More than 50 countries have reached out to the President to begin tariff negotiations

[putnam6]

I concur and Put is drinking the Kool-Aid extra sweet.

BTW, wtf is Starmer doing to the UK? From what I understand the U.S. has a surplus with the U.K., so what's going on? Is the U.K. now going to pay more? Why? What's the game?

LOL Im just posting what Im seeing and reading, and want to discuss it here. Yall take this shit waaaay too seriously..

I called out MTG as a political agitator earlier in the Trump thread, and she is. IGNORED FFS

But Im drinking the Kool-Aid because Im hopeful tariffs don't harm the economy?

How silly of me to be optimistic and look through and research why it could work, and hope and then post those thoughts on a message board. I don't drink political Kool-Aid from any side. One reason I continue to lean to the right is that the left continues to bray how right they are, with little evidence to support their conclusions. I feel the same way, the right oversells thier successes and minimizes thier failures, but that's politics 101.

Oh snap, what flavor Kool-Aid did Japan and Taiwan drink? 

Let me theorize pessimistic WCSWNFB, that has to mean both Japan and Taiwan have moved closer to China and Xi, completely abandoning the US, Will South Korea and the Philippines be next to be caught in Xi's honey pot? The chances China's new aircraft carrier is leading an armada to attack Guam and Hawaii has to be increasing every day these tariffs are in place. 


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I do hope Trump is right, just like I hoped some of Biden's decisions were correct when he was President. If I have to put percentages on the tariff question, Im 65% sure Trump can get enough agreements finalized and it doesn't choke the economy. The other 35% of me knows if there is any way on God's green earth for the Left to kneecap Trump on this on any other issue they will even to the detriment of the country. 

I said from the get-go I didn't like Trump's methods per se, but I understand their value as a negotiation tactic

The Left's Kool-Aid flavor du jour is everywhere 24/7, Fear Fruit punch, Panic Peach, Pineapple Pessimism, Raspberry Recession,
Nectarine Nuclear War, Poverty Passion Fruit, etc, etc, and it's all because of Trump, am I right?
Even during the 4 years of Biden, it was Trump who did this or that. It's so monotonous. 

I can honestly say if Biden did this 4 years ago I would have grumbled at first too, but if it were explained as Bessent has over and over, I think he can get it done, it's no different than me thinking Janet Yellen was competent enough to achieve thiers goals even if I didn't agree with them

That's the problem with being moderate/independent in 2025, if you sway too far on any topic any issue, blue or red, you become a Kool-Aid drinker to the fervent left or right. 

Respectfully 
 
if you read my signature, you might get a clue...

[quintessentone]

 

Respectfully, I was thinking that it really has never been just right - or centrist - or left but a mishmash of varying beliefs and/or desires/needs of each person. This was shown to me when Marjorie T. Greene put down her Kool-Aid and came back to her initial understanding of the American people's desires, that being, peace and getting the American military machine out of other countries and focus on fixing problems at home with the money saved. Just to name one promise that she said Trump made during his campaign.

Why shouldn't we all, worldwide, be taking this seriously? It is serious, affecting world economies, Trump involving the U.S. in existing and threatening new wars/killing innocent civilians, and affecting people's lives in a serious manner, e.g loss of retirement savings due to chaotic economic moves (which the rich were able to take advantage of and line their pockets). Perhaps the elderly without retirement savings or lost their savings due to Trump's missteps will be forced to act so as to be sent to Alcatraz so they can get three meals a day and medical care.

Your optimism goes against what Trump promised, so I don't get your stance here, but, hey, you are hopeful that tariffs don't harm your economy - haven't they already? Are you okay with Trump and his sychophants lining their, his and his family's pockets at the expense of the people?

"Hope springs eternal in the human breast; Man never is, but always to be blest."

The U.S./China will be meeting any day now and your country really needs to work with the 'big dog' (China) in a respectful and fair manner, if that is at all possible, to serve the people and not to cater to Trump's ego.

AI offering:

"China is focusing on emerging markets and forging new partnerships to diversify its trade portfolio. Countries like India and Indonesia are becoming significant destinations for Chinese exports, while initiatives like the Belt and Road Initiative (BRI) are expanding trade routes and economic ties across Asia, Africa, and Europe."

I just watched Putin and Xi explaining their new trade and security agreements, using their own currency.

China may hold all the cards at this point.

Has Trump heard back from India yet? Crickets?

[CriticalStinker]

 

I don’t think the left could really kneecap him on this issue.

the results will be the results, and the soonest they could really challenge him on this issue after the midterms.

Though, the courts could nullify the tariffs considering he used an emergencies act to levy these in the first place. I suppose Republican representatives could get enough pressure to join left in challenging him.

Which, I’d be okay with. 

There’s a narrative that Trump has a blanket mandate to do anything he campaigned on. But the reality is almost every president can’t do some of their campaign promises because they need house and senate, but don’t have enough support. That’s checks and balances. Trump is using a work around with the emergencies acts, and it’s working so far because the slim majority in house is choosing to block or not act on it. 

I for one don’t want to see executive branch continue to consolidate power. Some may trust Trump, but I clearly don’t. And I definitely don’t trust any future candidates as both parties have continually put forth their worst options.

[putnam6]

  

Did we or didnt we, just have a US/UK trade deal agreed upon ONE day ago. I think we did

Common sense logic suggests this may be empirical evidence that once trade deals are firmed up, business will likely resume at a quickened pace. Especially with our heavy trading partners

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/boeing-is...52185.html



Boeing stock rose 3.3% on the news to close at its highest level since March 28, 2024.
Compared to where trade agreements stood before Trump began his second term in office, tariffs imposed on British imports are now bigger, even under the terms of the new deal. Higher costs are higher costs, even if both countries' leaders say they are pleased with the arrangement.
But pointing out that things are more expensive invites the aphorism that perfect is the enemy of good. The calculus on Wall Street, where anxious investors have been looking for good news on trade, is that things were worse before. Now, they are better.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/commentar...38435.html

Seems as if im not the only one who prefers optimism...

Many investors remain dismayed by Trump's trade war, which has disrupted a roaring bull market for no obvious gain.

Yet a potent sense of optimism about the US economy and American assets remains.

"The United States is still the world's leading economy, and this is the greatest capital market in the world," Citigroup (C) CEO Jane Fraser said at the recent Milken Institute Global Conference in Beverly Hills, Calif. "Show me the alternative."

 This year's Milken conference, featuring some of the most prominent people in business and finance, was a split-screen debate over the perils of Trump's protectionism versus America's innate advantages. Concern about the punishing cost of tariffs is widespread. Yet even a diminished America may outshine its competitors.

"I believe the US is still the best risk-reward, globally speaking," Waleed Al Mokarrab Al Muhairi, deputy group CEO of Mubadala, one of Abu Dhabi's sovereign wealth funds, said at the conference. "Forty-two percent of our portfolio is in the United States. That's over $100 billion. I don't foresee that changing. Most of the best companies in the world are in the US. We're going to keep investing."

Read more: The latest news and updates on Trump's tariffs

Why?

Because it's never been attempted on such a scale, there is no historical analog or precedent here. 

Unless you can cite the last time a modern American President imposed such tariffs on such a broad scale. 

 https://seekingalpha.com/article/4784235-wall-street-breakfast-podcast-iag-fuels-fleet-with-boeing-airbus-buys

 Or we can continually wallow in completely speculative, paranoid delusions and fears of worst-case scenarios with no factual basis.
 

British Airways (OTCPK:EADSF) owner IAG orders 53 Boeing, Airbus planes for long-haul fleet. (00:19) Monster Beverage (MNST) sales slump on weak demand for alcohol beverages. (01:36) Expedia's (EXPE) anemic revenue growth reflects wary U.S. traveler. (02:26)
This is an abridged transcript.
IAG, parent firm of British Airways and Spanish airline Iberia, announced orders for 53 new Boeing (NYSE:BA) and Airbus (OTCPK:EADSF) planes for its long-haul fleet, a day after the U.S. reached a new trade deal with the U.K.
IAG is ordering 32 Boeing (NYSE:BA) 787-10 aircraft for British Airways, and 21 Airbus (OTCPK:EADSF) A330-900neo planes.
The new aircraft, which will enable IAG's airlines to grow and replace their long-haul fleets with modern, fuel-efficient planes, will be delivered between 2028 and 2033.
British Airways is also granted the rights to choose to buy up to 10 additional Boeing (NYSE:BA) 787 aircraft, while IAG can elect to purchase up to 13 additional Airbus (OTCPK:EADSF) A330-900neo planes.

[Oldcarpy2]

"Why?

Because it's never been attempted on such a scale, there is no historical analog or precedent here. 

Unless you can cite the last time a modern American President imposed such tariffs on such a broad scale. "

There is a good reason why no President has started a massive trade war including friends and allies before.

Because your President has no understanding of World trade or what trade deficits actually mean and is surrounded by sycophantic "Advisors" who do not dare to utter the obvious that their Emperor has no clothes.

[quintessentone]

Ryanair threats may cancel out any Boeing U.K. sale gains:

"Ryanair RYA.I on Thursday threatened to cancel orders for hundreds of Boeing BA.N aircraft if a U.S.-led tariff war leads to materially higher prices, and said it could look at alternative suppliers, including Chinese planemaker COMAC.The threat by Europe’s largest low-cost carrier and one of Boeing’s biggest customers was the latest sign of a potential reordering of the global aerospace industry if U.S. President Trump does not exempt the sector from his tariff plans."

https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/tariffs/2025...se-prices/

Meanwhile in China:

"The halt in deliveries to China marks yet another setback for the planemaker, which is navigating a slow recovery following a challenging year marked by a labor strike, enhanced regulatory scrutiny and persistent supply chain disruptions."

“If China stops buying aircraft components from the US, the C919 program is halted or dead,” wrote Bank of America analyst Ron Epstein in a note to clients."

Some other countries, as I recall from previous newscasts, don't want to order Boeing planes due to them putting profits over safety.

When we dig deeper we find the flaws:

"However, with little price differential between British produced beef and U.S. beef that does meet UK standards, the U.S. product could struggle to find a UK market."

Beef is a wash.

https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/britain...025-05-08/

I doubt American alcohol, specifically American Whiskey, will find a market in the U.K. as well. Hey Oldcarpy2, how does American Whiskey go down across the pond there? I know it's nothing special.

Quora review concensus is that American Whisky is too sweet for their tastes, however some say one needs to develop a taste for it. I don't see a market for it in the U.K. 

What was that about facts again, Putnam6?

[sahgwa]

WCSWNFB...

Let's see how Iran responds, they might yell scream and piss and moan, but they will not go to war over with America this. They just will not

How would they exactly?

It's no different than not one inch of NATO land, it's a warning... Iran has been degraded, and the population is ready for a revolt.

Russia can't back them, they need every bullet for Ukraine

Here's what Grok ascertains about the impending all-out war with Iran.... IF the US were to bomb Iran's nuclear program, thats a big if. 

What else do you want to discuss that has a 10% or less chance of occurring?

https://x.com/i/grok/share/QHZ9ecZlEE7q0H6lW8aLhzhz4
 

what is WCSWNFB?

[UltraBudgie]

what is WCSWNFB?

Whales Communicating Secretly With Ninja Frog Buddies
Waffles Can Save the World, Not French Bread
Wizards Casting Spells With Nachos For Breakfast
World's Cutest Squirrels Wear Neon Fuzzy Boots
Wombats Competing in Synchronized Water Noodle Fights
Witty Comedians Sharing Wacky New Feline Behaviours

?

[sahgwa]

Whales Communicating Secretly With Ninja Frog Buddies
Waffles Can Save the World, Not French Bread
Wizards Casting Spells With Nachos For Breakfast
World's Cutest Squirrels Wear Neon Fuzzy Boots
Wombats Competing in Synchronized Water Noodle Fights
Witty Comedians Sharing Wacky New Feline Behaviours

?

More than fifty countries have reached out to the President to begin
Worldwide Chaos So they Won't Never Feel Bad

[putnam6]

More than fifty countries have reached out to the President to begin
Worldwide Chaos So they Won't Never Feel Bad

I fell asleep and typed random letters .... 

It's just an easy way to tell who reads your posts and wants to discuss the topic...

vs who just skims or ignores and just wants to spout out thier long-held dogmatic beliefs... 

Ive used WCSWNFB in another thread with another poster, and it kind of bled over to this thread, but it's been defined in my master piece thesis/post here as well.

WORST-CASE SCENARIOS WITH NO FACTUAL BASIS, implying this is all the left has in its arsenal.