Question about the Bible

[Redchad]

We know hardly anything about God but if he/it exists it is not found in the bible. If anything, we find in the bible many different seemingly superior beings named Elohim. in fact there are lots of Elohim, all of which have been mistranslated and called God or Gods. Ask any translator of ancient texts and writings, they will confirm the translation of Elohim is not known and has been argued about for thousands of years. It’s thought to have been leader, great one, judge, warrior, healer, teacher, farmer, lord, emperor king etc etc. One thing the bible does tell us, is that they are not Adamites and are mortal and do die but have exceptionally long lives. In the region in question there were many Elohim such as Chamosh Elohim of the Moabites, Rimmon the Damascus Elohim, Ashtoreth Elohim of the Ammonites all followed by various tribes, peoples or groups As the saying goes history is written by the victors, and seen as the only written record of the ancients is the bible then the line of Abraham became victorious. Their Elohim has a title which again is untranslatable, the word is a Tetragram something similar to a hieroglyph no one knows how it sounded when spoken as consonants were a later use in words. But yet again the ancient scholars made a word up which is commonly used today as YAHWEH. it is noticeable in the Bible that YAHWEH tells his followers to kill anyone even Moses told them to kill their brother, family and friends if they follow one of the other Elohim. So for thousands of years the Bible was the only source of ancient history. Up until the nineteenth century when man had educated himself enough to want the answer to the question of life and creation.  As a result archaeologists and historians began the investigation. One of the cities discovered was Ur in old Mesopotamia, Jews, Muslims and Christians (who know religious history) will know this as the birthplace of Abraham and the place where God (sorry not God another mistranslation) actually El Shaddai came to him in his tent in the form of a man and told him he was to gather his people and leave. The city of Ur we are told was occupied by the Sumerians when actually we don’t know who they were. They were named Sumerian later because the city of Ur is in Sumer. In 1835 John Taylor started excavating the city and found thousands of tablets written upon in cuneiform writing. Fortunately for us the Sumerian’s wrote everything down recipes, menus, building instructions, mathematics, maps of the stars, and their own creation story.  Surprisingly most followers of the Abrahamic religions will recognise much of the Sumerian creation story, the making of the Adamu a slave race, the Annunaki, nephillim, the women of men mixing with gods, giants and of course a flood story including doves and ravens. Only the hero of this flood is Utnapishtim not Noah and this flood came a thousand years before Judaism. They also make reference to a God who lives in the heavens (not heaven) this god has a wife and two sons unlike the bible. Enki & Enlil, it was Enlil who decided to destroy the earth with a flood. It was Enki that wanted to save mankind and instructed Utnapishtim to build a boat to save his family, other people and his animals (not two of every animal). Surprisingly modern man educated and intelligent still buys into the Bible narrative. Their ancient ancestors who put the texts together also knew the contradictions but the religious leaders basically said we’re going to pretend none of these contradictions occur and preach our story. Which brings us to the present with people still ignoring the facts and still pretending none of these contradictions are present. All the above information is available to anyone who looks, it does take a lot of time and effort to join the dots and the chapter above should be told at length but with the evidence to prove it would fill many books.

[Creaky]

I don’t subscribe to conspiracy theorists! I study facts and historical evidence for example the flood story. Only the real hero of the flood is Utnapishtim not Noah and this flood came a thousand years before Judaism and included doves and ravens.

That’s great, you are not forced to subscribe to anything to my knowledge
The (Hebrew) bible talks of a pre Abrahamic flood and included doves and ravens, synchronicity you think

Look, a huge list of cultures with a flood myth
https://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/flood-myths.html
Thats a lot isn’t it

Utnapishtim, hmm looks like another name for Noah
Utnapishtim (Akkadian: ??, meaning "he has found life") according to the ai overview
I wonder if that’s what Akkadian’s called him after he survived or was his birth name 

So great, you are suggesting that the OT copied other texts? 
not sure I believe that the older text is really older
And what if the two writings are just simply recording the same event, just like so many other cultures recorded it 
Just common remembered history
Maybe both stories are simply independently written accounts of the same myth

and just so you know, the flood is a “myth” you study myth…
Having to talk yourself up, why do that?

[Redchad]

I’m not sure what your reply is actually about, it’s as if you’re trying to fit square pegs into round holes. I stated I believe in facts and evidence. Considering the Old Testament was put together in 1200bc at the earliest of course, the flood was obviously pre Abrahamic! Doesn’t everyone know that? What is a fact as the evidence shows the flood occurred 2900bc according to flood deposits at Shuruppak. The earliest writings of the flood heros name is Utnapishtim and yes he has been known by other names Ziasudra or Atrahasis. But the earliest writings name him as Utnapishtim and that’s a fact. The name Noah came a thousand years later and academics believe the name Noah was used to remove the ambiguity of more than one god. Because Utnapishtim knew many gods (if that’s what you want to call them). Noah was an unknown name which would be good untraceable for the monotheistic religion. Bearing in mind the authors of Noah’s story couldn’t imagine 2 thousand years later evidence of the truth would be found and it’d all unravel. Of course the OT is copied from an earlier belief system. You can go and see for yourself the actual tablets with it written on in the British museum. Yes they are recording the same event but the OT has been amended to fit the monotheistic narrative at the time. Go and ask your pastor, priest or vicar whatever! First most people teaching religion in a formal basis have to have a degree in Theology. Ask your guide if he’s got the degree? If yes ask him what the source of the OT is! And he will tell you because they all learn it, that it is based on the Sumerian creation story. Then ask him why he or she why it’s not taught to the congregation! If he is honest he’ll tell you “the congregation don’t want to know “ they will complain about him.
As for myths whilst many myths are clearly fantastical, some ancient stories and legends have been revealed to have factual underpinnings. For example, the story of the sack of Troy, a key element of Greek mythology, is supported by archaeological evidence. Similarly, the idea of a celestial barrier protecting the Earth from the sun's heat, present in Norse mythology, aligns surprisingly. Isn’t all ancient history a myth till proven! You’ll be telling me next that Jesus Christ was from Nazareth lol.

[Sirius]

We know hardly anything about God but if he/it exists it is not found in the bible. If anything, we find in the bible many different seemingly superior beings named Elohim. in fact there are lots of Elohim, all of which have been mistranslated and called God or Gods. Ask any translator of ancient texts and writings, they will confirm the translation of Elohim is not known and has been argued about for thousands of years. It’s thought to have been leader, great one, judge, warrior, healer, teacher, farmer, lord, emperor king etc etc. One thing the bible does tell us, is that they are not Adamites and are mortal and do die but have exceptionally long lives. In the region in question there were many Elohim such as Chamosh Elohim of the Moabites, Rimmon the Damascus Elohim, Ashtoreth Elohim of the Ammonites all followed by various tribes, peoples or groups As the saying goes history is written by the victors, and seen as the only written record of the ancients is the bible then the line of Abraham became victorious. Their Elohim has a title which again is untranslatable, the word is a Tetragram something similar to a hieroglyph no one knows how it sounded when spoken as consonants were a later use in words. But yet again the ancient scholars made a word up which is commonly used today as YAHWEH. it is noticeable in the Bible that YAHWEH tells his followers to kill anyone even Moses told them to kill their brother, family and friends if they follow one of the other Elohim. So for thousands of years the Bible was the only source of ancient history. Up until the nineteenth century when man had educated himself enough to want the answer to the question of life and creation.  As a result archaeologists and historians began the investigation. One of the cities discovered was Ur in old Mesopotamia, Jews, Muslims and Christians (who know religious history) will know this as the birthplace of Abraham and the place where God (sorry not God another mistranslation) actually El Shaddai came to him in his tent in the form of a man and told him he was to gather his people and leave. The city of Ur we are told was occupied by the Sumerians when actually we don’t know who they were. They were named Sumerian later because the city of Ur is in Sumer. In 1835 John Taylor started excavating the city and found thousands of tablets written upon in cuneiform writing. Fortunately for us the Sumerian’s wrote everything down recipes, menus, building instructions, mathematics, maps of the stars, and their own creation story.  Surprisingly most followers of the Abrahamic religions will recognise much of the Sumerian creation story, the making of the Adamu a slave race, the Annunaki, nephillim, the women of men mixing with gods, giants and of course a flood story including doves and ravens. Only the hero of this flood is Utnapishtim not Noah and this flood came a thousand years before Judaism. They also make reference to a God who lives in the heavens (not heaven) this god has a wife and two sons unlike the bible. Enki & Enlil, it was Enlil who decided to destroy the earth with a flood. It was Enki that wanted to save mankind and instructed Utnapishtim to build a boat to save his family, other people and his animals (not two of every animal). Surprisingly modern man educated and intelligent still buys into the Bible narrative. Their ancient ancestors who put the texts together also knew the contradictions but the religious leaders basically said we’re going to pretend none of these contradictions occur and preach our story. Which brings us to the present with people still ignoring the facts and still pretending none of these contradictions are present. All the above information is available to anyone who looks, it does take a lot of time and effort to join the dots and the chapter above should be told at length but with the evidence to prove it would fill many books.

You said very interesting things but..."We"...you are supposed to have a relationship, you do not. What are you basing your evidence on that you are posting here?

[Redchad]

You said very interesting things but..."We"...you are supposed to have a relationship, you do not. What are you basing your evidence on that you are posting here?

I’m not sure what you’re trying to say in your first paragraph! Please elaborate. The evidence is available to everyone you just need to look for it. For example ask your vicar, reverend, priest church leader or whoever is your religious guide. If they have a degree in Theology, (modern day teachers in religious matters almost all have the Theology degree). If they have, ask him or her what the source material of the Old Testament is. not forgetting that at degree level the subject like a jigsaw is pulled apart and studied. He or she will tell you the source material is the Sumerian creation story. Or do your research and find an expert in ancient writings, they will tell you the bible today is nothing like the original or oldest texts because of wrong translation. For example,
 The Hebrew word almah is used in the Old Testament to describe young women.While often translated as "virgin," its primary meaning is "young woman". Then Parthenos While often translated as "virgin," parthenos can also mean a young woman, maiden, or even simply a woman in some contexts. The Greek translation of Isaiah 7:14, for example, uses parthenos to refer to the woman who will conceive, and this has been interpreted as a virgin birth. The Hebrew word bethulah is another term that can be translated as "virgin."However, bethulah can also refer to a woman who has been widowed or is no longer technically a virgin, but is still considered unmarried.

Importance of Context:
The meaning of "virgin" in ancient texts depends heavily on the specific context and the translator's interpretation. Some scholars argue that the concept of virginity was not as strictly defined in ancient times as it is today.

I’ve no doubt you’ve been taught to believe Mary was a virgin in the sense of never having sex before pregnancy, but sadly that’s not the case if so prove where it is written.

[Sirius]

I’m not sure what you’re trying to say in your first paragraph! Please elaborate. The evidence is available to everyone you just need to look for it. For example ask your vicar, reverend, priest church leader or whoever is your religious guide. If they have a degree in Theology, (modern day teachers in religious matters almost all have the Theology degree). If they have, ask him or her what the source material of the Old Testament is. not forgetting that at degree level the subject like a jigsaw is pulled apart and studied. He or she will tell you the source material is the Sumerian creation story. Or do your research and find an expert in ancient writings, they will tell you the bible today is nothing like the original or oldest texts because of wrong translation. For example,
 The Hebrew word almah is used in the Old Testament to describe young women.While often translated as "virgin," its primary meaning is "young woman". Then Parthenos While often translated as "virgin," parthenos can also mean a young woman, maiden, or even simply a woman in some contexts. The Greek translation of Isaiah 7:14, for example, uses parthenos to refer to the woman who will conceive, and this has been interpreted as a virgin birth. The Hebrew word bethulah is another term that can be translated as "virgin."However, bethulah can also refer to a woman who has been widowed or is no longer technically a virgin, but is still considered unmarried.

Importance of Context:
The meaning of "virgin" in ancient texts depends heavily on the specific context and the translator's interpretation. Some scholars argue that the concept of virginity was not as strictly defined in ancient times as it is today.

I’ve no doubt you’ve been taught to believe Mary was a virgin in the sense of never having sex before pregnancy, but sadly that’s not the case if so prove where it is written.

Did you speak or connect with any entities? NHI? gods whatever? Or are you basing everything on what other people are telling you?

[Redchad]

Did you speak or connect with any entities? NHI? gods whatever? Or are you basing everything on what other people are telling you?

Speak or connect with entities lol are you serious? No everything I’ve posted is as a result of research and study. I live in a world of facts and evidence, question everything look for supporting or corroborating evidence. Everything I posted is fact supported by evidence.

[Sirius]

Speak or connect with entities lol are you serious? No everything I’ve posted is as a result of research and study. I live in a world of facts and evidence, question everything look for supporting or corroborating evidence. Everything I posted is fact supported by evidence.

right, well good luck with that

[Sirius]

"say the lords prayer and repent" no!...yes I know this is cruel, but we all also know why you wont

what about this. meditate. no! I don't want breathe. to easy! stupid!

just look with your own eyes. huh, what, what does this even mean?

okay then, do some art, live a little, get stuff out, walk away from the screen and the books. noooooooooooooooo!

okay okay okay, just pray. noooooooooooo!

here is a basic magic spell. no!

here is an advanced magic spell with complicated programming, that will really fuck up your shit. no!

okay, here I will open the gates of hell. nope! i'm out.

Satan! I need some help over here!

try sex and drugs. yessssssssssssssssssssssssss!