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[IdeomotorPrisoner]

Lol im not trying to argue im just trying to find the statistics you're presenting on your statements and am failing to do so and showing what im finding and what im finding is looking pretty similar between the IDF and the U.S. but I do understand where you're coming from on it and you can be my battle buddy anyday ^.^

I ask google.

There is a little over 100 marines in combat roles and 3,800 in Army combat roles.

https://www.military.com/daily-news/2024...uldnt.html

Even with a country 1/35th the population of The US and a much smaller active military force, they still have WAY MORE in combat roles. 

And its not necessity or lack of men driving that. Its a global trend of empowerment they embrace, and we USE to embrace before Trump 2.0 and Hegseth trashed it along with the woke. 

https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/defens...cle-864530

Of these, 35% reported for the days of combat duty on the front lines, and of those who reported, 76% went on to enlist as combat soldiers. In other words, about 5,300 of the 7,000 who expressed interest in being in combat service also completed the process.

That is comparable? 

And apparently, all this bitching i am doing is moot.  Because there has never been a lowered standard for US Women in combat roles in The Miltary and he is bringing it up erroneously... to be an asshole. 

I truly thought The US was similar to the IDF and women were given leeway on certain strength requirements. 

So humorously, i was complaining about his sexism taking away something that never existed.

But the part of him not liking women doing what he thinks is a man's job is even more valid.

[FlyersFan]

 members of the uniformed services are REQUIRED to disobey orders that are unconstitutional and/or illegal.

Yeah, which is why I said that orders against the UCMJ are different.   But nothing Trump has ordered is unconstitutional or illegal.   And the poster was talking about not following orders because some of the civilians don't like them.   That's why I said the military is NOT a democracy and they don't decide to follow orders or not on a whim based on if the order is popular with civilians or not.

[sahgwa]

Did anyone manage to get photos of the secret treuen schwor-errr loyalty swearing ceremony to the President held by fire light complete with matching Trumpian arm bands? 
Did they execute the disloyal Party members like I heard?

[sahgwa]

I ask google.

There is a little over 100 marines in combat roles and 3,800 in Army combat roles.

https://www.military.com/daily-news/2024...uldnt.html

Even with a country 1/35th the population of The US and a much smaller active military force, they still have WAY MORE in combat roles. 

And its not necessity or lack of men driving that. Its a global trend of empowerment they embrace, and we USE to embrace before Trump 2.0 and Hegseth trashed it along with the woke. 

https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/defens...cle-864530

That is comparable? 

And apparently, all this bitching i am doing is moot.  Because there has never been a lowered standard for US Women in combat roles in The Miltary and he is bringing it up erroneously... to be an asshole. 

I truly thought The US was similar to the IDF and women were given leeway on certain strength requirements. 

So humorously, i was complaining about his sexism taking away something that never existed.

But the part of him not liking women doing what he thinks is a man's job is even more valid.

As far as PT tests are concerned there have always been separate fitness standards for men and women, its just based on biology.

For example in the APFT:
This year a basic (60%) passing score for a female of my age  (i am male) 42-46 years old  for pushups is 13
For a male of the same age bracket a basic passing score for pushups is 30

Hegseth confirms that all servicemembers will be treated equally in regards to having to meet their standards:
 Standards must be uniform, gender neutral and high. If not, they're not standards. They're just suggestions, suggestions that get our sons and daughters killed.

[IdeomotorPrisoner]

As far as PT tests are concerned there have always been separate fitness standards for men and women, its just based on biology.

For example in the APFT:
This year a basic (60%) passing score for a female of my age  (i am male) 42-46 years old  for pushups is 13
For a male of the same age bracket a basic passing score for pushups is 30

Hegseth confirms that all servicemembers will be treated equally in regards to having to meet their standards:
 Standards must be uniform, gender neutral and high. If not, they're not standards. They're just suggestions, suggestions that get our sons and daughters killed.

Okay good... I am not crazy. There is a sliding requirement scale.  Careful what AI answer you read, it can contradict reality. And try to ask someone directly, because you get more accurate answers. 

But I'm still confused.

So is Pete suggesting that Women should be required to meet the same standards? 

It really comes off like hes saying we wants to change the requirement to force (unreasonable) requirements that detour women.  

Highest Male Standard and all. 

Like currently for Navy PT

Female:

• Ages 17-19: 20 push-ups in 2 minutes. 
• Ages 20-24: 17 push-ups in 2 minutes. 
• Ages 25 + : 15 push-ups in 2 minutes. 

Male:

• Ages 17-19: 46 push-ups in 2 minutes. 
• Ages 20-24: 42 push-ups in 2 minutes. 
• Ages 25-29: 38 push-ups in 2 minutes. 
• Ages 30-34: 35 push-ups in 2 minutes. 
• Ages 35-39: 33 push-ups in 2 minutes. 

Does that stay the same, or does Hegseth want 35 year old female sailors doing 33 in 2 minutes now?

This quote misleads me too: 

Have military requirements for combat roles ever been lowered for women? 

No. It is against the law to lower standards for women when compared with men in the same role

What requirements for what roles are changing to the highest male standard?

Sidebar: 

Why is it an unfair tragedy when female athletes are forced by the woke to compete against the transgender,  but if a woman WANTS a traditional male *MOS they are required to meet the highest male standard, and its called "tough shit" if they cant do it? 

* Standard non-specialized combat roles. 

Like if it fights the woke women have biological limitations and views are sympathetic.

But if IT IS woke (like women in combat roles), women get no sympathy for their biological limitations.

[sahgwa]

Okay good... I am not crazy. There is a sliding requirement scale.  Careful what AI answer you read, it can contradict reality. And try to ask someone directly, because you get more accurate answers. 

But I'm still confused.

So is Pete suggesting that Women should be required to meet the same standards? 

It really comes off like hes saying we wants to change the requirement to force (unreasonable) requirements that detour women.  

Highest Male Standard and all. 

Like currently for Navy PT

Female:

• Ages 17-19: 20 push-ups in 2 minutes. 
• Ages 20-24: 17 push-ups in 2 minutes. 
• Ages 25 + : 15 push-ups in 2 minutes. 

Male:

• Ages 17-19: 46 push-ups in 2 minutes. 
• Ages 20-24: 42 push-ups in 2 minutes. 
• Ages 25-29: 38 push-ups in 2 minutes. 
• Ages 30-34: 35 push-ups in 2 minutes. 
• Ages 35-39: 33 push-ups in 2 minutes. 

Does that stay the same, or does Hegseth want 35 year old female sailors doing 33 in 2 minutes now?

This quote misleads me too: 

What requirements for what roles are changing to the highest male standard?

Sidebar: 

Why is it an unfair tragedy when female athletes are forced by the woke to compete against men, but if a woman wants a traditional male MOS they are required to meet the highest male standard, and its called "tough shit" if they cant do it? 

Like if it fights the woke women have biological limitations and views are sympathetic.
But if IT IS woke (like women in combat roles), women get no sympathy for their biological limitations.

It is confusing, because it is a verbal speech, not a written directive or order.
I believe he was referring to combat standards specifically, not generic physical fitness standards.
I think he wants women's combat standards to be up to the same par as men's to not put anyone in danger. But that is just a guess from reading the transcript and the context.

Sidebar: because it is about making sure we don't have any unnecessary casualties due to anyone performing subpar.  Now if this is actually true or not in real life I could not tell you, never having been in combat. In training though a lot of the female soldiers I was with were often on medical profile /lighter duty or slower seemingly more than the male soldiers, but that could have just been my platoon and anecdotal.

[sahgwa]

OK this is news to me
They have for a third or fourth time renamed and revamped the fitness test for the Army. 

No longer the APFT  (army personal fitness test) or the ACT (army combat test ) now it is the: 
 The Army Fitness Test (AFT) will become the official physical fitness test of record for all Soldiers on June 1, 2025, replacing the Army Combat Fitness Test.
The AFT is designed to increase warfighting readiness, reduce injury risk and enhance the physical performance of the force.

• Combat specialties: Introduces one sex-neutral, age-normed standard that requires a total score of 350, with a minimum of 60 points per event.
  
• Combat enabling specialties: Maintains sex- and age-normed scoring that requires a total score of 300.
  

So for combat MOS it will be same standards for both sexes.
For all other MOS will keep the sex specific testing. 
Interesting. 

Why did you change the name of the ACFT to the AFT? 
This is a normal evolution of Army fitness standards that occur every 3-5 years, the removal of one event and a gender-neutral combat standard for 21 MOSs make it a new test.
 

What MOSs are considered combat MOSs for the purposes of the AFT? 
The following MOSs are all classified as combat for AFT purposes:

11A. Infantry Officer
11B. Infantryman
11C. Indirect Fire Infantryman (Mortarman)
11Z. Infantry Senior Sergeant
12A. Engineer; General Engineer
12B. Combat Engineer
13A. Field Artillery Officer
13F. Fire Support Specialist
18A. Special Forces Officer
180A. Special Forces Warrant Officer
18B. Special Forces Weapons Sergeant
18C. Special Forces Engineer Sergeant
18D. Special Forces Medical Sergeant
18E. Special Forces Communications Sergeant
18F. Special Forces Intelligence Sergeant
18Z. Special Forces Senior Sergeant
19A. Armor Officer
19C. Bradley Crew member
19D. Cavalry Scout
19K. M1 Armor Crewman
19Z. Armor Senior Sergeant
 

Why is the Army moving to a sex-neutral scoring standard for combat MOSs? 
Higher fitness standards are strictly aligned with the unique physical demands of specific roles, maintaining readiness, and mission effectiveness.
 

What do you mean by sex-neutral? 
Standards will be sex-neutral and therefore the same for both “men” and “women,” as those terms are defined in Executive Order 14168, “Defending Women From Gender Ideology Extremism and Restoring Biological Truth to the Federal Government.”


https://www.army.mil/aft/

edit: thats a very weird new pushup https://www.army.mil/aft/#event4

[sahgwa]

Oh shit now they aint gettin paid. I was in under a shut down and we still got paid.
  Lapse in Appropriations The most recent appropriations for the Department of War expired at 11:59 p.m. EST on September 30, 2025. Military personnel will continue in a normal duty status without pay until such time as a continuing resolution or appropriations are passed by Congress and signed into law. Civilian personnel not engaged in excepted activities will be placed in a non-work, non-pay status. Read more at War.gov.

[IdeomotorPrisoner]

Getting clarity.

Yes, the Navy will implement new Physical Training (PT) standards as part of sweeping reforms ordered by Secretary of War Pete Hegseth, requiring daily vigorous exercise and annual fitness tests for all service members, with combat occupations requiring high performance standards to meet the highest male standard, according to the Department of Defense.

 Seals, SWCC have always had gender neutral standards. No Seals. Very few SWCC. But EOD is 2% female (around 50), and about 1% of Navy divers (around 11).

And now I can respond with clarity. 

 It is uncertain if Navy EOD (Explosive Ordnance Disposal) personnel, particularly women, will be able to pass the new, sex-neutral physical fitness standards, but the trend in the Air Force suggests they will face increased difficulty and potential exclusion from certain roles. The new Navy standards, which are expected to be implemented to require the "highest male standard" for combat positions, will likely mean that a significant number of women may not qualify. This shift aims for gender-neutral requirements but could result in reduced numbers of qualified women in these physically demanding jobs.

That sucks. That is fucking sexist god damn bullshit. It hasn't hurt the Navy yet.  They’ve been able to do their duty to the highest standard. 

And now they need to crossfit to even have a hope, and while it's less than 100 total, its like the DoD is REALLY saying...

"Okay, so you wanna do the job of a man? Well, do the job of a man, and if your less powerful upper body cant handle it, go see the CCC or reenlistment NCO, and get yourself a new rating, woman." 

Or that's how it appears from Petey.

* Note.  Never served if it comes off that way.

[MetalThunder]

Let’s eavesdrop on what folks are saying…
 Trump Said: “We are under invasion from within” to a group of General Officers today. Here Is A Big What If: Last week on Sept 23rd, Secret Service in cooperation with other federal agencies dismantled a network of electronic devices located throughout New York Tristate area. They were being used for telecommunications-related threats.
Disabling Cell Towers
Launching DDOS attacks
Facilitating anonymous, encrypted communications between threat actors and criminal enterprises.
On September 25th Secretary of War Hegseth called for “All General Officers and SES Meeting” at Quantico Virginia. Quantico is the location of the Marine Corp Intelligence Activity (MCIA). This provides strategic and tactical intelligence including SIGINT support worldwide. It is a satellite facility lined to Fort Meade, NSA Headquarters.
What If: There was suspicions that certain Generals were compromised. Or that data/metadata on the Secret Service busted Cell Phone Encrypted Communications line were connected to high ranking military officers. Or maybe classified intelligence was found on them?


Imagine .... .... THAT




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