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(08-14-2025, 02:05 PM)quintessentone Wrote: I think George Harrison had it figured out. As for me, I don't claim to know Jesus, I claim I try very hard to understand his teachings.
[Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AR4lpQWc...rt_radio=1] Quote:Hm, my Lord (Hare Krishna)
My, my, my Lord (Hare Krishna)
Oh hm, my sweet Lord (Krishna, Krishna)
Oh-uuh-uh (Hare Hare)
My Lord (Hare Hare)
Hm, hm (Guru Brahma)
Hm, hm (Guru Vishnu)
Hm, hm (Guru Devo)
Hm, hm (Maheśvaraḥ
My sweet Lord (Guru Sākṣāt)
My sweet Lord (Para Brahma)
My, my, my Lord (Tasmai Srī)
My, my, my, my Lord (Guru Namah)
My sweet Lord (Hare Rama)
One time in a Christian coffee house about 1973 a band started covering that Harrison song. The owner told them to please not sing the chorus.
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(08-14-2025, 02:26 PM)Bootless Wrote: One time in a Christian coffee house about 1973 a band started covering that Harrison song. The owner told them to please not sing the chorus.
Maybe the owner had a bad experience with Hare Khrishna (?) lol I mean they were everywhere in the '70s trying to recruit - they tried it on me too. lol
"The only journey is the one within."
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(08-14-2025, 02:35 PM)quintessentone Wrote: Maybe the owner had a bad experience with Hare Khrishna (?) lol I mean they were everywhere in the '70s trying to recruit - they tried it on me too. lol
i miss them at airports
it was fun to sit with them
while waiting to board
and eat a cinnabon
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(08-14-2025, 02:44 PM)UltraBudgie Wrote: i miss them at airports
it was fun to sit with them
while waiting to board
and eat a cinnabon
They were very nice people...it was tempting to go with them into the abyss.
"The only journey is the one within."
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(08-14-2025, 02:07 PM)UltraBudgie Wrote: and jesus spoke aramaic, was well versed in scriptures written in hebrew, and lived where koine greek was a major language too. oh and the speaking in tongues thing! so, all languages.  The reason I asked about languages is that some years ago, Christians assured me that he didn't speak Greek "pew, pew, spit, spit" because that was pagan.
So if Jesus was a 1st Century Galilean he would have definitely spoken Aramaic (Galilean accented).
As for Hebrew:
Quote:According to Dead Sea Scrolls archaeologist Yigael Yadin, Aramaic was the language of Hebrews until Simon Bar Kokhba's revolt (132 AD to 135 AD). Yadin noticed the shift from Aramaic to Hebrew in the documents he studied, which had been written during the time of the Bar Kokhba revolt. In his book, Bar Kokhba: The rediscovery of the legendary hero of the last Jewish Revolt Against Imperial Rome, Yigael Yadin notes, "It is interesting that the earlier documents are written in Aramaic while the later ones are in Hebrew. Possibly the change was made by a special decree of Bar Kokhba who wanted to restore Hebrew as the official language of the state".
wikipedia - Language of Jesus Hebrew was developed by Rabbi Akiva, who was a contemporary of Simon Bar Kokhba. He was actually on his way to Rome to petition that Simon be recognized as King of the Jews when the rebellion interfered with his plans.
But seriously, why not Greek? Why not Latin?
According to Christian Canon, speaking in tongues came 40 days after Jesus left, so no speaking in tongues for him.
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08-14-2025, 03:02 PM
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(08-14-2025, 02:05 PM)quintessentone Wrote: I think George Harrison had it figured out.
[Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AR4lpQWc...rt_radio=1]
Plagiarized!
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(08-14-2025, 02:54 PM)Bootless Wrote: The reason I asked about languages is that some years ago, Christians assured me that he didn't speak Greek "pew, pew, spit, spit" because that was pagan.
So if Jesus was a 1st Century Galilean he would have definitely spoken Aramaic (Galilean accented).
As for Hebrew:
Hebrew was developed by Rabbi Akiva, who was a contemporary of Simon Bar Kokhba. He was actually on his way to Rome to petition that Simon be recognized as King of the Jews when the rebellion interfered with his plans.
But seriously, why not Greek? Why not Latin?
According to Christian Canon, speaking in tongues came 40 days after Jesus left, so no speaking in tongues for him.
"Did the Romans in Jerusalem speak Latin? The Roman soldiers stationed in Jerusalem spoke Latin, but this was primarily for military administration purposes. Latin was not the common language among the local population, who spoke Aramaic and Greek. The language of instruction in schools and the language of prayer and Torah reading was Hebrew. Latin was used only by the Romans for army administration, while civil administration was conducted entirely in Greek. Inscriptions by non-Jews found in Israel were all in Greek, indicating that Latin was not widely spoken by the general populace in Jerusalem during the time of Jesus." (Wikipedia)
Doesn't it stand to reason if Latin and Greek were not widely spoken, yet still spoken by the non-general populace but Jesus has the charity of wealthy women, that a messiah that wanted to spread the word would speak multiple languages or learn all the languages?
There is archaeological proof, or rather alleged proof, that Jesus visited Egypt (the lost years?) when he was young, so maybe he picked up that language too (?)
"The only journey is the one within."
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(08-14-2025, 01:37 PM)Bootless Wrote: The title is shortened because, well, that's the way titles are.
The long title would be:
For those who claim that they know Jesus, sometimes called of Nazareth, or son of Mary, or son of God, or the Christ, or "that very wise Jewish rabbi who taught superior morals and ethics in 1st Century Judean province of Roman Empire"; I have some questions
1) How many languages could he speak, and/or read?
2) Did he believe that the Firmament was a thing, like as in dome over a flat Earth?
3) or did he perhaps adopt the Grecian notion (Ptolemaic) of Geocentrism?
4) Do you think that his ideas of heaven influenced his teaching about The Kingdom of Ouranos in any way?
5) What form of government did Jesus consider ideal?
If he entertained number two, then he was wrong.
"Yet so it is, we see the illiterate bulk of mankind that walk the high-road of plain common sense, and are governed by the dictates of nature, for the most part easy and undisturbed. To them nothing that is familiar appears unaccountable or difficult to comprehend."
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(08-14-2025, 03:05 PM)quintessentone Wrote: Doesn't it stand to reason if Latin and Greek were not widely spoken, yet still spoken by the non-general populace but Jesus has the charity of wealthy women, that a messiah that wanted to spread the word would speak multiple languages or learn all the languages? It is written that Jesus healed a centurion's servant in Capernaum. There is conversation between them. So either the centurion was the linguist who had learned Aramaic or Jesus spoke Greek.
Quote:
Quote:When Jesus had entered Capernaum, a centurion came to him, asking for help. "Lord," he said, "my servant lies at home paralyzed, suffering terribly." Jesus said to him, "Shall I come and heal him?" The centurion replied, "Lord, I do not deserve to have you come under my roof. But just say the word. For I myself am a man under authority, with soldiers under me. I tell this one, 'Go,' and he goes; and that one, 'Come,' and he comes. I say to my servant, 'Do this,' and he does it." When Jesus heard this, he was amazed and said to those following him, "Truly I tell you, I have not found anyone in Israel with such great faith. I say to you that many will come from the east and the west, and will take their places at the feast with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven. But the subjects of the kingdom will be thrown outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth." Then Jesus said to the centurion, "Go! Let it be done just as you believed it would." And his servant was healed at that very hour. — Matthew 8:5–13
More questions. Who was Jesus trying to reach? The World or "the lost sheep of Israel"? (Matthew 15:24-26)
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(08-14-2025, 03:14 PM)andy06shake Wrote: If he entertained number two, then he was wrong.
Would it be an evil thing to think that Jesus could have been mistaken about some things?
or
Is missing the mark (actual literal Greek meaning of sin) a sin?
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