"Most Liberal Colleges" listed... But,.. why?

[andy06shake]

You’re doing your child a disservice sending them, most times in debt, to a school whose goals include leftist/marxist indoctrination.

My child is 19, and chose on her own which educational establishment to attend, same with the subject.

Does your mum still pick what clothes you put on in the morning? 

No.

Same reason you would not try and tell a 19-year-old what to do.

You can offer advice and assistance, but you can't make them do as you wish.

That would be abuse as adults are free to make their own choices in life. 

As to the debt part and loans, im still paying off the remaining part of my own student loans.

Those simply go hand in hand with any sort of university degree in this day of age.

Unless, of course, you have affluent parents who can afford to pay the tuition, accommodation, and various other fees that go hand in hand with being a student.

[UltraBudgie]

As to the debt part and loans, im still paying off the remaining part of my own student loans.

Those simply go hand in hand with any sort of university degree in this day of age.

Student loans should be viewed as a form of indentured servitude, just without a specific master. That's why you can't weasel out of them with bankruptcy in America. Can you in Britain?

I'm not saying they are necessarily a bad deal, but you are gambling on being able to find a well-paying job with whatever degree you finance. Businesses benefit from having workers in debt in the same way they benefit from immigrants with visas: they're less likely to job-hop because of the repercussions they may face.

[andy06shake]

Student loans should be viewed as a form of indentured servitude, just without a specific master. That's why you can't weasel out of them with bankruptcy in America. Can you in Britain?

I'm not saying they are necessarily a bad deal, but you are depending on being able to find a well-paying job with whatever degree you finance. Businesses benefit from having workers in debt in the same way they benefit from immigrants with visas: they're less likely to job-hop because of the repercussions they may face.

Nope, you will always pay for your student loans here in the UK, as long as you make enough money to do so.

Basically, there is a threshold, above such you pay and below such you don't. 

You can default until such time as you are making a decent wage, but student loans always come back to bite you on the arse.

The same applies to council tax, that debt never goes away or can be weaseled out of, even with bankruptcy.

Free education would be the ticket, but that's not exactly viable in this day of age for a multitude of reasons. 

As to job-hopping, i actually don't know that many people, or can think of any, that are in the same job they started out.

Here in the UK, the likes of jobs for life went the way of the dinosaur back in the 90s imho.

[UltraBudgie]

As to job-hopping, i actually don't know that many people, or can think of any, that are in the same job they started out.

Here in the UK, the likes of jobs for life went the way of the dinosaur back in the 90s imho.

It is much more common in the tech industry, where I believe the average was 18 months in any one job, at one point. But that stat is from about a decade ago, if I remember. I think the tech job market is drying up recently! Anyway, it of course does not prevent, but does act somewhat to discourage take a risk. Nowhere near an H1B, where your visa get invalidated if you leave your job and you have to quickly jump through hoops to get it validated at a new one or you will get deported.

[andy06shake]

It is much more common in the tech industry, where I believe the average was 18 months in any one job, at one point. But that stat is from about a decade ago, if I remember. I think the tech job market is drying up recently! Anyway, it of course does not prevent, but does act somewhat to discourage take a risk. Nowhere near an H1B, where your visa get invalidated if you leave your job and you have to quickly jump through hoops to get it validated at a new one or you will get deported.

It's silly as well because people with those sorts of skills, a significant proportion of such, who probably also paid to be educated in your nation, you don't really want to lose to the competition.

Or at least that's the way i see it, as deporting skilled personnel seems rather counterproductive.

[xpert11]

Nope, you will always pay for your student loans here in the UK, as long as you make enough money to do so.

The same applies in Australia and New Zealand. However, the debt can still become unsustainable for Australian university students. That debt is accumulated in unnecessary and daft ways. For instance, one doesn't require a journalism degree to work as a reporter.  


The other core issue is the shift from on-the-job training to higher education. That shift was a part of the 1980s economic reforms and one area that has failed spectacularly. This is one of the causes behind a tradespeople shortage on both sides of the Tasman. It turns out plumbers are just as important as lawyers. When that lawyer needs their tab fixed, they call a plumber —not a university graduate.

[andy06shake]

The same applies in Australia and New Zealand. However, the debt can still become unsustainable for Australian university students. That debt is accumulated in unnecessary and daft ways. For instance, one doesn't require a journalism degree to work as a reporter.  


The other core issue is the shift from on-the-job training to higher education. That shift was a part of the 1980s economic reforms and one area that has failed spectacularly. This is one of the causes behind a tradespeople shortage on both sides of the Tasman. It turns out plumbers are just as important as lawyers. When that lawyer needs their tab fixed, they call a plumber —not a university graduate.

You may not require a degree to work in journalism, but it certainly helps.

A lot of successful reporters come from other backgrounds in English(or other languages).

Like communications or even political science.

As to plumbers, that's a great job in this day of age.

And i don't see the likes of AI putting them out of work any time soon

But eventually....

[RichardHurt]

Well that was quick.

Really, both you need a "Fighter" tag.

Get a room debate forum thread.

DB was not there individual I wanted to debate.
But I would very much like to debate in a open forum.
Clear debate rules would need to be laid out.

[Maxmars]

DB was not there individual I wanted to debate.
But I would very much like to debate in a open forum.
Clear debate rules would need to be laid out.

I have heard this before...

But often it's more of a posturing display of confidence and bravado....

However, I suspect that no one can deny a challenge has been issued...
And no one doubts the sincerity or capacity to follow trough.

In the DEBATE FORUM this can happen.... insofar as I am concerned...

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Debate is where the tires meet the pavement.

The rules are substantially a stricter focus on the T&C's, for starters...

Let me create an OPEN INVITE thread...
all fighters can "issue" challenges to other fighters... in the debate forum.
Fighter designation is available to you from participating in a debate challenge...

Should anyone ever so choose... I will gladly officiate ...

DI has a home for DEBATE.

I have discovered that anyone can debate... if they dare to.
Regrets are few, learning is on tap...

Prepare to have your arguments stand because you made them strong,
It's about making a case, your point... and dodging or standing up to dissent.
Nothing personal, just your reasoning...

and for the "advanced;" guile, cunning, strategy and skill are the main dishes;
while for the clever; humor, irony, metaphor and simile are your allies

Where are our Fighters?

I do apologize for the OT.... PLEASE keep extended exchanges of this nature to the topic.  

Why gather a list of "ideologically inclined" colleges and universities... is it not to "sell" that as "part" of the "education" students will get - whether they want it or not?

[RichardHurt]

I accept these conditions and fully understand the implications of me not following the guidelines.