Lefties proven (again) to tend smarter than right-wingers

[Oldcarpy2]

Well....I see the Leftists are still here stroking their ego.

If you have to try that hard to convince people of your superiority.......

Leftists?  No.

Just folk that think MAGA folk are extremist right wing douche bags.

[David64]

Leftists?  No.

Just folk that think MAGA folk are extremist right wing douche bags.

Why would anyone care about the opinion of a group of self promoting Narcissists ?
I may not have the lofty IQ they claim to have, but if I've learned anything in 61 years, the people who are constantly preening and strutting to impress others are generally the insecure douchebags.

[DBCowboy]

While the extremes of politics (left and right) have a history of doing evil, many of the proponents of ideologies believe that they were for the betterment of mankind.  

Nazi's thought they were doing the right thing, obviously they weren't.

Soviet communists thought they were doing the right thing.  Obviously they weren't.

Why does the evil communist left think THEY are doing the right thing when all they are doing is copying from Stalin and hitler?

[Byrd]

Nazi's thought they were doing the right thing, obviously they weren't.

Soviet communists thought they were doing the right thing.  Obviously they weren't.

Why does the evil communist left think THEY are doing the right thing when all they are doing is copying from Stalin and hitler?

More to the point, what, exactly do you think Stalin and Hitler's policies were?

The Neo-Nazis are the ones who are wholeheartedly embracing Hitler's political goals and ideas.  Putin embodies Stalin's ideas.

I can't think of a single liberal who cheers for Neo-Nazis or Putin.

[DBCowboy]

More to the point, what, exactly do you think Stalin and Hitler's policies were?

The Neo-Nazis are the ones who are wholeheartedly embracing Hitler's political goals and ideas.  Putin embodies Stalin's ideas.

I can't think of a single liberal who cheers for Neo-Nazis or Putin.

Maybe you lived in a cave and wasn't aware of covid and what the leftists did.

[Solvedit]

More to the point, what, exactly do you think Stalin and Hitler's policies were?

The Neo-Nazis are the ones who are wholeheartedly embracing Hitler's political goals and ideas.  Putin embodies Stalin's ideas.

I can't think of a single liberal who cheers for Neo-Nazis or Putin.

Nazism was full of the poorest, most desperate Germans.  Hitler never won more than 33% of the popular vote.  

The Nazi party platform is full of things like redistributing the department stores and preventing the gentrification of German land.  I'd say the far left is unilaterally, extra-politically often involved in redistributing the department stores.

The far left is evolving.  It has learned to form coalitions and create a unified PC identity from a coalition of various identities.  They are still using identity politics just like the Nazis except for inclusivity.  Identity is still being used as a path to entitlement.  They do often have thugs rioting in the streets and intimidating people into ideological conformity, just like the Sturmabteilung. 

Many claim the Nazi state was all about corporations.  This is not true.  Would the reds under Lenin have built up design bureaus and factories from scratch if they had had a wealth of well-run, effective corporations to socialize?  They probably would have done as Hitler did.  German companies in the Nazi state got to keep their name and management but had to work for the state and include a Nazi officer on their board of directors.  Corporate profit was redirected into improving the industry for the interests of the state, and for universal employment.

[chr0naut]

Maybe you lived in a cave and wasn't aware of covid and what the leftists did.

The COVID-19 pandemic happened almost entirely during the first Trump administration.

Several of the vaccines were heavily funded and authorizations pushed through quickly by Trump's 'Project Warp Speed', and not by 'the left'.

There are 222 countries who had fewer deaths per million of population than the USA did. The USA performed the 16th worst in the world as far as mortality ratio per million of population.

The reason is that COVID-19 was an infectious disease, and the USA under Trump treated it as if it was something, anything, else.

And COVID-19 is still killing Americans in greater ratio than most other countries.

[PorkChop96]

The COVID-19 pandemic happened almost entirely during the first Trump administration.

Several of the vaccines were heavily funded and authorizations pushed through quickly by Trump's Project Warp Speed, and not by 'the left'.

There are 222 countries who had fewer deaths per million of population than the USA did. The USA performed the 16th worst in the world as far as mortality ratio per million of population.

And COVID-19 is still killing Americans in greater ratio than most other countries. And still, the USA hasn't lifted their game, so great has been the impact of their idiot in chief.

I think you forget that COVID was at its "worst" from 2021-2023, Trump left office Feb of 2021......so wrong #1


The "vaccines" may have been pushed for by Trump but it wasn't until Sleepy Joe came into the picture that wee had the mandates, vaccine passports, widespread shutdowns, and people losing their jobs over not taking the jab.  Not to mention the thousands of small businesses that went out of business during Bidens shutdowns while all of the major corporations stayed open and "thrived". 


Is the COVID-19 that is "still killing Americans" in the room with us right now?

[David64]

I think you forget that COVID was at its "worst" from 2021-2023, Trump left office Feb of 2021......so wrong #1


The "vaccines" may have been pushed for by Trump but it wasn't until Sleepy Joe came into the picture that wee had the mandates, vaccine passports, widespread shutdowns, and people losing their jobs over not taking the jab.  Not to mention the thousands of small businesses that went out of business during Bidens shutdowns while all of the major corporations stayed open and "thrived". 


Is the COVID-19 that is "still killing Americans" in the room with us right now?

The same group of people who claim My Body My Choice when it come to abortion, are also the same people who insist YOU get a untried vaccine for THEIR protection. It's only your body when they approve of what you're doing with it.

[Byrd]

Nazism was full of the poorest, most desperate Germans.  Hitler never won more than 33% of the popular vote.  

The Nazi party platform is full of things like redistributing the department stores and preventing the gentrification of German land.  I'd say the far left is unilaterally, extra-politically often involved in redistributing the department stores.

The far left is evolving.  It has learned to form coalitions and create a unified PC identity from a coalition of various identities.  They are still using identity politics just like the Nazis except for inclusivity.  Identity is still being used as a path to entitlement.  They do often have thugs rioting in the streets and intimidating people into ideological conformity, just like the Sturmabteilung. 

Many claim the Nazi state was all about corporations.  This is not true.  Would the reds under Lenin have built up design bureaus and factories from scratch if they had had a wealth of well-run, effective corporations to socialize?  They probably would have done as Hitler did.  German companies in the Nazi state got to keep their name and management but had to work for the state and include a Nazi officer on their board of directors.  Corporate profit was redirected into improving the industry for the interests of the state, and for universal employment.

Mmmkay.  Let's have a different perspective -- I lived in post-war Germany in the 1950's and 1960's.  My dad was in the Army, so we were part of the Occupation, so let me address some of your points (before going into the platform) from personal (and research) foundations.

* Hitler won 43.9% of the popular vote (Wikipedia and other sources)
* Nazis were not "poorest and most desperate", nor were these people necessarily voting Nazi.  
* The difference between actual Nazis and many of the Germans is similar to the difference between MAGA and Republicans.  Many liked some of the policies but felt the Nazis were too extreme.
* Also note that the Nazis were interested in "racial purity" (no race/culture mixing) and even had a breeding program to produce the "perfect German" -- tall, strong, blonde, very intelligent.  My late father-in-law met one of the children born in this program and said the guy was impressive.

Now, let's take a look at the Nazi party platform (both in the past and in the present): https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/e...%20Germany.

I am looking at "things that are in the party platform" not "things some loudmouth is saying."  I also assume that Trump's executive orders reflect Republican policy.

For the sake of "let's not lumber the site with unnecessary verbiage, I'm just going to refer to each of the official platform statements (there are 25) by number.  The link up there will give the exact wording.

#1 - not anything in any Democratic party platform.  It "sorta" sounds like something MAGA might like, but AFIK it's not officially Republican, either.
#2 - not anything in any Democratic platform.  However, it's something Trump favors.
#3 - most certainly not Democratic.  But... it does sound like Trump and the "oil situation."
#4 - Republican (ICE raids of anyone who "looks" foreign)
#5 - Republican.
#6 - both parties, actually.  Republicans support the first statement, Democrats the second (consider who Trump is appointing and who he appointed in his first term (and all the scandals there.))
#7 - both parties.  Democrats obviously support the first (though I'm sure Republicans do as well) but only the Republicans support deportation as a method of creating more jobs.  I'm not sure that they stop to consider that these jobs are things like "picking grapes" and "janitor" and "bedpan cleaner."
#8 - Republican.
#9 - Democrats do support the Equal Rights Amendment.
#10 - Not a platform point for either party.
#11 - Neither party is running on "no interest on loans."
#12 - Neither party is running on "confiscate all war profits."
#13 - Neither party is for nationalization of companies.  Both seem to be rather explicitly against it.
#14 - Profit-sharing ... Neither is explicitly for it, but Democrats are more likely to favor it.
#15 - Social security.  Yep.  All on the Democrats here.
#16 - Mixed bag here.  Both want a healthy middle class, neither wants department stores communalized, both want opportunities for small businesses to bid in government contracts.
#17 - Another mixed bag.  Both dislike land (think "housing") speculation, but Democrats are more likely to want to rein in the big house-and-apartment buying conglomerates (some of which are owned by foreigners.)  Both parties are not much in favor of eminent domain (though this depends on the situation), which is actually written into the Constitution. 
#18 - Republicans tend to favor outcomes that punish with death.
#19 - Republicans are most likely to favor "Biblical-based law"
#20 - both parties, to some extent.
#21 - Democrats
#22 - Not applicable
#23 - Republican (see Trump orders/executive orders on who can report news.)
#24 - Both...but watch out for that "doesn't offend the German race" clause.  If you say "White Christians" then it goes to the Republicans.
#25 - Both, but weakly.


So, tallying it up, neither party has a lock on "being like the Nazi party."  
5 of the items are "neither party"
5 are "both parties"
2 are "mixed bag" with both parties supporting some part of what was said.
3 are Democratic Party legislative items
6 are Republican legislative issues
2 are "weakly Republican" -- have shown up in legislation/Trump talking points
2 are Trump agenda items, though I'm not ready to say they're Republican agendas.
1 is "Not applicable"

So... while there are loudmouths in each party who espouse all or most of the above, neither party has a lock on "Nazi agenda" as their platform.   Some items (Social security, free education) are popular in almost all First World countries.  Some items are popular with both parties.  Some are universally rejected by both parties.