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08-14-2025, 01:37 PM
This post was last modified: 08-14-2025, 01:52 PM by Bootless. 
The title is shortened because, well, that's the way titles are.
The long title would be:
For those who claim that they know Jesus, sometimes called of Nazareth, or son of Mary, or son of God, or the Christ, or "that very wise Jewish rabbi who taught superior morals and ethics in 1st Century Judean province of Roman Empire"; I have some questions
1) How many languages could he speak, and/or read?
2) Did he believe that the Firmament was a thing, like as in dome over a flat Earth?
3) or did he perhaps adopt the Grecian notion (Ptolemaic) of Geocentrism?
4) Do you think that his ideas of heaven influenced his teaching about The Kingdom of Ouranos in any way?
5) What form of government did Jesus consider ideal?
There's a reason you separate military and the police. One fights the enemies of the state, the other serves and protects the people. When the military becomes both, then the enemies of the state tend to become the people. - Commander William Adama
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Can't you just google these? What do you think, and do you have a point to make?
Here, I have pasted your questions and generated some AI-vomit!
Quote:I'll help you explore these intriguing questions about Jesus from a historical and scholarly perspective. Let me break down each of your questions:
Languages of Jesus
Jesus most likely spoke three languages:
Aramaic: His primary spoken language, which was the common language of the Jewish people in Judea at that time
Hebrew: Used in religious contexts, particularly for reading sacred texts in synagogues
Possibly some Koine Greek: The lingua franca of the Roman Empire, which would have been useful for trade and broader communication
Cosmological Understanding
Scriptural and Cultural Context
Jesus would have inherited the cosmological worldview prevalent in 1st century Jewish theological thought, which primarily aligned with the Hebrew Bible's description:
A flat Earth concept supported by the Genesis creation narrative
The Firmament was indeed understood as a solid dome separating waters above from waters below
Geocentric model was the standard understanding, consistent with Ptolemaic astronomical concepts
Theological Implications
It's crucial to understand that Jesus' teachings were not focused on correcting scientific misconceptions of his time. His primary message centered on spiritual transformation, ethical living, and the nature of God's kingdom.
The Kingdom of Ouranos (Heaven)
Jesus' conception of "The Kingdom" was multilayered:
Not primarily a physical place
A spiritual state of being
A transformative reality where divine principles operate
His teachings suggested that this "kingdom" could be:
Present in the moment
Emerging within human communities
A future spiritual condition
His cosmological understanding would have been shaped by:
Jewish apocalyptic traditions
Prophetic literature
Contemporary religious thought in 1st century Judea
Scholarly Perspective
Modern biblical scholars emphasize that Jesus was speaking metaphorically and spiritually, not providing a scientific blueprint of the universe. His references to heaven were about relationship, transformation, and divine presence, not astronomical details.
Would you be interested in exploring how Jesus' cultural and educational background might have influenced these conceptual frameworks? I'm happy to dive deeper into the historical context of his teachings and worldview.
Sorry if this sounds a little salty, just the way you asked those questions smacked of a rhetorical point being sharpened behind a false veil of inquisitiveness. Why not come right out and say it?
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If you ask Him yourself you’ll get a better answer.
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(08-14-2025, 01:46 PM)UltraBudgie Wrote: Why not come right out and say it?
I don't know Jesus, therefore I am disqualified from taking the quiz.
I was hoping that I could come up with follow up questions based on the answers.
oh, and AI doesn't qualify either.
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Oh okay. All good.
Hopefully we'll get a fun Flat-Earth-Jesus thread going!
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(08-14-2025, 01:37 PM)Bootless Wrote: The title is shortened because, well, that's the way titles are.
The long title would be:
For those who claim that they know Jesus, sometimes called of Nazareth, or son of Mary, or son of God, or the Christ, or "that very wise Jewish rabbi who taught superior morals and ethics in 1st Century Judean province of Roman Empire"; I have some questions
1) How many languages could he speak, and/or read?
2) Did he believe that the Firmament was a thing, like as in dome over a flat Earth?
3) or did he perhaps adopt the Grecian notion (Ptolemaic) of Geocentrism?
4) Do you think that his ideas of heaven influenced his teaching about The Kingdom of Ouranos in any way?
5) What form of government did Jesus consider ideal?
There is a book you can read quotes attributed to Jesus. The Bible something?
Looking forward to your book report.
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(08-14-2025, 01:57 PM)UltraBudgie Wrote: Hopefully we'll get a fun Flat-Earth-Jesus thread going! I hope not.
I saw how another poster's Jesus thread turned into a debate on reincarnation, including what to say to whom tutorial on avoiding it.
That was weird!!!
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08-14-2025, 02:05 PM
This post was last modified: 08-14-2025, 02:05 PM by quintessentone. 
(08-14-2025, 01:37 PM)Bootless Wrote: The title is shortened because, well, that's the way titles are.
The long title would be:
For those who claim that they know Jesus, sometimes called of Nazareth, or son of Mary, or son of God, or the Christ, or "that very wise Jewish rabbi who taught superior morals and ethics in 1st Century Judean province of Roman Empire"; I have some questions
1) How many languages could he speak, and/or read?
2) Did he believe that the Firmament was a thing, like as in dome over a flat Earth?
3) or did he perhaps adopt the Grecian notion (Ptolemaic) of Geocentrism?
4) Do you think that his ideas of heaven influenced his teaching about The Kingdom of Ouranos in any way?
5) What form of government did Jesus consider ideal?
I think George Harrison had it figured out. As for me, I don't claim to know Jesus, I claim I try very hard to understand his teachings.
"The only journey is the one within."
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(08-14-2025, 02:01 PM)Bootless Wrote: I hope not.
I saw how another poster's Jesus thread turned into a debate on reincarnation, including what to say to whom tutorial on avoiding it.
That was weird!!!
tbf that thread started right out with the op making the distinction between the god of earth (evil) and the god of heaven (good) which sort of inevitably leads in to the gnostic 'fellowprisoner' trope...
okay, doesn't the bible say something about the "corners" of the earth?
and jesus spoke aramaic, was well versed in scriptures written in hebrew, and lived where koine greek was a major language too. oh and the speaking in tongues thing! so, all languages.
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08-14-2025, 02:14 PM
This post was last modified: 08-14-2025, 02:17 PM by Bootless. 
(08-14-2025, 02:00 PM)WallFlowerActive Wrote: Looking forward to your book report.
Sorry. That raises some more questions:
The Story of Jesus at the Home of Martha and Mary:
Quote:Quote:As Jesus and his disciples were on their way, he came to a village where a woman named Martha opened her home to him. She had a sister called Mary, who sat at the Lord's feet listening to what he said. But Martha was distracted by all the preparations that had to be made. She came to him and asked, "Lord, don't you care that my sister has left me to do the work by myself? Tell her to help me!" "Martha, Martha," the Lord answered, "you are worried and upset about many things, but only one thing is needed. Mary has chosen what is better, and it will not be taken away from her." — Luke 10:38–42: New International Version
Do you think that Martha in the story should have quit fixing Jesus a meal, sat down at his feet, then once he realized he was hungry, and started looking for food, just replied "man does not live by bread alone"?
Or should she have said :"But only one thing is needed. Please continue speaking."?
There's a reason you separate military and the police. One fights the enemies of the state, the other serves and protects the people. When the military becomes both, then the enemies of the state tend to become the people. - Commander William Adama
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