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Question about the Bible
#31
(06-06-2025, 05:05 PM)argentus Wrote: Perhaps I can clarify some of the above misunderstandings.   

I have always, and I mean ALWAYS, been confused as to why a supreme deity  would require us to worship Him.   Of course, I'm referring to the Holy Bible, and there's no equivocation -- God INSISTS upon us worshipping Him.   It confused me as a child, and it confuses me still.   Why would the owner of all universal works, the creator of the stars, dimensional strings, time, spacetime, dark matter, black holes, multiple galaxies -- undoubtedly filled with billions and billions of lifeforms who also question their existence -- even CARE if we worshipped Him?  

It makes me wonder if God -- whom I profess belief in -- is really the author of everything, or perhaps just the author of our wee, insignificant galaxy? 

SO. We are give at least a dozen documents, authored by people, professed to be divinely inspired, that craft very similar rules and morality for us to be guided by.   Some of those documents appear quite severe and controlling, and seem more to echo the culture which supports them. 

So, as to the above back-and-forth, perhaps if a person lives in a humble and kind way and doesn't kill/steal/lie/insult/disgrace/dishonor/manipulate*   others, they don't need a book for guidance.   Me, I think I need all the help I can get.  I'm fairly autonomous, but I will tell you that I've never been closer to God than in those moments when I was closest to death.   

Selah.

*list subject to change and/or addition

Your looking at it wrong, God does not require our (believers) worship.
Believers need to worship God 
Your reasoning is backwards

As for those dozen severe and controlling documents, what severe and controlling documents are you reading? 
So I understand your view
#32
The word God is not in the bible! Go back to the original or oldest writings available which are written in Hebrew Greek and Aramaic and ask any translator of ancient writings and they will tell you the word God was introduced by Hebrew scribes as a coverall for the various names used by the deities in ancient times. It’s only in the 18th century that more ancient writings were found that confirmed the old names the deities had and the actual names used by these deities.
#33
(06-07-2025, 05:59 AM)Redchad Wrote: The word God is not in the bible! Go back to the original or oldest writings available which are written in Hebrew Greek and Aramaic and ask any translator of ancient writings and they will tell you the word God was introduced by Hebrew scribes as a coverall for the various names used by the deities in ancient times. It’s only in the 18th century that more ancient writings were found that confirmed the old names the deities had and the actual names used by these deities.

Also difficult to ignore that the language and events written in Genesis are quite openly and unarguably polytheistic. But of course that hasn't stopped thousands of years of ignoring and arguing the fact!
#34
(06-07-2025, 05:59 AM)Redchad Wrote: The word God is not in the bible! Go back to the original or oldest writings available which are written in Hebrew Greek and Aramaic and ask any translator of ancient writings and they will tell you the word God was introduced by Hebrew scribes as a coverall for the various names used by the deities in ancient times. It’s only in the 18th century that more ancient writings were found that confirmed the old names the deities had and the actual names used by these deities.

https://youtu.be/F7ngjtT43-4?si=MWsVJJ23BCeU-Of6


your comment is so ignorant it’s sad
Guessing you Missed the whole Billy Carson implosion, his argument is just like yours
Wes Huff made Billy look very below average intellectually in front of the whole world
missed that did you?
#35
(06-07-2025, 06:08 AM)UltraBudgie Wrote: Also difficult to ignore that the language and events written in Genesis are quite openly and unarguably polytheistic. But of course that hasn't stopped thousands of years of ignoring and arguing the fact!


Be interested to know where you think Genesis is talking polytheistic deities.
please
#36
(06-07-2025, 09:20 AM)Creaky Wrote: Be interested to know where you think Genesis is talking polytheistic deities.
please

YHVH (יְהוָה) is clearly one god among many, the writers didn't bother to paper over the polytheism in the Torah, that was left until later. The word often translated in English as "God", elohim (אֱלֹהִים), is in fact plural. The singular form is eloha (אֱלוֹהַּ).

For example, look at Genesis 3:22 (KVJ): "And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:"

"One of us"? Who are "us"? And who's he talking to? Who should behold?

What is translated here as "the LORD God", is the two-word phrase "יְהוָה אֱלֹהִים" -- YHVH of the elohim.
#37
(06-07-2025, 09:42 AM)UltraBudgie Wrote: YHVH (יְהוָה) is clearly one god among many, the writers didn't bother to paper over the polytheism in the Torah, that was left until later. The word often translated in English as "God", elohim (אֱלֹהִים), is in fact plural. The singular form is eloha (אֱלוֹהַּ).

For example, look at Genesis 3:22 (KVJ): "And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:"

"One of us"? Who are "us"? And who's he talking to? Who should behold?

What is translated here as "the LORD God", is the two-word phrase "יְהוָה אֱלֹהִים" -- YHVH of the elohim.

So “The Lord God” singular
“One of us” plural, is that it?
Christians consider that proof of Trinity
what else you got?
Thought this was going to be interesting
#38
(06-07-2025, 10:04 AM)Creaky Wrote: what else you got?
Thought this was going to be interesting

you know, i'm not trying to debate. it's not up to me to tell you what to think. Smile
#39
If you haven’t already, please find a Bible teaching church to attend in your area.  Even Jesus attended synagogue and as a believer myself I know that we are to gather with other believers.  

I try to go to church every Sunday unless I’m sick or out of town and going in church is often the highlight, so to speak, of my week. I look forward to going to church.

if anyone has such questions as this thread presents, reach out to your pastor or other Bible teachers in your church.
#40
(06-07-2025, 10:45 AM)UltraBudgie Wrote: you know, i'm not trying to debate. it's not up to me to tell you what to think. Smile


The Trinity is one of the few fundamental tenants of Christianity, based partly on that Genesis scripture proving the Trinity
Literally pointing to Jesus also being one with God and the Holy Spirit

If you haven’t grasped that and think your criticisms of the bible is valid?
You have absolutely no comprehension of scripture and how you could imagine you have anything of value to add with your “one god among many comment” indicates that-

I would never criticise Hinduism or Buddhism, simply because I don’t have a reasonably consistant grasp on their teachings, I would look foolish if I did



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