Pentagon pizza party

[ReturnofBroccoli]

Okay...  Sure...

I dont think it's about that at all.  There's tons of women of 125 pounds plus, weighing way more in gear that can still be fucking paratroopers.

It's a subliminal message more than anything. My bias says:

Hegseth, being another TEXTBOOK chauvenist, doesn't like women, who in his mind should be housewives (my projection), serving in typical masculine roles. Because women acting masculine is included in woke shit now. 

I'll give everyone combat loads are sometimes over 100 pounds...  That's hard at 115 pounds, and invites back problems. But they average 50-80 lbs and 100-115 lbs can carry that all day.

It seems he wants to use the most extreme circumstance to refeminize women, as part of a larger cultural reclamation for the Manosphere. It's like they are doing everything possible too..

Because female empowerment in male roles = feminism = woke = a vile cultural disease to squash out at all costs. 

Another projection i will project upon him is he probably also reads the standard manosphere The End of Men lesbophobia bullshit.

It's sad to see THAT clean up the military. Why can't we be like the IDF where 20% of their frontline combat roles go to women? Doesn't hurt them the slightest bit.

OK everyone get in a 4-man behind ideomotor they said they got this  

[IdeomotorPrisoner]

OK everyone get in a 4-man behind ideomotor they said they got this  

Guess I walked into that one.

Sure, I'll take the hypothetical point in the world where I've earned a combat position. I have always had an intuition for danger before the other 5 senses realize it. I might be good? 

If only I didnt have more of a flight reflex to live gunfire...

I think that narrative can change, and has in other militaries.

I'll use The IDF because they are currently the World's gold standard for diversity and gender equality in military integration. 

There are dozens, if not hundreds inside The Gaza Strip right now.

It's like equality (especially gender equality) was a world phenomenon. And The IDF embraced it, The REST OF NATO and 5 Eyes embraced it, while America vehemently flushed it as Liberal bullshit and invoked Might is Right to take us all back in time... even making fun of other militaries for giving women command roles when they make a mistake any man could make.

It was and is indoctrinated sexism. 

And it has put us socially behind the rest of the Western World.

So while you can joke, what i meant was....

• Active in Gaza: Female soldiers have been on the frontlines during the offensive in Gaza, with documented participation dating back to the start of the conflict in October 2023. This includes participation in ground operations.
• Diverse roles: Women are serving in a variety of combat capacities, including mixed-gender infantry battalions, armored brigades, artillery units, and air defense. They have also advanced to command positions.
• Historic shift: In recent years, and particularly since the October 7, 2023 attacks, societal perceptions and military practices regarding women in combat have undergone a significant shift. What was once a topic of heated debate is now an established reality, with the military seeing an increase in female enlistment for these roles.

 

As of 2025, women make up approximately one-third of the soldiers joining the Israel Defense Forces (IDF), and over half of its currently serving officers. The percentage of women in combat roles has also seen significant growth in recent years. 

...something like that!

We can throw up our most divisive arms defending their right to defend themselves as if they were our own while simultaneously calling their military's progressive ethos "radical extremism" if employed here. 

The IDF has more female officers than male, why arent they even singled our for their DEI practices? Are they more exempt than New Zealand? 

It's fucking bizarre. 

Can't even see the lanes on the freeway in this driving rain.

[Vermilion]

Guess I walked into that one.

Sure, I'll take the hypothetical point in the world where I've earned a combat position. I have always had an intuition for danger before the other 5 senses realize it. I might be good? 

If only I didnt have more of a flight reflex to live gunfire...

I think that narrative can change, and has in other militaries.

I'll use The IDF because they are currently the World's gold standard for diversity and gender equality in military integration. 

There are dozens, if not hundreds inside The Gaza Strip right now.

It's like equality (especially gender equality) was a world phenomenon. And The IDF embraced it, The REST OF NATO and 5 Eyes embraced it, while America vehemently flushed it as Liberal bullshit and invoked Might is Right to take us all back in time... even making fun of other militaries for giving women command roles when they make a mistake any man could make.

It was and is indoctrinated sexism. 

And it has put us socially behind the rest of the Western World.

So while you can joke, what i meant was....
 

...something like that!

We can throw up our most divisive arms defending their right to defend themselves as if they were our own while simultaneously calling their military's progressive ethos "radical extremism" if employed here. 

The IDF has more female officers than male, why arent they even singled our for their DEI practices? Are they more exempt than New Zealand? 

It's fucking bizarre. 

Can't even see the lanes on the freeway in this driving rain.

Israel only does it because they have to.
The USA only does it because the women, who can pass the standards, want to.

Israel wouldn’t have the numbers to fight otherwise.
Nobody wants to send their women to war.

Israel is the size of New Jersey, area and population.
10 million

The countries in the region who want them dead and gone, are the Middle East and North Africa.
They have 600 million people to throw at them.

If you can’t meet the standards, you can’t do it.
DEI is dead.
America is a meritocracy.
You can have anything you want, if you earn it.

Did I mention you have a right to be a feminist in America?
You do.

Try being a feminist in any of those other countries and I’m sure you’ll gladly choose making sandwiches instead of the alternative.

America isn’t broke until you start lowering standards.

[ReturnofBroccoli]

Guess I walked into that one.

Sure, I'll take the hypothetical point in the world where I've earned a combat position. I have always had an intuition for danger before the other 5 senses realize it. I might be good? 

If only I didnt have more of a flight reflex to live gunfire...

I think that narrative can change, and has in other militaries.

I'll use The IDF because they are currently the World's gold standard for diversity and gender equality in military integration. 

There are dozens, if not hundreds inside The Gaza Strip right now.

It's like equality (especially gender equality) was a world phenomenon. And The IDF embraced it, The REST OF NATO and 5 Eyes embraced it, while America vehemently flushed it as Liberal bullshit and invoked Might is Right to take us all back in time... even making fun of other militaries for giving women command roles when they make a mistake any man could make.

It was and is indoctrinated sexism. 

And it has put us socially behind the rest of the Western World.

So while you can joke, what i meant was....
 

...something like that!

We can throw up our most divisive arms defending their right to defend themselves as if they were our own while simultaneously calling their military's progressive ethos "radical extremism" if employed here. 

The IDF has more female officers than male, why arent they even singled our for their DEI practices? Are they more exempt than New Zealand? 

It's fucking bizarre. 

Can't even see the lanes on the freeway in this driving rain.

Sounds like enlisted women about to get Hella strong. You sure you not seeing the world glass half empty? 

Here's the current physical requirements for a u.s. marine

https://www.marines.com/become-a-marine/...tness.html

The other branches aren't that different in their requirements. Maybe its not as bad as you think.

What im trying to say is, if my gun is too heavy, the answer is to get stronger, not give up. Some women advanced powerlifters can lift over 400. I think the strength is there but you gotta want it and prove you got it. When running in formation we run as slow as our slowest dude because its not about I. Its US. We fight for the person next to us. If im down and that soldier can throw me over their shoulder and get me the hell out thats outstanding. Male or female, lives are on the line. We dont leave live soldiers behind. There are weight limits in the military, no one is going to be lifting a 400 pound man lol but maybe a 200 pound or little larger at most. Each military branch provides charts with maximum allowable weights based on your height and if you're over the weight they give you like a body fat test

[IdeomotorPrisoner]

Did I mention you have a right to be a feminist in America?
You do.

Really?

I could have sworn I am now the "radical left" because I supported the former Commander of The Coast Guard and her DEI heavy policy under Biden. 

If I was still allowed, the President and his supportive media wouldn't label my views under the term "radical leftism" or deem me a threat under a vague blanket declaration.

It is also worth saying EVERY Israeli citizen gets conscripted regardless. *BUT* Historical attitudes changing are more from progressivism than necessity. 

You don't have a force of 33% women that accounts for over half of your officers without the one of the following conditions being met.

1. It's a true meritocracy and women are more deserving (on average) than men. She earned her rank more then her male counterpart.

2. They employed DEI practices to achieve gender equality within their ranks, even at disportionate numbers. 

And I'm good with either.

I also think, culturally, Israeli women are more like Yael driving a stake through the general's head.  Matrilineage is not necessarily a matriarchy, but women have a more domineering and controlling role in the household, as seen by the stereotype of every Jewish mother ever... who are never impressed with anything you do and have a never ceasing criticism that you could have and should do better.

The gender dynamics were different to begin with. So maybe not a fair comparison...

But the arguments of Hegseth are bullshit. Pushing 1990 standards is more about reclaiming the manosphere and reasserting gender roles in society than it is meritocracy. 

The right said up and down, men and women are built different, or it's so fucking unfair for us that we have to share our sports fields with men, and then you pull shit like this... It's like an chivalry of convenience. 

People argue its unfair for a transitioned female to compete as a woman, for the advantage, and then tell us to crossfit if we want to still push our limits in traditionally male roles. WTF?

It really paints a picture its more about maintaining a manly safe space. At least to me. The 110 pound field packs and heavy munitions are more an excuse to say women are women, and are too naturally weak do do male things, and should stop trying. 

Jeez, you can keep BUD/S to the highest male standards. Most men cant even get through it. And a woman making it through would be awesome. Though I dont see it happening.

But outside special elite roles like that, this is bullshit.

Couldn't be a mysoginist proconditioning installed by thousands of years of submissive dogma, could it?

[ReturnofBroccoli]

Really?

I could have sworn I am now the "radical left" because I supported the former Commander of The Coast Guard and her DEI heavy policy under Biden. 

If I was still allowed, the President and his supportive media wouldn't label my views under the term "radical leftism" or deem me a threat under a vague blanket declaration.

It is also worth saying EVERY Israeli citizen gets conscripted regardless. *BUT* Historical attitudes are more born out of progressivism than necessity IMO. 

You don't have a force of 33% women that accounts for half of the officers without the one of the following conditions being met.

1. It's a true meritocracy and women are more deserving (on average) than men. She earned her rank more then her male counterpart.

2. They employed DEI practices to achieve gender equality within their ranks, even at disportionate numbers. 

And I'm good with either.

I also think, culturally, Israeli women are more like Yael driving a stake through the general's head.  Matrilineage is not necessarily a matriarchy, but women have a more domineering and controlling role in the household, as seen by the stereotypes of every Jewish mother... who are never impressed with anything you do and have a never ceasing criticism that you could have done better.

The gender dynamics were different to begin with. So maybe not a fair comparison...

But the arguments of Hegseth are bullshit. Pushing 1990 standards is more about reclaiming the manosphere and reasserting gender roles in society than it is meritocracy. 

Thevright said up and down, men and women are built different, or it's so fucking unfair for us we have to share our sports fields with men, and then you pull shit like this... It's like an empathy and chivalry of convenience. 

People argue its unfair for a transitioned female to compete as a woman, for the advantage, and then tell us to crossfit if we want to still push our limits in traditionally male roles. WTF?

It really paints a picture its more about maintaining a phallocentric safe space. At least to me. The 110 pound field packs and heavy munitions are more an excuse to say women are women, and are too naturally weak do do male things. 

Jeez, you can keep BUD/S to the highest male standards. Most men cant even get through it. And a woman making it through would be awesome. Though I dont see it happening.

But outside special elite roles like that this is bullshit.

Couldn't be a mysoginist proconditioning installed by thousands of years of submissive dogma, could it?

By you saying half of their officers are female, are you referring to the role of commanding officer or non-commissioned officer? 

It makes a huge difference.

Id also like to know where you're getting your facts from because what im seeing is that in COMBAT roles in the IDF women make up 20%
https://www.ynetnews.com/article/ryk15009xeg
Which isnt bad.
we are talking about Israel sending women to war right? It sounds like they are doing the same thing the US is doing im confused. It goes on to say half the IDF combat units are still not open to women for the same reasons you are saying you have a problem with something how is IDF so great?

[IdeomotorPrisoner]

• Total officers: Multiple sources, including the official IDF website, state that women make up 51% of all officers currently serving in the IDF.
• Junior officers: Their representation is highest at the entry level, with women holding about 45% of junior officer positions.
• Mid-level officers: At the lieutenant level, the percentage of female officers drops to approximately 20%.
• Senior command: The proportion of women in senior officer ranks drops to a single-digit percentage. As of June 2024, only three of the 32 members of the Israeli General Staff were women.

in the US those percentages are:
(with the Israel percentage in parentheses). 

24% of total officers (51%)
​10-21% of Junior officers (45%)
15% of mid grade officers (20%)
0% of top positions (9%) 

I get your point. But it dont agree it's all a pragmatic motivation leading it.  You dont remove the only two 4 star officers in the Miltary for pragmatism. He thinks they are unqualified DEI promotions and stopping that is all he cared about. 

Israel obviously doesnt. 

They allow their 20% to meet adjusted standards for women still.
They leave women in their top brass.

Maybe its just lamenting we can't retain progressive ideals in gender equality in our military.... because it obviously doesnt hurt the IDF any.

[ReturnofBroccoli]

in the US those percentages are:
(with the Israel percentage in parentheses). 

24% of total officers (51%)
​10-21% of Junior officers (45%)
15% of mid grade officers (20%)
0% of top positions (9%) 

I get your point. But it dont agree it's all a pragmatic motivation leading it.  You dont remove the only two 4 star officers in the Miltary for pragmatism. He thinks they are unqualified DEI promotions and stopping that is all he cared about. 

Israel obviously doesnt. 

They allow their 20% to meet adjusted standards for women still.
They leave women in their top brass.
Their gender equality kills ours, and they do it through egalitarian culture over necessity. 

Maybe its just lamenting we can't retain progressive ideals in gender equality in our military.... because it obviously doesnt hurt the IDF any.

Right but we are talking about combat ready roles and thats exactly the same as the US, the IDF are barely letting women in combat roles. Its 20% where are all these fighting warrior women it felt like you were talking about because I was a little disappointed to find it wasnt so.
In the U.S. Army as of late 2022, males represented about 84.3% of the active component, while females made up 15.7% 

Israel has a higher percentage through conscription and U.S. women simply aren't joining the military as much as men

I dont see that as a DEI issue if women dont want to join. I mean if we had a healthy equal ratio here I could see your point but its not and Israel isnt as inclusive as it looks according to that website which was the 1st one that came up on a search of combat role percentages in the idf

[IdeomotorPrisoner]

This is progressively diminishing the issue of sexism now being employed by our military. 

I picked the IDF because they dont consider promoted female command officer DEI promotions. They have a woke ethos by our standards. This thread is on the bullshit warrior ethos.  And trying to use Israel as an example of valid woke ethos in other militaries as a counterpoint. 

I used the IDF because those 20% in combat roles have reduced physical requirements that are acknowledged for inclusion, rather than exclusion based on sexist agenda. 

I actually know shit about the IDF, and am rather winging this argument as I go. 

So before I get twisted looking up IDF stats to use rhetorically, my rhetorical point is HEGSETH IS REINSTITUTIONALIZING SEXISM. 

And even though my knowledge of military combat infantry roles is limited, it's ancillary to the greater point the warrior ethos is REALLY saying to women, "Go back to being medics and stop trying to be GI Jane"

[ReturnofBroccoli]

This is progressively diminishing the issue of sexism now being employed by our military. 

I picked the IDF because they dont consider promoted female command officer DEI promotions. They have a woke ethos by our standards. This thread is on the bullshit warrior ethos.  And trying to use it as an example of valid woke ethos in other militaries 

Used the IDF because those 20% in combat roles have reduced physical requirements that are acknowledged for inclusion, rather than exclusion based in sexism.

So before I get twisted looking up IDF stats to use rhetorically my rhetorical point is HEGSETH IS REINSTITUTIONALISM SEXISM. 

And even though my knowledge of military combat infantry roles is limited, its ancillary to the greater point the warrior ethos is "Go back to being medics and stop trying to be GI Jane" 

I actually know shit about the IDF, and am rather b winging this argument as I go...

Lol im not trying to argue im just trying to find the statistics you're presenting on your statements and am failing to do so and showing what im finding and what im finding is looking pretty similar between the IDF and the U.S. but I do understand where you're coming from on it and you can be my battle buddy anyday ^.^