between the two sides would be Ukrainian forces, operating behind a roughly 18-mile wide demilitarised zone (DMZ).
 
Kellogg, 80, said the Anglo-French-led force west of the Dnipro would "not be provocative at all" to Vladimir Putin's regime.
 
The general, who has been a leading figure in US efforts to end Russia's war, added that Ukraine was big enough to accommodate several armies to enforce a ceasefire.
 

[Anna]

Russia already occupies that 20% of Ukrainian land. Ukrainians can't take it back so it will belong to Russia with or without Trump's approval. Putin doesn't take Trump's hissy fits seriously. He didn't agree to the proposed ceasefire. Neither is he going to accept the European military forces in Ukraine. It's been already said.

So what is Trump going to do? Oh we heard it. Impose sanctions. Only the sanctions have already been placed.

Trump has a soft spot for Putin. He never misses an opportunity to suck up to him. Putin knows that and he will exploit that to the end.

[putnam6]

Russia already occupies that 20% of Ukrainian land. Ukrainians can't take it back so it will belong to Russia with or without Trump's approval. Putin doesn't take Trump's hissy fits seriously. He didn't agree to the proposed ceasefire. Neither is he going to accept the European military forces in Ukraine. It's been already said.

So what is Trump going to do? Oh we heard it. Impose sanctions. Only the sanctions have already been placed.

Trump has a soft spot for Putin. He never misses an opportunity to suck up to him. Putin knows that and he will exploit that to the end.

FWIW it's supposed to be deeper sanctions targeting Russia's oil exports IIRC there would be some sting there but

OK, so respectfully how should Trump proceed? 

Generally or specifically it's obvious this can not proceed successfully in any other way for Ukraine, Russia is too large in the end the 7 to 1 advantage wins just as it was this obvious in the months preceding their SMO over 3 years ago, but they were sold on getting billions from the US in military and financial aid, it was too much money to turn down and it gave Ukraine a chance. I don't blame Ukraine I blame the US for pushing fighting instead of trying negotiations first. That said... 

To have negotiations you need a starting point a baseline, thats a lot of territory to give up, and in the end, it might not be that much.
I could easily foreign troops being there temporarily for 12-18 months making sure the peace holds and then having a gradual withdrawal

[Kwaka]

Looks like a reasonable start with how the situation is, NATO has green, Russia has red, the yellow in the middle is still entangled in the conflict going on.

For a ceasefire to work, it does require an acceptance by both sides of where the new lines will be.

[sahgwa]

Having confirmation of Ukraine losing Crimea totally would be a huge huge blow, after the 2014 Russian annexation. 
I am not sure if the Western Corporate owners errr allies will like to allow that.