More than 50 countries have reached out to the President to begin tariff negotiations

[quintessentone]

for perspective...
 

for perspective... 2026 is a whole new ballgame with affordable $18,000 EVs from Japan to be shipped to your country. The US automakers know it even if you don't want to fathom the idea.

[IDELB2006]

So Trump is closing or close to closing extremely favorable trade deals with Japan and Indonesia.

Both Indonesia and Japan saying they will open up thier markets to US goods is huge. Japan buying America for its defense is huge for the MIC

Who else is left that is a significant trade partner? Europe? South Korea?

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Don't forget Canada, Mexico,  and China.

Hopefully at some point we start to see the inflation, and interest rates going down, instead of up.

[putnam6]

for perspective... 2026 is a whole new ballgame with affordable $18,000 EVs from Japan to be shipped to your country. The US automakers know it even if you don't want to fathom the idea.

Again, for proper perspective, it's about percentages; the EV market isn't huge in America; it just isn't. 

7% 

It has a lower ceiling for now because we just don't have the infrastructure and convenience to support EVs like we do on combustion engines

Especially with affordable gasoline prices. 

EVs are fine for city and suburban commutes, but for long-distance and rural travel? We are years from EV's capturing even 15% of the market.

18,000 EV, I'd love it. Can I recharge it in Wetumpka, Alabama, for a trip to Mobile, Alabama and on into New Orleans like I can gas up my current ride?

Respectfully, there's no way this administration builds 12,500 stations a year to support huge sales in an 18,000 EV it will sell well in cities and California, and the Northeast, where charging stations are in abundance. 


 

Context and Challenges

• Current Baseline: As of the end of 2024, the U.S. had approximately 64,187 public charging stations (204,000 non-home ports), with a 43.7% CAGR from 2018–2023. The Biden administration’s goal of 500,000 public ports by 2030 requires adding ~50,000 ports annually, or ~12,500 stations per year.
  
• Delays and Reliability: The NEVI program’s slow rollout (only $30 million of $5 billion spent by 2024) and a 78% reliability rate for public chargers highlight challenges. A February 2025 pause in NEVI funding approvals may delay some 2025 deployments.
  
• Regional Focus: New stations are prioritized in urban areas, low-income communities, and along highways, but rural areas remain underserved, potentially limiting 2025 deployments in those regions.
  

 

As of July 2025, electric vehicle (EV) charging stations in the U.S. have grown significantly but remain unevenly distributed, with higher concentrations in urban areas and certain states. Here’s a detailed overview based on available data:
Scale and Growth

• Total Charging Ports: By the end of 2024, the U.S. had approximately 204,000 non-home charging ports (public and workplace) for light-duty EVs, with over 61,000 public charging stations as of February 2024, more than doubling from 29,000 in 2020.
  
• Growth Rate: From 2019 to 2024, non-home charging infrastructure grew at about 25% annually, with a 35% increase from June 2023 (151,000 ports) to 2024 (204,000 ports). DC fast chargers saw a 56% increase (33,000 to 51,000), while Level 2 chargers grew by 29% (118,000 to 153,000).
  
• Charging Outlets: As of April 2024, there were over 168,300 public and private EV charging outlets across the U.S., with California leading at nearly 44,600.
  
• Recent Developments: By Q2 2024, public charging ports increased by 6.5%, with DC fast chargers growing fastest at 7.4%. A post on X from July 2025 reported 11,400 public charging stations, though this figure may refer to specific networks or locations.
  

Distribution

• Geographic Spread:
  • Urban vs. Rural: 60% of urban residents live within a mile of a public charger, compared to 41% in suburbs and only 17% in rural areas. 95% of Americans live in a county with at least one public charger, but access varies significantly.
    
  • State Variations: Vermont has the highest per capita charging deployment (1,738 chargers per million residents), followed by Washington, D.C., and California. Louisiana has the lowest at 164 per million. California dominates in total chargers due to its high EV sales.
    
  • Problem Areas: Rural areas like Ferry County, Washington, and Wise County, Virginia, often lack chargers, with some counties having none, hindering EV adoption.
    
• EV-to-Charger Ratio: The national average is about 22 EVs per non-home charger, ranging from 9 (in states with lower EV adoption) to 47 (in high-EV states like New Jersey). In 2021, Wyoming had the best ratio at 4.2 EVs per port, while New Jersey had the worst at 41.7.
  

Types of Chargers

• Level 1: Uses standard 120V outlets, typically for home charging, providing ~40 miles of range in 8 hours. Common for residential use but less prevalent in public settings.
  
• Level 2: Dominates public charging with 153,000 ports by 2024, offering 3-5 hour charging times. Accounts for ~75% of non-home chargers.
  
• DC Fast Chargers: 51,000 ports by 2024, growing rapidly due to demand for long-distance travel. These chargers (up to 500 kW) are critical along highways, with federal plans mandating stations every 50 miles on interstates, capable of charging four EVs at 150 kW.
  
• Ultra-Fast Chargers: Emerging, with some delivering 350 kW+, though only high-end EVs can utilize these speeds currently.
  

Key Players and Networks

• Tesla Superchargers: Tesla operates ~12,000 Superchargers in the U.S., accounting for ~75% of fast-charging capacity. By 2025, Tesla’s North American Charging Standard (NACS) is being adopted by manufacturers like Ford, GM, Honda, Hyundai, and Volvo, with adapters for CCS1-equipped vehicles.
  
• Other Networks: ChargePoint (51.5% of Level 2 ports in 2021), Electrify America, EVgo, and Blink Charging are major players. ChargePoint and GM plan to add 500 ultra-fast ports by late 2025.
  
• Private Sector: Companies like Shell, Volkswagen, and BP Pulse are investing heavily (e.g., Shell’s $150M for fast-charging in 2025).
  

Government and Policy Support

• Federal Funding: The 2021 Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act and 2022 Inflation Reduction Act allocated $7.5 billion for EV charging, including the National Electric Vehicle Infrastructure (NEVI) program aiming for 500,000 public chargers by 2030. In 2024, $521 million in grants supported over 9,200 new ports across 29 states and tribes.
  
• State Initiatives: Programs like New York’s $21M Central Hudson EV Make-Ready and California’s $7M Charge! Program subsidize charger installations.
  
• Standards: By 2025, major automakers are adopting Tesla’s NACS, and new public chargers must include CCS2 connectors in some regions, improving interoperability.
  

Challenges

• Reliability: A 2024 Harvard study found public chargers are only 78% reliable, with issues like erratic pricing and maintenance cited as barriers.
  
• Equity and Access: Rural and low-income areas lag in charger deployment, creating adoption barriers.
  
• Utilization: Many chargers, especially fast chargers, have low utilization rates (e.g., 5% in 2021), built ahead of demand.
  
• Public Perception: Only 17% of Americans are confident in the U.S.’s ability to build sufficient EV infrastructure, though confidence is higher (20%) among those near chargers.
  

Market Context

• EV Market Share: BEVs held 7% of the U.S. light vehicle market in May-June 2025, down from 8% earlier in the year. Total EV sales reached 6.3 million by 2024, with 1.5 million sold in 2024 alone (10% of new vehicle sales).
  
• Charging Market Size: The U.S. EV charging infrastructure market was valued at $5.09 billion in 2024, projected to grow at a 30.3% CAGR to 2030, driven by public and private investments.
  

Comparison to Gas Stations

• The U.S. has ~145,000 gas stations with 1.4 million pumps, compared to 61,000+ public EV charging stations and 204,000 ports. While home charging (90% of EV charging) reduces reliance on public infrastructure, public chargers are critical for long-distance travel and urban renters.
  

Regional Insights

• California: Leads with nearly 44,600 outlets, driven by high EV adoption and state policies.
  
• Northeast: Saw the largest public charging growth in Q2 2024 (13.2%).
  
• Rural Gaps: States like Mississippi, Louisiana, and Kentucky have the fewest chargers per resident, limiting EV practicality.
  

Future Outlook

• Projections: S&P Global estimates a need for 1.2 million Level 2 chargers by 2027 and nearly double that by 2030 to support EV growth. Publicly announced investments plan for 164,000 new DC fast chargers and 1.5 million Level 2 chargers by 2030.
  
• Policy Goals: The Biden administration aims for EVs to be 50% of vehicle sales by 2030, requiring significant charger expansion, especially in underserved areas.
  

[putnam6]

Don't forget Canada, Mexico,  and China.

Hopefully at some point we start to see the inflation, and interest rates going down, instead of up.

China and the US negotiations are ongoing, and most sectors will have interim agreements till everything is settled, or will revert to pre-tariff expansion till settled.

Europe, Mexico, and Canada are the last 2-3 big ones.

Interest rates should have already been cut, but likely will be in September, if the scuttlebutt is correct. 

I'll know by then how much Trump has helped or hurt my industry sector.

We were down slightly in 2024 compared to 2023 overall, but so far, 2025 has been positive.

[quintessentone]

Again, for proper perspective, it's about percentages; the EV market isn't huge in America; it just isn't. 

7% 

It has a lower ceiling for now because we just don't have the infrastructure and convenience to support EVs like we do on combustion engines

Especially with affordable gasoline prices. 

EVs are fine for city and suburban commutes, but for long-distance and rural travel? We are years from EV's capturing even 15% of the market.

18,000 EV, I'd love it. Can I recharge it in Wetumpka, Alabama, for a trip to Mobile, Alabama and on into New Orleans like I can gas up my current ride?

Respectfully, there's no way this administration builds 12,500 stations a year to support huge sales in an 18,000 EV it will sell well in cities and California, and the Northeast, where charging stations are in abundance. 


 

Yeah, I want one too.

The new EV FWD model has a range of 252 miles. Who in rural USA needs to travel that far, one way, each day?

Toyota/General Motors and others are teaming up with EVgo to provide charging stations throughout all of the US because this is the #1 main factor (plus over pricing) why people can't or won't buy EV.

3 ways to charge in video:

Bing Videos

I really don't know how the other car makers EV lines will be able to compete with this.

[putnam6]

Yeah, I want one too.

The new EV FWD model has a range of 252 miles. Who in rural USA needs to travel that far, one way, each day?

Toyota/General Motors and others are teaming up with EVgo to provide charging stations throughout all of the US because this is the #1 main factor (plus over pricing) why people can't or won't buy EV.

3 ways to charge in video:

Bing Videos

I really don't know how the other car makers EV lines will be able to compete with this.

There won't be the tax breaks and incentives to build enough charging stations

 

Chargers in 2023 are insufficient to fully support the global EV fleet, especially for commercial and government drivers who rely more on public or dedicated charging infrastructure. While home chargers meet much of the demand for private drivers in suburban or single-family home settings, they fall short in urban areas and for high-mileage commercial fleets. To support all EV drivers, a balanced expansion of home, public, workplace, and depot chargers is needed, with a focus on fast-charging networks for commercial and government use. By 2035, the charging infrastructure must grow 10-fold to keep up with projected EV growth.


Current home charging infrastructure isn't sufficient to meet the needs of all commercial, government, and private EV drivers, especially as electric vehicle adoption grows rapidly. Let’s break this down based on available data and projections, focusing on whether the estimated 27 million home chargers globally (as of 2023) can support the full range of EV drivers.Scale of EV Adoption

• Global EV Fleet: According to the IEA, there were about 43 million electric light-duty vehicles (LDVs) globally in 2023, including battery electric vehicles (BEVs) and plug-in hybrids (PHEVs). This includes private, commercial (e.g., taxis, delivery vans), and government fleets.
  • Private vehicles dominate, but commercial EVs (e.g., delivery vans, ride-sharing) are growing, with companies like Amazon and Uber electrifying fleets.
    
  • Government fleets (e.g., municipal buses, police vehicles) are smaller but increasing, especially in regions like Europe and China with strong decarbonization policies.
    
• Charging Demand: The IEA estimates an average of 1.6 EVs per home charger in 2023, meaning the 27 million home chargers supported roughly 43 million EVs. However, this assumes most EVs rely primarily on home charging, which isn’t always true for commercial or government fleets.
  

Gaps in Meeting Demand

1. Commercial Drivers:
   • Commercial EVs, like delivery vans or ride-sharing vehicles, often require public or workplace charging due to high daily mileage and lack of access to home chargers. For example:
     • A typical ride-sharing driver might need 50-100 kWh daily, often requiring Level 3 (DC fast charging) at public stations rather than slower home chargers.
       
     • In urban areas, many commercial drivers live in apartments without dedicated home charging, relying on public infrastructure.
       
   • The IEA notes that public chargers (about 2.7 million globally in 2023) are critical for commercial fleets, but these are far outnumbered by home chargers, and fast chargers (needed for quick turnaround) make up only a fraction.
     
2. Government Fleets:
   • Government EVs, such as electric buses or municipal vehicles, typically rely on dedicated depot charging rather than home chargers. For example:
     • Electric buses in China (over 600,000 in 2023) use depot-based fast chargers, not residential infrastructure.
       
     • Police or utility vehicles may charge at government facilities, reducing dependence on home chargers.
       
   • Home charging is largely irrelevant for these fleets, so the 27 million home chargers don’t directly address their needs.
     
3. Private Drivers:
   • Private EV owners are the primary users of home chargers, with 50-80% of charging occurring at home in regions like the U.S. and Europe.
     
   • However, in dense urban areas or developing countries, many private drivers lack access to home charging due to living in multi-unit dwellings or limited electrical capacity. For example:
     • In China, only about 50% of EV owners have reliable home charging due to apartment-heavy urban areas.
       
     • In India, a 2023 study showed 45% of potential EV buyers cited lack of home charging as a barrier.
       
   • The 27 million home chargers are heavily skewed toward single-family homes in wealthier regions, leaving gaps for urban or lower-income drivers.
     

Future Projections and Shortfalls

• Growth in EV Demand: The IEA projects 240-270 million EVs by 2035 under various scenarios, requiring a massive expansion of charging infrastructure. To keep pace:
  • Home chargers could need to grow to 270-300 million by 2035, assuming 1-1.5 EVs per charger.
    
  • Public chargers (especially fast chargers) must scale to 15-25 million to support commercial and urban drivers, compared to 2.7 million in 2023.
    
• Commercial and Government Needs: Home chargers alone can’t support these sectors due to their reliance on fast or depot charging. For example:
  • Commercial fleets need high-power chargers (100-350 kW) for quick turnaround, which home chargers (typically 7-22 kW) can’t provide.
    
  • Government fleets often require centralized charging hubs, which are separate from residential infrastructure.
    
• Infrastructure Gaps: Even with 27 million home chargers, regions like Africa, South Asia, and parts of Latin America have minimal charging infrastructure, and urban areas globally lack enough public chargers for commercial and apartment-dwelling drivers.
  

Commuters and low-mileage persons are fine, it just doesn't check all the boxes of all motorists #1


In rural America, the majority will want a vehicle they can work on themselves  #2

#3, plenty of construction and contract workers, and traveling businessmen who travel long distances are on location for an hour to a day or 2 and move on. It's not just long-haul truckers. If you travel on our roads for business, it is difficult to plan out where to stop, if I have access to a charger, not a lot of hotels have chargers in the lots of areas. 

Hell, even at Terminex locally, I lived in my truck a lot, was on plenty of sites where I'd need a charge that won't have one. Then at the end of the day, I'd be 30 miles from home and nowhere to charge

[quintessentone]

There won't be the tax breaks and incentives to build enough charging stations

 

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Commuters and low-mileage persons are fine, it just doesn't check all the boxes of all motorists #1


In rural America, the majority will want a vehicle they can work on themselves  #2

#3, plenty of construction and contract workers, and traveling businessmen who travel long distances are on location for an hour to a day or 2 and move on. It's not just long-haul truckers. If you travel on our roads for business, it is difficult to plan out where to stop, if I have access to a charger, not a lot of hotels have chargers in the lots of areas. 

Hell, even at Terminex locally, I lived in my truck a lot, was on plenty of sites where I'd need a charge that won't have one. Then at the end of the day, I'd be 30 miles from home and nowhere to charge

Well, EVgo and GM and Toyota are working to get it done, so I'm not sure how Trump's money figures into this. BTW, if the people want EVs then why aren't their tax dollars going into this?

"Poll US citizens that want affordable EV carsThe poll results indicate a mixed but growing interest in electric vehicles among U.S. citizens. Here are some key findings:

• 38% of Americans are very or somewhat likely to consider an electric vehicle for their next purchase, a slight increase from previous surveys. 
  
  
  
• Cost remains a significant barrier, with 40% of respondents citing it as a primary reason for not considering an EV. 
  
  
  
• Range anxiety and lack of public charging stations are also concerns, with 40% of respondents expressing these as reasons for not considering an EV. 
  
  
  
• Democrats and youthful voters are more likely to consider an EV, with 68% of those who currently own an EV expressing a likelihood to consider one for their next purchase. 
  
  
  
• Public confidence in the infrastructure to support EVs is low, with 53% not too or not at all confident in the infrastructure's ability to meet demand. 
  
  
  These findings suggest that while there is a growing interest in electric vehicles, many Americans are still concerned about the cost, range, and infrastructure issues that could affect their decision to purchase an EV"
  

Trump seems to deliberately keeping you guys in the dark ages.

[SomeStupidName]

Well, EVgo and GM and Toyota are working to get it done, so I'm not sure how Trump's money figures into this. BTW, if the people want EVs then why aren't their tax dollars going into this?

"Poll US citizens that want affordable EV carsThe poll results indicate a mixed but growing interest in electric vehicles among U.S. citizens. Here are some key findings:

• 38% of Americans are very or somewhat likely to consider an electric vehicle for their next purchase, a slight increase from previous surveys. 
  
  
  
• Cost remains a significant barrier, with 40% of respondents citing it as a primary reason for not considering an EV. 
  
  
  
• Range anxiety and lack of public charging stations are also concerns, with 40% of respondents expressing these as reasons for not considering an EV. 
  
  
  
• Democrats and youthful voters are more likely to consider an EV, with 68% of those who currently own an EV expressing a likelihood to consider one for their next purchase. 
  
  
  
• Public confidence in the infrastructure to support EVs is low, with 53% not too or not at all confident in the infrastructure's ability to meet demand. 
  
  
  These findings suggest that while there is a growing interest in electric vehicles, many Americans are still concerned about the cost, range, and infrastructure issues that could affect their decision to purchase an EV"
  

Trump seems to deliberately keeping you guys in the dark ages.

If you say so, we'll do us you can do you.

[quintessentone]

If you say so, we'll do us you can do you.

You don't do you, Trump does you.

[putnam6]

Well, EVgo and GM and Toyota are working to get it done, so I'm not sure how Trump's money figures into this. BTW, if the people want EVs then why aren't their tax dollars going into this?

"Poll US citizens that want affordable EV carsThe poll results indicate a mixed but growing interest in electric vehicles among U.S. citizens. Here are some key findings:

• 38% of Americans are very or somewhat likely to consider an electric vehicle for their next purchase, a slight increase from previous surveys. 
  
  
  
• Cost remains a significant barrier, with 40% of respondents citing it as a primary reason for not considering an EV. 
  
  
  
• Range anxiety and lack of public charging stations are also concerns, with 40% of respondents expressing these as reasons for not considering an EV. 
  
  
  
• Democrats and youthful voters are more likely to consider an EV, with 68% of those who currently own an EV expressing a likelihood to consider one for their next purchase. 
  
  
  
• Public confidence in the infrastructure to support EVs is low, with 53% not too or not at all confident in the infrastructure's ability to meet demand. 
  
  
  These findings suggest that while there is a growing interest in electric vehicles, many Americans are still concerned about the cost, range, and infrastructure issues that could affect their decision to purchase an EV"
  

Trump seems to deliberately keeping you guys in the dark ages.

Dark ages, you mean like Spain and Portugal?


There was a reason Elon got pissy: Trump removed the EV mandate and incentives 

If Americans wanted EVs exclusively, we would have elected another President.