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(07-23-2025, 02:45 PM)putnam6 Wrote: There was a reason Elon got pissy: Trump removed the EV mandate and incentives
If Americans wanted EVs exclusively, we would have elected another President.
Trump was not elected because of EVs, he was voted in to bring down grocery and gas prices...still waiting for that.
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(07-23-2025, 02:48 PM)quintessentone Wrote: Trump was not elected because of EVs, he was voted in to bring down grocery and gas prices...still waiting for that.
You forgot boarder enforcement, deportation, bringing jobs back to our shores and negotiating better trade deals. Ending 2 wars and possibly a third is just icing on the cake.
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07-23-2025, 03:24 PM
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(07-23-2025, 02:55 PM)SomeStupidName Wrote: You forgot boarder enforcement, deportation, bringing jobs back to our shores and negotiating better trade deals. Ending 2 wars and possibly a third is just icing on the cake.
Can you tell me, what is so bad about a trade deficit?
How is ending Putin's War going?
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesbrough...you-think/
"The evidence is clear that tariffs are not an effective means of reducing trade deficits. During the Trump administration, substantial tariffs were placed on a wide range of imported goods, with the explicit goal of reducing the trade imbalance. Yet, instead of shrinking, the trade deficit expanded. Part of this was due to the underlying macroeconomic environment, which included a significant increase in government spending and corresponding budget deficits. Tariffs may have reduced imports in certain sectors, but they did nothing to address the broader economic forces that were driving the trade deficit. In fact, tariffs often lead to retaliation, reducing exports, and ultimately worsening the balance of trade."
'l'll just check my Giveashitometer....Nope. Nothing...
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(07-23-2025, 02:48 PM)quintessentone Wrote: Trump was not elected because of EVs, he was voted in to bring down grocery and gas prices...still waiting for that.
For a less simplistic and elementary perspective...
Anybody with half a brain knew the tariff flap would raise prices temporarily.
Let's see where they are in 12 months.
Still, the temporary tariff flap increase of 2-3% is only about $10.50 for every $350 on groceries
Have said it before, our gas prices are significantly lower, averaging 36 cents a gallon over last July, so much so that our savings monthly easily cover the current 2-3% increase in groceries if you fill up your car 2-3 times a month. YMMV
All I suggested is that if EVs were a priority, Americans would have wanted to keep EV mandates and incentives in place; they did not
It's one of his few moves he made that didn't upset too many people at all.
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07-23-2025, 03:52 PM
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(07-23-2025, 03:24 PM)Oldcarpy2 Wrote: Can you tell me, what is so bad about a trade deficit?
How is ending Putin's War going?
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesbrough...you-think/
"The evidence is clear that tariffs are not an effective means of reducing trade deficits. During the Trump administration, substantial tariffs were placed on a wide range of imported goods, with the explicit goal of reducing the trade imbalance. Yet, instead of shrinking, the trade deficit expanded. Part of this was due to the underlying macroeconomic environment, which included a significant increase in government spending and corresponding budget deficits. Tariffs may have reduced imports in certain sectors, but they did nothing to address the broader economic forces that were driving the trade deficit. In fact, tariffs often lead to retaliation, reducing exports, and ultimately worsening the balance of trade." Sure, when you import more than you export it means you have nothing of your own and are dependent upon an outside source of that which you cannot produce that can then be leveraged against you to force compitulation at the suppliers will.
I really think Russia is shot, I mean I don't think they have the ability to deliver on their side of mutual assured destruction. I think we should strike while the iron is hot.
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(07-23-2025, 03:49 PM)putnam6 Wrote: For a less simplistic and elementary perspective...
Anybody with half a brain knew the tariff flap would raise prices temporarily.
Let's see where they are in 12 months.
Still, the temporary tariff flap increase of 2-3% is only about $10.50 for every $350 on groceries
Have said it before, our gas prices are significantly lower, averaging 36 cents a gallon over last July, so much so that our savings monthly easily cover the current 2-3% increase in groceries if you fill up your car 2-3 times a month. YMMV
All I suggested is that if EVs were a priority, Americans would have wanted to keep EV mandates and incentives in place; they did not
It's one of his few moves he made that didn't upset too many people at all.
The only reason EVs were set aside was because of the high price and scarcity of charging stations...that will all change now with Toyota's new gen EV @ $18.000 base price and the people will want it. The government needs to give the people what they want by way of incentives and mandates as situations change.
The elitists in government can't, never have and never will, understand the life of regular working class people when all they've known is privilege and wealth. They have to be made to understand.
Many people including some MAGA are very upset about US economics (not to mention the Epstein cover up) or don't you know about FAFO,MAGA?
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(07-24-2025, 07:45 AM)quintessentone Wrote: The only reason EVs were set aside was because of the high price and scarcity of charging stations...that will all change now with Toyota's new gen EV @ $18.000 base price and the people will want it. The government needs to give the people what they want by way of incentives and mandates as situations change.
The elitists in government can't, never have and never will, understand the life of regular working class people when all they've known is privilege and wealth. They have to be made to understand.
Many people including some MAGA are very upset about US economics (not to mention the Epstein cover up) or don't you know about FAFO,MAGA?
OK, you sound more emotionally invested, that must make it true...
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(07-24-2025, 08:01 AM)putnam6 Wrote: OK, you sound more emotionally invested, that must make it true...
I suppose I feel sorry for the average hard working American, so I tend to point out the truth that emotionally triggers your desire to dismiss anything other than the narrative you keep trying to defend, but fail at.
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When is a trade deal not really a deal?
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