Question about the Bible

[midicon]

I knew what you meant! About not needing a book to know right from wrong. Unfortunately the people who DO need a book or something to tell them right from wrong never seem to be into reading or listening. Hehehehehehehehe.

On being a single parent: I truly admired my dad he was my only parent and I really looked up to him because he was always looking out for me and my best interest putting me ahead of himself or anyone when a lot of kids I went to school with had single parents who were more caught up in themselves than worrying about their kids! So I'm sure you already know that your kids appreciate you SO MUCH!

Thank you for saying that Shoshanna!

[Creaky]

I think I initially reacted to this...

"Look at all the atheists who come into this thread ranting, moaning.
They don’t like us, our beliefs, we are a threat, the bible, Jesus is a threat!"

I hadn't seen anyone ranting or moaning, just you with that comment.

I don't have any self help books or anything of that nature. My self awareness remarks were really addressing your attitude nothing more. It was unbecoming of me but I'm only human.

I brought up three children as a single parent, without religion and they have turned out fine. That's why I made my first comment here. It's no big deal.

Well that’s great midi but, it’s not all about you
Other people need help, support and value learning from books, religious, self help or in whatever aspect of life they choose
You are just moaning at the bible as are most others who moan at it for whatever reason they choose
If it doesn’t work for you, if you don’t need it, great, fantastic, great your kids are balanced, well done, just absurd your generalisation bordering on self righteousness and arrogance about not needing a book, when historically people have used books for centuries to help and grow themselves
And the bible, well that represents itself, be it false or real in your mind, it has helped millions

It does depend how it is used

[Creaky]

I knew what you meant! About not needing a book to know right from wrong. Unfortunately the people who DO need a book or something to tell them right from wrong never seem to be into reading or listening. Hehehehehehehehe.

Awesome, can you explain what midi meant to me
Cos I am still at a loss

[midicon]

Awesome, can you explain what midi meant to me
Cos I am still at a loss

What are you at a loss about? I think I've been pretty clear about my opinion. I haven't attacked the bible. I just think for the most part we know right from wrong. We have empathy.

I'm at a loss as to what you are at a loss about lol.

[Creaky]

What are you at a loss about? I think I've been pretty clear about my opinion. I haven't attacked the bible. I just think for the most part we know right from wrong. We have empathy.

I'm at a loss as to what you are at a loss about lol.

You said 
“you don’t need a book” 
When I see millions of books on self help on growing, healing, finance and mental health ($13 billion industry)
And particularly when the thread is about the bible, guess you were just referring to every book? 

Just because you have it all together, seems a bit arrogant to dismiss others requirements because, you think you know better?

And when you say. “Most know right from wrong”, that’s pretty subjective isn’t it?
I doubt my right and wrong is the dame as yours 
surprised you can’t acknowledge that

empathy and compassion can be taught, from a book
Here is a link to a book on empathy and compassion (blog)
https://www.psychologytoday.com/au/blog/...-be-taught
https://www.readbrightly.com/books-that-...g-readers/
And I can say in my life, I know plenty of people who need a bit more empathy and compassion 

And finally, you must be living in a different world to me, people are for the most part, not nice and need a book (any help really) to learn from.
me as well

[midicon]

You said 
“you don’t need a book” 
When I see millions of books on self help on growing, healing, finance and mental health ($13 billion industry)
And particularly when the thread is about the bible, guess you were just referring to every book? 

Just because you have it all together, seems a bit arrogant to dismiss others requirements because, you think you know better?

And when you say. “Most know right from wrong”, that’s pretty subjective isn’t it?
I doubt my right and wrong is the dame as yours 
surprised you can’t acknowledge that

empathy and compassion can be taught, from a book
Here is a link to a book on empathy and compassion (blog)
https://www.psychologytoday.com/au/blog/...-be-taught
https://www.readbrightly.com/books-that-...g-readers/
And I can say in my life, I know plenty of people who need a bit more empathy and compassion 

And finally, you must be living in a different world to me, people are for the most part, not nice and need a book (any help really) to learn from.
me as well

Perhaps some people do need a book Creaky. I was really referring to our innate sense of empathy.

I grew up in a poor area with no religion, much the same as all the other kids. We all knew right from wrong despite having no religion.

I acknowledge your points and wish you well.

[Creaky]

Perhaps some people do need a book Creaky. I was really referring to our innate sense of empathy.

I grew up in a poor area with no religion, much the same as all the other kids. We all knew right from wrong despite having no religion.

I acknowledge your points and wish you well.

Similar to you, I grew up in a poor area with no religion with neglectful and abusive parents, I needed a book, the bible to become better than I was
And it doesn’t teach just morals and principles, it teaches love, compassion and empathy
And I had to live through a pretty crap life to get here

Have a wonderful day/evening or whatever time it is

[Nerb]

I just think for the most part we know right from wrong. We have empathy.

Naturally good people are Empathic. Learned and experienced people grow Empathy, but many don't have the ability and just don't care about others habitually.

Books didn't teach me that. Life experience did, because knowing right from wrong for many is retrospective and takes time. Empathy is a leader of a good self and a person's conscience regarding others needs.

And regarding books...many people may use "self help books" or a bible, using them for glancing at or to keep on a shelf shining a security from lessons learned or maybe they are there to help others, but do they NEED them? Maybe they are for describing the things that could help us in a more definative way in a very confusing world that often comes with a whole heap of disconfuddlmentism.

[argentus]

Perhaps I can clarify some of the above misunderstandings.   

I have always, and I mean ALWAYS, been confused as to why a supreme deity  would require us to worship Him.   Of course, I'm referring to the Holy Bible, and there's no equivocation -- God INSISTS upon us worshipping Him.   It confused me as a child, and it confuses me still.   Why would the owner of all universal works, the creator of the stars, dimensional strings, time, spacetime, dark matter, black holes, multiple galaxies -- undoubtedly filled with billions and billions of lifeforms who also question their existence -- even CARE if we worshipped Him?  

It makes me wonder if God -- whom I profess belief in -- is really the author of everything, or perhaps just the author of our wee, insignificant galaxy? 

SO. We are give at least a dozen documents, authored by people, professed to be divinely inspired, that craft very similar rules and morality for us to be guided by.   Some of those documents appear quite severe and controlling, and seem more to echo the culture which supports them. 

So, as to the above back-and-forth, perhaps if a person lives in a humble and kind way and doesn't kill/steal/lie/insult/disgrace/dishonor/manipulate*   others, they don't need a book for guidance.   Me, I think I need all the help I can get.  I'm fairly autonomous, but I will tell you that I've never been closer to God than in those moments when I was closest to death.   

Selah.

*list subject to change and/or addition

[Swada]

"Is it telling me to mellow out and not even worry about anything because it's all just chance whether it is rainy or sunny?"

Yes.   In Ecclesiastes 1:14 "I have seen all the works that are done under the sun, and behold, all is vanity, a striving after the wind and a feeding on wind".

If we exist in the past memories of our ego-mind thinking of people that have wrong us. Always thinking of revenge etc.  We are allowing our ego-mind to rule our being.  Instead we need exist in the present.  Experiencing everything as reflections and manifestations of Gods being and attributes. That only exist to mold us into realising our higher being.