Keto My Way

[FlyersFan]

What is the difference between Keto and Atkins.
Sounds kinda the same.

[UltraBudgie]

What is the difference between Keto and Atkins.
Sounds kinda the same.

I think they are the same and Keto is the generic name for diet where you trigger ketosis by not eating carbs, the Atkins diet is the 90s thing that sort of pioneered it and made it popular.

Edit: Okay they are a bit different in practice but the same theory maybe? https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/atkins-vs-keto

In a nutshell, Ketosis is a metabolic process that occurs naturally in the body when it can’t generate energy from its usual source, carbohydrates.

As the body shifts to using fat for fuel, chemicals called Ketones are created in the liver and pushed into the bloodstream to provide the energy needed to get us through the day.

https://imdoingketo.com/what-is-ketosis/

[argentus]

I knew you are a scientist and researcher.   I like data also.  I take several supplements, and recently had heart palpitations at night.  What has changed?    Well, keto, while working for me, has caused changes in my diet and primarily in eating more healthy fats, more protein, and much more leafy things like kale (used to hate it), cabbage, water spinach, spinach, brussell sprouts, cauliflower, etc.  I stopped taking my magnesium supplement, and heart palpitations are gone.   I was getting too much magnesium.   Too much or too little can cause that.   Pick a lane, magnesium. 

The sea salt I like the best is Redmond Sea Salt, which is mined from an ancient sea bed in Redmond, Utah.   Unrefined, pink, dozens of natural minerals.   Very good stuff.  The only thing I use Morton's salt for is cleaning cast iron pans.  

I am the cook of the family, and my family is not on keto.  That has taken a bit of an adjustment for all of us.   Small example:   I make a cheese sauce in the conventional way, with butter, flour, milk and cheese.  For myself, I used cream cheese, cream and cheese.    I cook potatoes and rice for the Fam, but they  now like cauliflower rice.   I'm thinking that when I get to where I want weight-wise, it will be a healthier diet in general to lean hard into low-carb.   I have been diagnosed with IBS for quiet a while, and those symptoms are mostly gone.   Nice unanticipated side effect.   The Harvard Medical School have data which indicates that Keto is not heart-healthy.   That's part of why I'm doing it my way, because this kind of stuff isn't one-size-fits-all.   I have lost most of my carb cravings.  I look forward to a real pizza someday, as well as a real bacon cheeseburger and fries and several beers.  

When I was a kid, we used to put salt licks out for the cows and horses, and the deer and elk took advantage of that also.   I know of a very steep sheer mountain in northern Idaho where the primary attraction to the mountain goats and sheep appear to be the salt veins in the mountain.

[rickymouse]

I think they are the same and Keto is the generic name for diet where you trigger ketosis by not eating carbs, the Atkins diet is the 90s thing that sort of pioneered it and made it popular.

Edit: Okay they are a bit different in practice but the same theory maybe? https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/atkins-vs-keto

Here is a weird thing in the new research I read.  They used to think to burn fat you needed insulin.  Well, now they discovered a different enzyme people make in various amounts which only burns fat.  So now they are in the process of researching to find an inhibitor of that enzyme that burns fat, because when we are burning fat, the glucose level of the blood is elevated because less insulin is produced.  Which is sort of an insulin resistance and I guess science does not want to solve the problem and tell people to cut out all the sugar and carbs and just use fat for fuel.  That research was about six months ago it was released, not sure if it is related to the GLP-! meds that are now promoted.  My genetics when put into an app show that there is a genetic link of some kind of enzyme that makes it so I am rarely hungry.  I only eat because I know I have to eat to keep my muscles from deteriorating and because my wife needs to eat on a regular basis...so I eat when she is hungry.

Now my point about that enzyme they discovered that turns lipids into fuel for our bodies....how come they never even looked for that before.  It explains why some people who eat mostly fat and meats are skinny, so how come they never realized there was something other than insulin at play and found it.  Why do they want to block an enzyme that causes people to burn their fat so people's insulin would control their excess glucose that causes diabetes?  Must be that fat people need more meds and medical care.  Cutting carbs and sugar down seems to be the best way to cure things,

Ketosis and ketoacidosis are different things, ketosis is not a health problem usually, it is the acidosis form that is bad.  But most people do not know that and they are leary of the atkins and Keto diets or fasting.  Of course, the medical industry is protecting their wallet, you cannot easily find the differences and the health risks in medical literature unless you directly look for it with proper wording....lots of people believe ketosis is harmful but most times it is not.  Well, unless you quit eating all together for a month and the ketosis goes wild.

I think that our system of healthcare for profit in this country is a problem, socialized medicine would be much better in the USA.  People get insurance through work, then they also have to pay high premiums from their checks, and there is co-insurance, Copay, and maximum out of pocket coverage.  I do understand that hospitals need lots of money to pay for their technology these days...a doctor who had experience could diagnose people properly years ago in their office, it was much cheaper.  Now the hospital networks do not take your illness serious unless you go back a few times.  They will not conclude that you can have a virus along with a bacterial infection at the same time, so they won't give antibiotics if you have a virus.  If you are really sick, treating the microbial infection can increase the ability of people to fight the virus.  I am not fond of antibiotics, but sometimes you need them and they could be given them if someone has symptoms of a virus and also some symptoms of possible bacterial or fungal infections with it.  I know so many people who have had to go back multiple times to the outpatient or ER for things that should have been dealt with in the first visit.  I also have known some doctors and presently know a few yet...I am older now, most doctors I knew are dead or retired now.  They did not like it when the hospital mandated they do extra tests for everything to make sure the hospitals could survive and prosper.  a few doctors I knew retired because they did not want to draw out people's illnesses for weeks, some also went back to private practices and left their hospital employment.

I try to stay away from doctors, the reason I do so much research and testing on myself is so I can learn how to avoid going to doctors and taking meds.  When I was in pre-med back in the seventies, at a conference class one of the AMA speakers was promoting their profession.  One thing I did hear that caused me to actually quit my quest to be a surgeon was he said was "not to feel bad for taking people's money because they do not know how to eat right"  Even though I had tested out of many classes and had three years of college in a year and a half, had scholarships and all my schooling was paid for, and I knew a guy from Gary Indiana who was on the board of the AMA there who said he would get all my medical school paid for, I quit school and never regretted it.  I did not feel I was strong enough to resist becoming something I or my father would ever approve of...so I quit and learned many different professions over my life and have no regrets of quitting college.  I actually feel sorry for doctors who have to put up with that or change into something they would never have felt good with when they decided to go into medicine.  I do still know some good doctors, but lately around here, the only way they can take you as a patient is if one of their regular patients dies.

So, that is why I now study pharmacology and hack it's method of action to search for food chemistries that are bioavailable to use as medicine.  Rarely do I rely on natural medicine sites, but I do look at them and do research to filter out the real from the pseudoscience.  Modern medicine seems to be tied to pseudoscience more now than ever it seems.  And if I need a doctor, I will go in, I am not good at diagnosing problems because that is not what I have experience in....I need the tests, and if I get hurt or have major issues or surgery, I see a doctor or surgeon.  If they say I need a medicine, I will alter my diet to compensate to fix the problem.  Which is the right way to do things.  But what they are touting in health sites as healthy is not healthy for everyone, genetics and epigenetic factors play a big part in things.  I could never be a vegetarian, and certain veggies I have to avoid, veggies they tout as superfoods....but those super foods if consumed can have side effects too, fix one issue and cause a different one. 

Ok, way too long of a post, and probably a little boring too, but that is me....I am not normal

[argentus]

What is the difference between Keto and Atkins.
Sounds kinda the same.

Hi FF, 

The primary difference between the two is the allowable daily carbs.   Atkins (which we once tried) is far more forgiving, with allowing up to 50 carbs per day.   Keto really cracks down, and suggests no more than 15.   Myself, I shoot for zero carbs.   It is working.  I have transitioned from 293 lbs. to the 80's to the 70's and now eyeballing the 60s.   Right now at 272. 

I think I am getting about 10 carbs per day.   Like today, I made a pork stir-fry.   I made cauliflower "rice" to go with it at about 3 carbs per serving.   I made a sauce of Monk Fruit sugar and soy sauce and rice wine and ginger and sesame oil and ground flax seed meal.  The flax seed powder didn't thicken the sauce as I hoped it would.   That will be another post where I examine how to thicken sauces.

[Harte]

I know one keto replacement for bread, but it's only for breadcrumbs.
Throw fried or baked pigskins in a blender. Pulse until it's at the desired consistency.
Fine for meatloaves and meatballs, a little coarser for things like coatings and toppings.
Thank you for your attention to this matter.

Harte

[SurferSoul]

Also try fasting, intermittent fasting, just cutting out lunch or any kind of fasting, the best is 3 day fasts 72 hours and if you do it with a bit of exercise you can induce Autophagey a process where the body burns up all the crap eliminates all the nastys and resets your health. 
You do need to have to have excess body weight to some degree though, certainly don’t do it if you are already malnourished or recovering from an operation or otherwise ill health. Your body does this naturally to some degree when you’re sick and off your food. 

The main thing is to cut out sugar which is added to nearly everything these days, avoid processed food, eat fresh or food you have preserved yourself, try to buy direct from farmers markets. If you can’t do this when in the store if you don’t know what something is on the ingredients list don’t buy it. 

If you have a sweet tooth you will be amazed just how sweet sugary things taste when you’ve cut them out for a while. You won’t want more than a taste. 

The modern diet is messed up for the most part, for long periods of our evolution it was a case of fast and feast, just because of the scarcity of foods at times. 


Also properly chew your food, it should be broken down in the mouth properly long before it gets to the gut. Take your time eating a meal, imagine the the nutrition and energy you are extracting from it as you chew, some things practically dissolve in your mouth. Savour the taste. You’re body will thank you and you will notice a significant improvement in well being, stamina and energy.

[Quantum12]

Also try fasting, intermittent fasting, just cutting out lunch or any kind of fasting, the best is 3 day fasts 72 hours and if you do it with a bit of exercise you can induce Autophagey a process where the body burns up all the crap eliminates all the nastys and resets your health. 
You do need to have to have excess body weight to some degree though, certainly don’t do it if you are already malnourished or recovering from an operation or otherwise ill health. Your body does this naturally to some degree when you’re sick and off your food. 

The main thing is to cut out sugar which is added to nearly everything these days, avoid processed food, eat fresh or food you have preserved yourself, try to buy direct from farmers markets. If you can’t do this when in the store if you don’t know what something is on the ingredients list don’t buy it. 

If you have a sweet tooth you will be amazed just how sweet sugary things taste when you’ve cut them out for a while. You won’t want more than a taste. 

The modern diet is messed up for the most part, for long periods of our evolution it was a case of fast and feast, just because of the scarcity of foods at times. 


Also properly chew your food, it should be broken down in the mouth properly long before it gets to the gut. Take your time eating a meal, imagine the the nutrition and energy you are extracting from it as you chew, some things practically dissolve in your mouth. Savour the taste. Your body will thank you and you will notice a significant improvement in well being, stamina and energy.

So much agree. Thoroughly chewing, or pulverizing, food before swallowing has numerous health benefits. 

I do a 4 day water fast every few months. It really makes you feel good.

[quintessentone]

p.s.  I found an excellent source of recipes, and the owner allowed me to link to here.  Certainly DI isn't her usual fare The site is Sugar Free Londoner.   

I have finally been able to make a pretty decent almond flour bread.   My next foray is to attempt Almond Flour Pasta.

Just thought you might like to read this article, where if we take this combination of food stuffs that fat will bind in our guts and be eliminated immediately out. I expect in the future they will have a pill or microbead for our convenience.

Polyphenols (fruit and veggies) + Vitamin E + brown algae (alginate)

"“Our microbeads work directly in the gut to block fat absorption in a noninvasive and gentle way.”

Fat-Binding Microbeads May Offer Safer Alternative to Weight Loss Drugs | Inside Precision Medicine

8 Foods High in Polyphenols and Why You Need Them

I'm always looking for the easy peasy way.

Edit to Add: I just ordered brown seaweed powder to add to cooking, Vitamin E, and will combine with fat free red wine and dark chocolate to do an experiment to see if I lose any weight without changing my diet. I also ordered Miso cubes as I will start making Miso soup with the brown seaweed and green seaweed and rice noodles, so the brown seaweed will be a great addition.

**Mod. edit -- fixed last link with shortened url to allow linking**

[argentus]

I know one keto replacement for bread, but it's only for breadcrumbs.
Throw fried or baked pigskins in a blender. Pulse until it's at the desired consistency.
Fine for meatloaves and meatballs, a little coarser for things like coatings and toppings.
Thank you for your attention to this matter.

Harte

I just used this for making keto meatloaf.    I made regular mashed potatoes and gravy with side corn for my family.   I made cauliflower mash for myself.   Thanks much!   The meatloaf is in the oven now.   I'll let you know how it turned out.