Israel approves plan to seize all of Gaza

[Orby]

Guess russia won 20% of ukraine fair and square too ^.^

Yes they've won it. All about boots on the ground. That's all that counts.

[Bootless]

Yes they've won it. All about boots on the ground. That's all that counts.

Uh, No. The old "to the victor go the spoils" and "might makes right" days are over in international law.

Article 2(4) of Chapter I of the United Nations Charter, which is in force today: "All Members shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state, or in any other manner inconsistent with the Purposes of the United Nations".

[Bootless]

It seems kinda like I'm trying to gaslight Israelis if I tell them they've largely been brainwashed to accept Zionism and an evil regime of Genocide, or their anger isnt justified. Like I am too shame them for responding to their history of 9/11s in increasing hostility. 

Maybe I lack the perspective that led to 615,000 of every 1,000,000 Israelis supporting the forced relocation of the Gazans? 

I dont think I have the right to tell them not to be zealots on this one, because i dont think 61% of Israelis are bloodthirsty Arab haters, and actually draw a distinction between between Gaza and Palestine the west is not really allowed to ever acknowledge.

You can find a few former Zionists who have deconstructed the Zionist part of their upbringing.


I swear, watching this interview was exactly like watching one of those Christian Evangelical, raised in the Bible Belt deconstruction videos.

See also: Meet Meital Yaniv, Former Israeli Soldier Turned Anti-Zionist Organizer
From Israeli Soldier to Anti-Zionist Jew: Meet Antony Lerman

Then there are some people who actually quit identifying as Jewish.
Gilad Atzmon (Author), The Wandering Who: A Study of Jewish Identity Politics

An investigation of Jewish identity politics and Jewish contemporary ideology using both popular culture and scholarly texts. Jewish identity is tied up with some of the most difficult and contentious issues of today. The purpose in this book is to open many of these issues up for discussion. Since Israel defines itself openly as the ‘Jewish State’, we should ask what the notions of ’Judaism’, ‘Jewishness’, ‘Jewish culture’ and ‘Jewish ideology’ stand for. Gilad examines the tribal aspects embedded in Jewish secular discourse, both Zionist and anti Zionist; the ‘holocaust religion’; the meaning of ‘history’ and ‘time’ within the Jewish political discourse; the anti-Gentile ideologies entangled within different forms of secular Jewish political discourse and even within the Jewish left. He questions what it is that leads Diaspora Jews to identify themselves with Israel and affiliate with its politics. The devastating state of our world affairs raises an immediate demand for a conceptual shift in our intellectual and philosophical attitude towards politics, identity politics and history.

Zionism was purposely designed in the 1890's as an answer to the identity crisis following the Jewish Emancipation in Europe. It was "oh no!!! Jews are assimilating and losing their distinct identity!!! What can we do to reverse assimilation?"

[DBCowboy]

Uh, No. The old "to the victor go the spoils" and "might makes right" days are over in international law.

Yeah, you sort of lose out when your entire charter is kill all Jews.

So there is that.

[UltraBudgie]

No Idea what's going on but a reply by Orby to the above......................

You need to check up the facts. We the Brits won that land from the Ottoman Empire. yes........... Won that land. British boots on the ground. No more Turks, just British Imperial troops.

Weizmann a Manc' chemist saved our munitions manufacturing by creating ethyl acetone, when imports were impossible due to German sub's. Our lines on mainland Europe would have collapsed without him. He was asked what he wanted as a return for the favour, the result being the Balfour declaration.

Read the facts. We won that land, I'm sorry the Muslims lost it but that's war. Turkey chose the wrong side by going with the Germans and lost their Empire. The winner took the lands and what we see now is a direct result of Turkish stupidity going against TPTB.

Indeed that seems to have been the attitude at the time. Churchill himself tempered his antisemitism with good old British colonial racial superiority, and likely would have agreed with Israel's current campaign:

He was a ferocious advocate of intervention to quell the Russian Revolution, and wrote furiously about the dangers of the “International Jews” (communists) and their “sinister confederacy,” against whom he invoked the far more acceptable “National Jew” (Zionism) – writings which have been mystifyingly interpreted by hagiographers such as Martin Gilbert as evidence of his philosemitism.

In addition to being motivated by a profoundly antisemitic “good Jew-bad Jew” dichotomy, the colonial underpinnings of Churchill’s support for Zionism were later made clear when he addressed the Palestine Royal Commission on the subject of Palestinian self-determination. Resorting to bestiary for his imagery, he compared self-rule to the dog running its own manger, a right he did not acknowledge. “I do not admit,” he went on, “that a great wrong has been done to the Red Indians of America, or the black people of Australia . . . by the fact that a stronger race, a higher grade race . . . has come in and taken its place.”

As an imperial tactician, Churchill recommended fighting the insurgency in British Mandate Iraq by gassing them.

https://jacobin.com/2018/01/winston-chur...lonialism/

[Piett]

Most comments here are appalling and blinded by ignorance. It's pretty obvious that Israel is on the wrong side of history like SA apartheid regime or the Nazis. Zionism is the cancer of the middle east and not any better than Muslim extremism.

[UltraBudgie]

Most comments here are appalling and blinded by ignorance. It's pretty obvious that Israel is on the wrong side of history like SA apartheid regime or the Nazis. Zionism is the cancer of the middle east and not any better than Muslim extremism.

The "both sides are evil" shtick doesn't get anywhere.

Unfortunately, neither does "one side is evil and the other isn't".

[Bootless]

The "both sides are evil" shtick doesn't get anywhere.

Unfortunately, neither does "one side is evil and the other isn't".

Perhaps we should go with what is legal and not legal.
There are violations of international humanitarian and warfare laws occurring.
From the notes at the bottom of wikipedia:Proposed Israeli resettlement of the Gaza Strip

 

1.  "the establishment of the Israeli settlements in the Occupied Palestinian Territory has been considered illegal by the international community and by the majority of legal scholars." (Pertile 2005, p. 141)
   
2. ^ "The real controversy hovering over all the litigation on the security barrier concerns the fate of the Israeli settlements in the occupied territories. Since 1967, Israel has allowed and even encouraged its citizens to live in the new settlements established in the territories, motivated by religious and national sentiments attached to the history of the Jewish nation in the land of Israel. This policy has also been justified in terms of security interests, taking into consideration the dangerous geographic circumstances of Israel before 1967 (where Israeli areas on the Mediterranean coast were potentially threatened by Jordanian control of the West Bank ridge). The international community, for its part, has viewed this policy as patently illegal, based on the provisions of the Fourth Geneva Convention that prohibit moving populations to or from territories under occupation." (Barak-Erez 2006, p. 548)
   
3. ^ "It can thus clearly be concluded that the transfer of Israeli settlers into the occupied territories violates not only the laws of belligerent occupation but the Palestinian right of self-determination under international law. The question remains, however, whether this is of any practical value. In other words, given the view of the international community that the Israeli settlements are illegal under the law if belligerent occupation." (Drew 1997, pp. 151–152)
   
4. ^ "The international community considers Israeli settlements within the occupied territories illegal and in breach of, inter alia, United Nations Security Council resolution 465 of 1 March 1980 calling on Israel 'to dismantle the existing settlements and in particular to cease, on an urgent basis, the establishment, construction and planning of settlements in the Arab territories occupied since 1967, including Jerusalem'." (ILC 2005, p. 14)
   
5. ^ "The international community has taken a critical view of both deportations and settlements as being contrary to international law. General Assembly resolutions have condemned the deportations since 1969, and have done so by overwhelming majorities in recent years. Likewise, they have consistently deplored the establishment of settlements, and have done so by overwhelming majorities throughout the period (since the end of 1976) of the rapid expansion in their numbers. The Security Council has also been critical of deportations and settlements; and other bodies have viewed them as an obstacle to peace, and illegal under international law." (Roberts 1990, pp. 85–86)
   

 

[Bootless]

Screen captures from "A Dark Path": Ex-State Dept. Official Blasts Trump's Plans for Postwar Gaza

As Israel pushes deeper into Gaza City, President Donald Trump met Wednesday to discuss plans for a postwar Gaza with his son-in-law and former Middle East envoy, Jared Kushner, and former British Prime Minister Tony Blair. This comes as Israeli business leaders are reportedly involved in developing a postwar Gaza plan that includes the creation of a "Trump Riviera" and a manufacturing zone named after Elon Musk, using financial models developed by the U.S. firm Boston Consulting Group.

Former State Department official Josh Paul says the Trump administration, alongside the Israeli government, is attempting to "transition from Israeli colonialism to corporate" colonialism. The move would "exploit incredible suffering for economic gain," he adds. Paul was director in the Bureau of Political-Military Affairs in the State Department and resigned in protest of the push to increase arms sales to Israel amid its assault on Gaza. He's now a director at A New Policy, the lobbying organization he co-founded with fellow resignee Tariq Habash to press for a change in U.S. policy on Palestine and Israel. Paul also worked with Tony Blair when Blair was Quartet special envoy for Middle East peace and Paul was an adviser for the U.S. security coordinator.

I had heard that there was a video out there with a golden Trump statue. This is the first time I saw it though. The meeting between Trump, Kushner, and Blair would have been 8/27/2025

[UltraBudgie]

I had heard that there was a video out there with a golden Trump statue. This is the first time I saw it though. The meeting between Trump, Kushner, and Blair would have been 8/27/2025

There's a newly-leaked prospectus about plans to transform Gaza:

A postwar plan for Gaza circulating within the Trump administration, modeled on President Donald Trump’s vow to “take over” the enclave, would turn it into a trusteeship administered by the United States for at least 10 years while it is transformed into a gleaming tourism resort and high-tech manufacturing and technology hub.

The 38-page prospectus seen by The Washington Post envisions at least a temporary relocation of all of Gaza’s more than 2 million population, either through what it calls “voluntary” departures to another country or into restricted, secured zones inside the enclave during reconstruction.

Those who own land would be offered a digital token by the trust in exchange for rights to redevelop their property, to be used to finance a new life elsewhere or eventually redeemed for an apartment in one of six to eight new “AI-powered, smart cities” to be built in Gaza. Each Palestinian who chooses to leave would be given a $5,000 cash payment and subsidies to cover four years of rent elsewhere, as well as a year of food.

The plan estimates that every individual departure from Gaza would save the trust $23,000, compared with the cost of temporary housing and what it calls “life support” services in the secure zones for those who stay.

Called the Gaza Reconstitution, Economic Acceleration and Transformation Trust, or GREAT Trust, the proposal was developed by some of the same Israelis who created and set in motion the U.S.- and Israeli-backed Gaza Humanitarian Foundation (GHF) now distributing food inside the enclave. Financial planning was done by a team working at the time for the Boston Consulting Group.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-...elocation/
Archive link with no paywall: https://archive.ph/FOLo0

Let's see if I can embed the PDF:
[pdf]https://www.washingtonpost.com/documents/f86dd56a-de7f-4943-af4a-84819111b727.pdf[/pdf]
PDF link (38 pages): https://www.washingtonpost.com/documents...11b727.pdf

Also covered by Haaretz:
https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/2025-08-...ff10dd0000
Archive link with no paywall: https://archive.ph/8ok6Z

I think Trump will like it because it is a "GREAT" plan. Sigh.