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(08-14-2025, 01:37 PM)Bootless Wrote: 1) How many languages could he speak, and/or read?
2) Did he believe that the Firmament was a thing, like as in dome over a flat Earth?
3) or did he perhaps adopt the Grecian notion (Ptolemaic) of Geocentrism?
4) Do you think that his ideas of heaven influenced his teaching about The Kingdom of Ouranos in any way?
5) What form of government did Jesus consider ideal?
1 - Being God incarnate He understood all languages. He could write because he wrote in the dirt when people were trying to stone a woman to death. But he left nothing behind that is written by Him.
2 - There is nothing about what Jesus may or may not have said about 'the firmament'. Being God incarnate, He wouldn't have 'believed' something .. he would have KNOWN everything.
3 - Same answer as #2. Nothing was written about what, if anything, he may or may not have said about Geocentrism. Considering He came for spiritual reasons, I doubt if He said anything on this at all.
4 - He didn't have 'ideas of heaven' ... He had personal knowledge of it. He came down from Heaven.
5 - Jesus didn't speak about government. He didn't come for that. He came for spiritual reasons.
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(08-14-2025, 03:45 PM)quintessentone Wrote: Doesn't it stand to reason that a slave wouldn't speak multiple languages?
According to the bible, Jesus was born into a poor Jewish family under Roman occupation.
Meaning he lived in an oppressed society, but he wasn't legally owned by anyone.
He worked as a carpenter, but as far as i can establish, he was never a slave per se.
"Yet so it is, we see the illiterate bulk of mankind that walk the high-road of plain common sense, and are governed by the dictates of nature, for the most part easy and undisturbed. To them nothing that is familiar appears unaccountable or difficult to comprehend."
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08-15-2025, 05:45 AM
This post was last modified: 08-15-2025, 05:48 AM by FlyersFan. 
(08-14-2025, 03:59 PM)quintessentone Wrote: It is written that Jesus' ministry was accessible to a wide range of nationalities, whether or not they understood his ministry in one language, or he knew another language's word here and a phrase there to get his message across, is not fully known.
Incorrect, it IS fully known that Jesus knows all languages.
Scripture is clear. Jesus is God incarnate and God is omnipotent. Therefore, He not only knows ALL languages, but he knows what a person is thinking and what is on their soul as well. He knows what a person does in the 'privacy' of their own homes in the dark, as well as what they do in public. He knows all things.
Jesus is God incarnate -
John 10:30 “The Father and I are one.”
Philippians 2:5-6 “You must have the same attitude that Christ Jesus had. Though he was God, he did not think of equality with God as something to cling to.”
John 1:18 “No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known.“
Colossians 2:9-10 “For in him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily. and in Christ you have been brought to fullness. He is the head over every power and authority.“
John 10:33 “We are not stoning you for any good work,” they replied, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.“
John 1:1 “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.“ John 1:14 “And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.“
1 John 5:20 “And we know that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true; and we are in him who is true, in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life.“
John 20:27-28 “Then he said to Thomas, “Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe.” Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!”
2 Peter 1:1 “Simeon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who have obtained a faith of equal standing with ours by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ.“
Acts 20:28 “Keep watch over yourselves and all the flock of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers. Be shepherds of the church of God, which he bought with his own blood.“
And Jesus Himself claims the title of God (I AM) as used by God when conversing with Moses - John 8:57-58 “The people said, “You aren’t even fifty years old. How can you say you have seen Abraham?” Jesus answered, “I tell you the truth, before Abraham was even born, I Am!”
Worship belongs to God alone, and yet Jesus was worshipped - Matthew 2:1-2 “After Jesus was born in Bethlehem in Judea, during the time of King Herod, Magi from the east came to Jerusalem and asked, “Where is the one who has been born king of the Jews? We saw his star when it rose and have come to worship him.”
And again Jesus was worshipped as God - Matthew 28:8-9 “So the women hurried away from the tomb, afraid yet filled with joy, and ran to tell his disciples. Suddenly Jesus met them. “Greetings,” he said. They came to him, clasped his feet and worshiped him.“
And the angels of Heaven worshipped Jesus at the command of God the Father - worship is something that only God is to receive - Hebrews 1:6 And again, when God brings his firstborn into the world, he says, “Let all God’s angels worship him.”
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(08-14-2025, 03:44 PM)Bootless Wrote: Would it be an evil thing to think that Jesus could have been mistaken about some things?
According to scripture Jesus is God incarnate.
Therefore, He would be mistaken about nothing.
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(08-15-2025, 05:45 AM)FlyersFan Wrote: Incorrect, it IS fully known that Jesus knows all languages.
Scripture is clear. Jesus is God incarnate and God is omnipotent. Therefore, He not only knows ALL languages, but he knows what a person is thinking and what is on their soul as well. He knows what a person does in the 'privacy' of their own homes in the dark, as well as what they do in public. He knows all things.
Jesus is God incarnate -
John 10:30 “The Father and I are one.”
Philippians 2:5-6 “You must have the same attitude that Christ Jesus had. Though he was God, he did not think of equality with God as something to cling to.”
John 1:18 “No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known.“
Colossians 2:9-10 “For in him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily. and in Christ you have been brought to fullness. He is the head over every power and authority.“
John 10:33 “We are not stoning you for any good work,” they replied, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.“
John 1:1 “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.“ John 1:14 “And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.“
1 John 5:20 “And we know that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true; and we are in him who is true, in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life.“
John 20:27-28 “Then he said to Thomas, “Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe.” Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!”
2 Peter 1:1 “Simeon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who have obtained a faith of equal standing with ours by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ.“
Acts 20:28 “Keep watch over yourselves and all the flock of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers. Be shepherds of the church of God, which he bought with his own blood.“
And Jesus Himself claims the title of God (I AM) as used by God when conversing with Moses - John 8:57-58 “The people said, “You aren’t even fifty years old. How can you say you have seen Abraham?” Jesus answered, “I tell you the truth, before Abraham was even born, I Am!”
Worship belongs to God alone, and yet Jesus was worshipped - Matthew 2:1-2 “After Jesus was born in Bethlehem in Judea, during the time of King Herod, Magi from the east came to Jerusalem and asked, “Where is the one who has been born king of the Jews? We saw his star when it rose and have come to worship him.”
And again Jesus was worshipped as God - Matthew 28:8-9 “So the women hurried away from the tomb, afraid yet filled with joy, and ran to tell his disciples. Suddenly Jesus met them. “Greetings,” he said. They came to him, clasped his feet and worshiped him.“
And the angels of Heaven worshipped Jesus at the command of God the Father - worship is something that only God is to receive - Hebrews 1:6 And again, when God brings his firstborn into the world, he says, “Let all God’s angels worship him.”
None of those quotes specifically say he spoke multiple languages and it also does not specify which nationalities his audiences were.
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(08-15-2025, 04:46 AM)andy06shake Wrote: According to the bible, Jesus was born into a poor Jewish family under Roman occupation.
Meaning he lived in an oppressed society, but he wasn't legally owned by anyone.
He worked as a carpenter, but as far as i can establish, he was never a slave per se.
We weren't speaking about Jesus, rather the Centurion's slave in the previous post.
Let's not forget the lost years of Jesus when he and his family travelled around, maybe to Egypt as well.
"The only journey is the one within."
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(08-15-2025, 06:24 AM)quintessentone Wrote: We weren't speaking about Jesus, rather the Centurion's slave in the previous post.
Let's not forget the lost years of Jesus when he and his family travelled around, maybe to Egypt as well.
That would seem to make more sense.
Because no historical or biblical account describes Jesus as a literal slave.
And the kingdom of heaven is most definitely a monarchy, hence that would be his answer to question number 5.
As to the lost years of Jesus, as far as im aware, the Bible only briefly covers this period.
"Yet so it is, we see the illiterate bulk of mankind that walk the high-road of plain common sense, and are governed by the dictates of nature, for the most part easy and undisturbed. To them nothing that is familiar appears unaccountable or difficult to comprehend."
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08-15-2025, 06:39 AM
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(08-15-2025, 06:23 AM)quintessentone Wrote: None of those quotes specifically say he spoke multiple languages and it also does not specify which nationalities his audiences were.
It states that He is God incarnate.
God is omnipotent.
Obviously God would know all languages.
If He didn't, then He wouldn't be an omnipotent God.
Edited to add ... and the nationalities of the audience are irrelevant.
Jesus, being omnipotent God, knows all languages. He knows all thoughts.
He knows all hearts. He knows all souls. COMPLETELY.
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(08-15-2025, 06:39 AM)FlyersFan Wrote: It states that He is God incarnate.
God is omnipotent.
Obviously God would know all languages.
If He didn't, then He wouldn't be an omnipotent God.
What's obvious is that he could only speak the languages he learned or was taught.
After all, he was only a man, and not omnipotent here on Earth.
Possibly in essence, but not always in experience.
"But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father." Mark 13:32
"Yet so it is, we see the illiterate bulk of mankind that walk the high-road of plain common sense, and are governed by the dictates of nature, for the most part easy and undisturbed. To them nothing that is familiar appears unaccountable or difficult to comprehend."
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(08-15-2025, 06:36 AM)andy06shake Wrote: That would seem to make more sense.
Because no historical or biblical account describes Jesus as a literal slave.
And the kingdom of heaven is most definitely a monarchy, hence that would be his answer to question number 5.
As to the lost years of Jesus, as far as im aware, the Bible only briefly covers this period.
When I read the lost gospels, it is clear to me that Jesus' teachings are similar to Buddha's teachings.
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"Wary of all the attention, the now 14-year-old Jesus, aka Issa, leaves home. He “secretly absented himself from his father’s house” and “with the object of perfecting himself in the knowledge of the word of God” he makes his way to India. There, the priests of Brahma “welcomed him joyfully” and “taught him to read and understand the Vedas” and to “cure physical ills by means of prayers.”
Most interesting are the unique teachings of Jesus that are highlighted in The Life of Saint Issa, some of which may have been informed by his Buddhist and Hindu teachers. What follows are a few excerpts, rewritten in modern language."
Jesus, The Lost Years: Ages 12 To 29 | Tom Rapsas
"While the historical accuracy of Saint Issa's life as presented by Notovitch remains highly contested, the figure symbolizes a bridge between Eastern and Western spiritual traditions, inviting exploration into the broader context of Jesus' teachings and their potential influences from various cultures. The story of Saint Issa continues to be a subject of interest for those exploring the intersections of religion, history, and spirituality." (AI)
"The only journey is the one within."
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