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06-13-2025, 07:20 AM
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(06-13-2025, 07:18 AM)putnam6 Wrote: Yep, and one could say business is booming....
The war machine exceeds all expectations and keeps your country afloat, huh?
Major Arms Sales | Defense Security Cooperation Agency
That's where the real money is, why not just promote war worldwide to make a real monetary killing and forget the nickel and diming with the trade wars?
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06-13-2025, 07:39 AM
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(06-13-2025, 07:20 AM)quintessentone Wrote: The war machine exceeds all expectations and keeps your country afloat, huh?
Major Arms Sales | Defense Security Cooperation Agency
That's where the real money is, why not just promote war worldwide to make a real monetary killing and forget the nickel and diming with the trade wars?
LOL Thats what MIC does, still all the fighting on the planet isn't American made, till it is, Uncle Sam will always slow dance with the MIC
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Quote:The U.S. military’s economic contribution is substantial, with defense spending accounting for ~3.4% of GDP ($886 billion in 2023) and supporting millions of jobs through direct employment, contracts, and local economic activity. Base closures can disrupt local economies, but impacts are often localized and can be mitigated through redevelopment. Quantifying the exact "income" is tricky since the military isn’t a profit-driven entity, but its economic footprint is undeniable, especially in states like Texas. For a more precise figure, combining direct spending ($886 billion) and induced effects (potentially doubling or tripling that amount in some regions) suggests the military’s total economic impact could exceed $1.5–2 trillion annually, though this varies by region and methodology.
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06-13-2025, 07:41 AM
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(06-13-2025, 07:39 AM)putnam6 Wrote: LOL Thats what MIC does, still all the fighting on the planet isn't American made, till it is, Uncle Sam will always slow dance with the MIC
[Video: https://youtu.be/-8tdvulMR3M?si=MXbMoua9E8GVBqcS].
I did not imply worldwide war is American-made, but surely helped along through billions of $ of aid and weapons supply. Without the U.S.A.'s contributions how would wars be fought? Are TPTB there still funding Gaza strikes?
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(06-13-2025, 07:13 AM)quintessentone Wrote: Is Israel buying their weapons of war from America?
I don't think it has to. It gets billions in 'aid' in the form of tokens from the US. Said tokens can only be used to purchase US weaponry. In essence the US 'buys' it's own weapons and gives them to Israel.
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(06-13-2025, 08:16 AM)midicon Wrote: I don't think it has to. It gets billions in 'aid' in the form of tokens from the US. Said tokens can only be used to purchase US weaponry. In essence the US 'buys' it's own weapons and gives them to Israel.
Okay, but what I read and how I interpret it, is that the U.S. gives billions in $ of aid to Israel so that they can use that money to buy U.S. weapons of war.
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If there is money to be made from war, the US is not the only one cashing in.
- Germany: Is a major supplier, accounting for about 30% of Israel's arms imports between 2019 and 2023. Germany has a long-standing commitment to Israel's security, and its arms supplies have included air defense components, ammunition, armored vehicles, and naval frigates and torpedoes. Germany will continue to provide weapons to Israel.
- Italy: Supplies around 1% of Israel's weapons. This includes helicopters and naval artillery. While Italy has legal restrictions regarding arms sales to countries at war, reports indicate they have continued to supply Israel, including deliveries under contracts signed before October 2023.
- France: Has continued to supply parts to Israel that could be used in its domestic production of arms.
- Spain: Has awarded Israeli defense companies contracts for artillery systems and anti-tank missiles.
- United Kingdom: Has issued numerous arms export licenses to Israel, although the total value is unclear. The UK suspended about 30 export licenses in September 2024 due to concerns over international humanitarian law, but continues to supply components for F-35 fighter jets used by Israel.
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06-13-2025, 08:27 AM
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(06-13-2025, 08:19 AM)David64 Wrote: If there is money to be made from war, the US is not the only one cashing in.
- Germany: Is a major supplier, accounting for about 30% of Israel's arms imports between 2019 and 2023. Germany has a long-standing commitment to Israel's security, and its arms supplies have included air defense components, ammunition, armored vehicles, and naval frigates and torpedoes. Germany will continue to provide weapons to Israel.
- Italy: Supplies around 1% of Israel's weapons. This includes helicopters and naval artillery. While Italy has legal restrictions regarding arms sales to countries at war, reports indicate they have continued to supply Israel, including deliveries under contracts signed before October 2023.
- France: Has continued to supply parts to Israel that could be used in its domestic production of arms.
- Spain: Has awarded Israeli defense companies contracts for artillery systems and anti-tank missiles.
- United Kingdom: Has issued numerous arms export licenses to Israel, although the total value is unclear. The UK suspended about 30 export licenses in September 2024 due to concerns over international humanitarian law, but continues to supply components for F-35 fighter jets used by Israel.
So it looks like world war is a necessity to keep countries afloat financially. That explains a part of Putin's never-ending war. Russia, N. Korea, Belarus (etc. ?) won't be happy with this strike against Iran.
"By the end of 2021, Russia will have secured $55 billion worth of weapon contracts around the world, from selling aircraft, air defense systems and AK assault rifles."
Which countries buy weapons from Russia? - Russia Beyond
"Russia says Israel's attack on Iran was unprovoked and illegal"
Russia says Israel's attack on Iran was unprovoked and illegal | The Straits Times
The hypocrisy is off the scales, but 'everything's fair in love and war', I guess.
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06-13-2025, 08:56 AM
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(06-13-2025, 08:17 AM)quintessentone Wrote: Okay, but what I read and how I interpret it, is that the U.S. gives billions in $ of aid to Israel so that they can use that money to buy U.S. weapons of war.
I mention the word 'tokens because that is what it must be used for. I'm sure I read that way back.
ETA... I've just had a look on Google...
"No, US aid to Israel is not typically given in the form of tokens. Most of the aid, particularly military aid, is provided as grants that Israel must use to purchase US-made military equipment and services. The aid also includes loan guarantees and other financial support. While some aid may be channeled through specific programs or organizations, it's not typically structured as "tokens.
I suppose it still amounts to the US buying it's own weapons in a way.
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Some reports are claiming the Israeli strikes (named Operation Rising Lion) were years in the making and Commandos smuggled weapons into Iran with Mossad making a drone factory in the outskirts of Tehran to launch a trojan horse attack.
200 fighter jets are claimed to have been involved in strikes on Iranian targets (does Israel have that many?) with commandos on the ground in Iran using 'special weapons' to disable Iranian defences..also dozens of cars were rigged with explosives around Iranian defences/radar to take out other air defences.
Mossad are famous for their secrecy and some of the claims seem too fanciful but if true it's probably the best intel/special forces operation in history.
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(06-13-2025, 08:56 AM)midicon Wrote: I mention the word 'tokens because that is what it must be used for. I'm sure I read that way back.
ETA... I've just had a look on Google...
"No, US aid to Israel is not typically given in the form of tokens. Most of the aid, particularly military aid, is provided as grants that Israel must use to purchase US-made military equipment and services. The aid also includes loan guarantees and other financial support. While some aid may be channeled through specific programs or organizations, it's not typically structured as "tokens.
I suppose it still amounts to the US buying it's own weapons in a way.
Exactly, that's how I interpreted it too.
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