Lefties proven (again) to tend smarter than right-wingers

[Byrd]

Maybe you lived in a cave and wasn't aware of covid and what the leftists did.

Nope.  I live with immune compromised people and worked in an epidemiology lab for several years... and while being a teaching assistant for the Department of Preventive Medicine even co-wrote a paper (with the department head) on epidemiology as well as doing requested research on yellow fever outbreaks.

So I get shots, make sure that my family has all the immunizations, and keep my own very up to date (including the Covid vaccine; my 6th dose was last week since I attend some large (over 5,000 people) conventions several times a year...and I mask up at those conventions.)  We're all "no-vids" (never had Covid) except for my daughter, who was part of the Covid vaccine research trials and got her vaccine before the rest of the world did.  She wasn't able to get the booster on time and caught Covid then.)


ALSO -- vaccines and mandatory vaccines were never part of Stalin's and Hitler's agendas.

[Solvedit]

So, tallying it up, neither party has a lock on "being like the Nazi party."  

You are confusing the point of the thread with the official boilerplate of the US Democratic party.

Consider reviewing the original post and the thread title.

* Hitler won 43.9% of the popular vote (Wikipedia and other sources)

I should have said in a free and fair election. 

From Wikipedia, emphasis added:
Federal elections were held in Germany on 5 March 1933, after the Nazi seizure of power on 30 January and just six days after the Reichstag fire. The election saw Nazi stormtroopers unleash a widespread campaign of violence against the Communist Party (KPD), left-wingers,  trade unionists, the Social Democratic Party and the Centre Party.  They were the last multi-party elections in a united Germany until the all-German vote in 1990, though by 1933, the democratic process had ceased to be free or fair.

The 1933 election followed the previous year's two elections (July and November) and Hitler's appointment as Chancellor on 30 January. In the months before the 1933 election, SA and SS displayed "terror, repression and propaganda ... across the land",  and Nazi organizations "monitored" the vote process. In Prussia, 50,000 members of the SS, SA and Der Stahlhelm were ordered to monitor the votes by acting Interior Minister Hermann Göring, as auxiliary police.

The Nazi Party (NSDAP) experienced a sharp rise in support compared to the November 1932 election, and together with its coalition partner, the German National People's Party (DNVP), secured a majority in the Reichstag. This marked the first time since 1930 that a governing coalition held a clear parliamentary majority. However, the election was far from fair.

[DBCowboy]

Nope.  I live with immune compromised people and worked in an epidemiology lab for several years... and while being a teaching assistant for the Department of Preventive Medicine even co-wrote a paper (with the department head) on epidemiology as well as doing requested research on yellow fever outbreaks.

So I get shots, make sure that my family has all the immunizations, and keep my own very up to date (including the Covid vaccine; my 6th dose was last week since I attend some large (over 5,000 people) conventions several times a year...and I mask up at those conventions.)  We're all "no-vids" (never had Covid) except for my daughter, who was part of the Covid vaccine research trials and got her vaccine before the rest of the world did.  She wasn't able to get the booster on time and caught Covid then.)


ALSO -- vaccines and mandatory vaccines were never part of Stalin's and Hitler's agendas.

Mandatory showers were. . . . 

And since you brought up epidemiology, shouldn't you have cringed at the thought of concentrating vectors to expose the most people?

[KrustyKrab]

Mandatory showers were. . . . 

And since you brought up epidemiology, shouldn't you have cringed at the thought of concentrating vectors to expose the most people?

Not going into this comical thread….  But lefty’s say and do the stupidest chit I’ve ever heard in my life. Liberal professors are at the top of the ladder when it comes to stupid, some of the dumbest walking on the planet.

[chr0naut]

Nazi's thought they were doing the right thing, obviously they weren't.

Soviet communists thought they were doing the right thing.  Obviously they weren't.

Why does the evil communist left think THEY are doing the right thing when all they are doing is copying from Stalin and hitler?

The Nazi's and Italian Fascists were extreme right-wing. The Communist Soviets were extreme left-wing.

Stalin, like Trump, was all about himself, and didn't follow any particular ideology too closely.

The centre-left and the centre-right aren't Communists, nor Nazi's. They form the great middle.

Between the extremes are relatively normal people, who do relatively normal things, living their own, relatively normal lives. There are very many more in the middle than there are at the extremes, and there always has been:

[DBCowboy]

The Nazi's and Italian Fascists were extreme right-wing. The Communist Soviets were extreme left-wing.

Stalin, like Trump, was all about himself, and didn't follow any particular ideology too closely.

The centre-left and the centre-right aren't Communists, nor Nazi's. They form the great middle.

Between the extremes are relatively normal people, who do relatively normal things, living their own, relatively normal lives. There are very many more in the middle than there are at the extremes, and there always has been:

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Pretty picture.

When do you plan on dictating to people what they can and cannot do?

[chr0naut]

Nazism was full of the poorest, most desperate Germans.  Hitler never won more than 33% of the popular vote.  

In the March 1933 German Federal vote, the Nazi Party won 43.9% of the popular vote, which was the highest number of votes of any of the four other competing parties.

At the time of the 1933 election, most of the people who voted for the Nazi's were war veterans, who were usually quite poor, on account of the fact that Germany lost the previous war and was forced to pay reparations for the damages it caused by starting the First World War (by invading Belgium and numerous other countries according to their 'Von Schlieffen Plan').

The Nazi party platform is full of things like redistributing the department stores and preventing the gentrification of German land.  I'd say the far left is unilaterally, extra-politically often involved in redistributing the department stores.

The Nazi party 'redistributed' department stores, primarily through a process of "Aryanization" that aimed to eliminate Jewish ownership and transfer these assets to non-Jewish, "Aryan" ownership.

Key details regarding their 'redistribution' policy include:

- Anti-Semitic Targeting: The destruction and restructuring of large department stores were key components of the Nazi party manifesto and early propaganda.

- Forced Sales ("Aryanization"): Jewish business people were forced to sign over their businesses or sell them at severely depressed prices to non-Jewish employees or Aryan entities. A major example was the forcing out of the Tietz/Zwillenberg family from the Hermann Tietz OHG department store group, which was a significant "Aryanization" in the early years of the regime.

- Boycotts and Violence: The campaign against these businesses began with boycotts, house searches, plundering, and violence, which intensified in 1933.

- Resulting Structure: By the early 1930s, major chains like Karstadt and Hermann Tietz, which had been large employers and high-volume sellers, were forced into this reorganization process.

The Nazi ideas of 'redistribution' were racial. They weren't for the reasons of improved efficiency or for the betterment of all.

The far left is evolving.  It has learned to form coalitions and create a unified PC identity from a coalition of various identities.  They are still using identity politics just like the Nazis except for inclusivity.  Identity is still being used as a path to entitlement.  They do often have thugs rioting in the streets and intimidating people into ideological conformity, just like the Sturmabteilung. 

Those are the tactics of the extreme right. The Sturmabteilung (the SA Storm-troopers) were the armed thugs that enforced the Nazi regime. Nazi's and the Italian Fascists were extreme right-wing parties (You may notice that no-one suggests that Neo-Nazi extremists are 'leftists').

Many claim the Nazi state was all about corporations.  This is not true.  Would the reds under Lenin have built up design bureaus and factories from scratch if they had had a wealth of well-run, effective corporations to socialize?  They probably would have done as Hitler did.  German companies in the Nazi state got to keep their name and management but had to work for the state and include a Nazi officer on their board of directors.  Corporate profit was redirected into improving the industry for the interests of the state, and for universal employment.

The Nazi's were not about universal employment. They made millions of Jewish people unemployed... and then it made them dead. Nazi's were all about nationalism and racial stereotyping. They only cared about companies if those companies were German and were successful against foreign companies.

[chr0naut]

I think you forget that COVID was at its "worst" from 2021-2023, Trump left office Feb of 2021......so wrong #1

Infectious diseases spread arithmetically, however, despite the numbers of infected, the mortality ratio of the disease fell sharply after the vaccines and monoclonal therapeutics became available:

Annual Mortality Ratios
Year - Case Fatality Rate (%)
2020 - Approximately 5.7%
2021 - Varied, peaking around 2.0%
2022 - Approximately 1.5%
2023 - Approximately 1.19%

Similarly post 2021, the total number of deaths due to COVID-19 began to drop:

COVID-19 Deaths in the United States by Year
The following table summarizes the reported COVID-19 deaths in the United States for each year since the pandemic began:

Year - Reported Deaths
2020 - Approximately 350,000
2021 - Around 475,000
2022 - About 200,000

So, even while there were more cases post 2021, COVID-19 was worse in late 2020 and early 2021, but fell rapidly during 2021.

The "vaccines" may have been pushed for by Trump but it wasn't until Sleepy Joe came into the picture that wee had the mandates, vaccine passports, widespread shutdowns, and people losing their jobs over not taking the jab.  Not to mention the thousands of small businesses that went out of business during Bidens shutdowns while all of the major corporations stayed open and "thrived". 

Bankruptcies in the USA were very low all through the pandemic and well into the Biden administration. The reason for that is that small businesses were bolstered by business support pay-outs from the government. The subsequent rise after the pandemic was things returning to normal levels afterwards:

United States Bankruptcies - Trading Economics - (try adjusting the graph to longer periods than the default).

Is the COVID-19 that is "still killing Americans" in the room with us right now?

COVID-19 Surveillance Data in the United States (2026)

It appears that you are living in 'Trump delusion' space...

[chr0naut]

Pretty picture.

When do you plan on dictating to people what they can and cannot do?

I don't have any authority to do any such thing. Even more-so to foreigners.

However, I would suggest that your government has been doing that to the American people (and even to other countries) for 200 years.

It's sort of what governments do, with all that 'legislation' and stuff...

[Solvedit]

In the March 1933 German Federal vote, the Nazi Party won 43.9% of the popular vote, which was the highest number of votes of any of the four other competing parties.

From Wikipedia, emphasis added:
Federal elections were held in Germany on 5 March 1933, after the Nazi seizure of power on 30 January and just six days after the Reichstag fire. The election saw Nazi stormtroopers unleash a widespread campaign of violence against the Communist Party (KPD), left-wingers,  trade unionists, the Social Democratic Party and the Centre Party.  They were the last multi-party elections in a united Germany until the all-German vote in 1990, though by 1933, the democratic process had ceased to be free or fair.

The 1933 election followed the previous year's two elections (July and November) and Hitler's appointment as Chancellor on 30 January. In the months before the 1933 election, SA and SS displayed "terror, repression and propaganda ... across the land",  and Nazi organizations "monitored" the vote process. In Prussia, 50,000 members of the SS, SA and Der Stahlhelm were ordered to monitor the votes by acting Interior Minister Hermann Göring, as auxiliary police.

The Nazi Party (NSDAP) experienced a sharp rise in support compared to the November 1932 election, and together with its coalition partner, the German National People's Party (DNVP), secured a majority in the Reichstag. This marked the first time since 1930 that a governing coalition held a clear parliamentary majority. However, the election was far from fair.

The Nazi party 'redistributed' department stores, primarily through a process of "Aryanization" that aimed to eliminate Jewish ownership and transfer these assets to non-Jewish, "Aryan" ownership.

That too, but it was actually one point of the Nazi party's official platform and did not mention the ethnicity of the department store owner.

Key details regarding their 'redistribution' policy include:

- Anti-Semitic Targeting: The destruction and restructuring of large department stores were key components of the Nazi party manifesto and early propaganda.

- Forced Sales ("Aryanization"): Jewish business people were forced to sign over their businesses or sell them at severely depressed prices to non-Jewish employees or Aryan entities. A major example was the forcing out of the Tietz/Zwillenberg family from the Hermann Tietz OHG department store group, which was a significant "Aryanization" in the early years of the regime.

- Boycotts and Violence: The campaign against these businesses began with boycotts, house searches, plundering, and violence, which intensified in 1933.

- Resulting Structure: By the early 1930s, major chains like Karstadt and Hermann Tietz, which had been large employers and high-volume sellers, were forced into this reorganization process.

The Nazi ideas of 'redistribution' were racial. They weren't for the reasons of improved efficiency or for the betterment of all.

You're conflating two different things. Socialist redistribution was definitely a part of their program for WW1 veterans. You just charged in and guessed that I was talking about the confiscation of Jewish property.  You know about the Jewish part, I see, but you don't know the rest of your subject.

Those are the tactics of the extreme right. The Sturmabteilung (the SA Storm-troopers) were the armed thugs that enforced the Nazi regime. Nazi's and the Italian Fascists were extreme right-wing parties (You may notice that no-one suggests that Neo-Nazi extremists are 'leftists').

So you're saying there's far-right gangs burning down city centers, obstructing law enforcement, trying to intimidate people into saying slogans against the current analog of the Weimar Republic, throwing full soup cans and frozen water bottles at the actually peaceful protesters on the other side?

Uh, no, you are sadly mistaken. The far left has the brownshirts in the present day. They are the ones trying to shout down opposition.  They are the ones cheering political assassination.  Some far-left billionaire didn't have to buy Twitter to prevent censorship. The conservatives aren't the ones trying to ostracize people for disagreeing with orthodoxy.

The Nazi's were not about universal employment.

Yes they were.  Except for the groups they persecuted.  It's admittedly different from the present day because the various identity groups have learned to cooperate with one another in their quest for various forms of entitlement.

They made millions of Jewish people unemployed... and then it made them dead. Nazi's were all about nationalism and racial stereotyping. They only cared about companies if those companies were German and were successful against foreign companies.

No, they nationalized the companies, confiscated the profits, and ran them for their Socialist state.