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(04-02-2026, 06:52 PM)DBCowboy Wrote: Yet you supported shutdowns and keeping big-box stores open, focusing people into assured vectors.
People died because of a manufactured virus deliberately spread by China.
How we reacted to it, embarrassed me to the core.
Actually, I supported NOT opening the stores to general public, but to move to online ordering and grocery pick up.
And yes, I supported shut downs of big public spaces that crowd a lot of people together (megachurch, for instance) and finding other options. And distancing. And masking. And following the guidelines that the Obama administration had for dealing with potential pandemics.
If Trump hadn't tossed out those guidelines and instead followed them, we could have limited the rapid spread and saved a lot of people who wouldn't have encountered Covid in the first place.
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04-02-2026, 10:40 PM
This post was last modified: 04-02-2026, 10:46 PM by Astyanax. 
(04-02-2026, 06:48 PM)DBCowboy Wrote: Ummmmmmm, no. Just tired of being polite.
All the more reason, I should think, for you to quit raving and go home. Your intellectual shelf-life has expired.
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04-02-2026, 11:18 PM
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(04-02-2026, 09:16 PM)Byrd Wrote: Actually, I supported NOT opening the stores to general public, but to move to online ordering and grocery pick up.
And yes, I supported shut downs of big public spaces that crowd a lot of people together (megachurch, for instance) and finding other options. And distancing. And masking. And following the guidelines that the Obama administration had for dealing with potential pandemics.
If Trump hadn't tossed out those guidelines and instead followed them, we could have limited the rapid spread and saved a lot of people who wouldn't have encountered Covid in the first place.
“The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one" is a famous utilitarian principle spoken by Spock in Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan (1982)
In ethical philosophy, utilitarianism is a family of normative ethical theories that prescribe actions that maximize happiness and well-being for the affected individuals. In other words, utilitarian ideas encourage actions that lead to the greatest good for the greatest number.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilitarianism
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(04-02-2026, 08:00 PM)DBCowboy Wrote: If we had stopped people flying in, you'd have called us a dictator.
That isn't the definition of a dictator.
A dictator, in modern political definition, is a single person who possesses absolute political power within a country or territory.
But, the USA did stop people from flying in (unless they had a US passport - it's like the idiot in chief believed that US citizens who visited China couldn't catch the virus, LOL).
Proclamation on Suspension of Entry as Immigrants and Nonimmigrants of Persons who Pose a Risk of Transmitting 2019 Novel Coronavirus - The White House
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(04-03-2026, 04:03 AM)chr0naut Wrote: But the USA did stop people from flying in (unless they had a US passport - it's like the idiot in chief believed that US citizens who visited China couldn't catch the virus, LOL).
Proclamation on Suspension of Entry as Immigrants and Nonimmigrants of Persons who Pose a Risk of Transmitting 2019 Novel Coronavirus - The White House
Didn't stop Biden from allowing millions to cross the border with no proof of vaccinations either.
U.S. citizens had to have proof { show me ze papers ! } just to go out, but Biden let illegals come in and a Covid vaccine was optional, not mandatory.
Lock down Americans while people with no vaccine got shipped all over the country.
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(04-02-2026, 11:18 PM)ANNEE Wrote: “The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one" is a famous utilitarian principle spoken by Spock in Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan (1982)
In ethical philosophy, utilitarianism is a family of normative ethical theories that prescribe actions that maximize happiness and well-being for the affected individuals. In other words, utilitarian ideas encourage actions that lead to the greatest good for the greatest number.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilitarianism
Said every socialist everywhere.
You must develop the ability to be disliked in order to free yourself from the prison of other people's opinions.
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(04-02-2026, 10:40 PM)Astyanax Wrote: All the more reason, I should think, for you to quit raving and go home. Your intellectual shelf-life has expired.
Says the self-proclaimed intellectual.
You must develop the ability to be disliked in order to free yourself from the prison of other people's opinions.
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(04-02-2026, 09:16 PM)Byrd Wrote: Actually, I supported NOT opening the stores to general public, but to move to online ordering and grocery pick up.
And yes, I supported shut downs of big public spaces that crowd a lot of people together (megachurch, for instance) and finding other options. And distancing. And masking. And following the guidelines that the Obama administration had for dealing with potential pandemics.
If Trump hadn't tossed out those guidelines and instead followed them, we could have limited the rapid spread and saved a lot of people who wouldn't have encountered Covid in the first place.
We'd never have limited the spread.
All covid showed was how authoritarian the evil left is.
You must develop the ability to be disliked in order to free yourself from the prison of other people's opinions.
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(04-02-2026, 09:16 PM)Byrd Wrote: Actually, I supported NOT opening the stores to general public, but to move to online ordering and grocery pick up.
And yes, I supported shut downs of big public spaces that crowd a lot of people together (megachurch, for instance) and finding other options. And distancing. And masking. And following the guidelines that the Obama administration had for dealing with potential pandemics.
If Trump hadn't tossed out those guidelines and instead followed them, we could have limited the rapid spread and saved a lot of people who wouldn't have encountered Covid in the first place.
I doubt any of that would have changed anything. I am convinced that my father and I had it around new years before most in the government even noticed it. We had all the symptoms for about a month. I suspect it came along with some of the items I ordered from China.
A biological attack by mail order. Not a very good future business plan though.
I know too much and question everything.
Does anyone know the minimum safe distance of ignorance?
Did anyone ask the monkeys how much fun the barrel actually was?
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04-03-2026, 06:43 PM
This post was last modified: 04-03-2026, 06:47 PM by BeyondKnowledge. 
I have been trying to come up with a nice way to describe the intellectuals in the op. Having read many parts of this thread and considered it several times a week. I give up.
They are the Pakleds of Earth.
I mean this in no way as an insult but the truth hurts sometimes.
When a group must announce how smart they are, what is the point. No one noticed.
I know too much and question everything.
Does anyone know the minimum safe distance of ignorance?
Did anyone ask the monkeys how much fun the barrel actually was?
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