Is Telepathy real?

[IgnorantGod]

What of the following do you think is possible 

• telepathy
  
• clairs
  
• divination
  
• OOBE
  
• remote viewing
  
• precognition
  
• add something to the list
  

If I may chime in, I'd add :

• interactions
  
• contexts
  

It seems to me that everything revolve around those two points. A "1" won't have any ontological meaning without a unit, that is, a context. Furthermore, that "1", even with a context, is both true and false at the same time. This is so because of fractals, any "1" is actually a compound, a ">1".

The quest to find the treasured 'simple matter', ergo the non divisible "1" (that would be "0"), has resulted in quantum mechanics. What they found out, was that at this scale, it's all about probability and a state of 'uncertainty until measured'. And because matter is all about 'extension within a unit system', one could infer that for "something" to be 'real', it needs "something" to 'assume' it, to 'measure' it.

And thus, to 'measure' is an interaction between at least two "something". 'Assuming' needs the participation of both the 'assumed' and the 'one assuming', and both need to 'play their respective role'. This is context; Within it, there can be interactions, there can be "1" to interact with, and to react.

To take telepathy as an example; Do 'mind-to-mind' communications need to assume a 'mind' to be a "1"?

If one wants a 'mind' to be a non divisible "1" (a "0"), it'll need to be in a 'state of uncertainty until measured'. And in my opinion, 'mind' doesn't fit the bill, because emotions and feelings are 'measurable' and can be 'reacted upon'. There are interactions, so 'mind' is a "=\=0".

Then, I also wonder if there are as many 'minds' as there are 'selfs', that is; Does it takes "1" 'mind' to 'assume' "1" 'self', or does "1" 'mind' can 'assume' several 'selfs', or "1" 'self' is 'assumed' by several 'minds'?

In the context of telepathy, this is important, since by definition it 'assumes' two 'minds' communicating with each other by imperceptible means. It needs both 'selfs' to each be tied to individual 'minds' with boundaries so that they communicate as two different "1".

Anyway, this is all uneducated speculation on my part. I do however have an experience with the feeling of 'self' boundaries collapsing with someone else. I'm still not sure if I was lost in my 'thoughts', my friend's 'thoughts', or in a mix of both.

[rickymouse]

I get where you're coming from.

And it's an interesting mix of history, psychology, and speculation.

But so far, telepathy and remote viewing haven't held up under controlled scientific tests.

As for leadership, psychology shows charisma, communication, and social influence, not hidden "links" shape who people follow.

Hitler and others used symbolism, rhetoric, and fear, not secret telepathic channels.

I'm apt to go with the simpler explanation, is human psychology being responsible, as opposed to hidden powers.

Suffice to say ile keep an open mind where telepathy is concerned but mainstream science considers telepathy unproven.

from AI on this subject.  I used to have direct links to some of this government research years back but my computer hard drive at the time STB. 

AI response.
  The U.S. military has invested significant resources into research on subconscious links among soldiers, particularly in the context of enhancing teamwork and communication. While exact figures can vary, studies and programs related to this area have included funding for psychological research, training programs, and technology development. For instance, the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) has funded projects exploring cognitive and behavioral science, which can involve millions of dollars annually.
Key Areas of Investment

• Research Grants: Funding for academic studies on group dynamics and subconscious communication.
  
• Training Programs: Development of training that incorporates psychological principles to improve unit cohesion.
  
• Technology Development: Investment in technologies that may facilitate better communication and understanding among soldiers.
  

Notable Projects: Specific projects like the Army's "Project Mindset" have aimed to explore these concepts, though detailed financial disclosures may not always be publicly available.
Overall, while precise spending figures are hard to pinpoint, the military's interest in this area suggests a substantial investment in understanding and enhancing soldier interactions.
Related questions

• What are the main findings from military subconscious research?
  
• How does subconscious communication affect team performance?
  
• ther areas does the military invest in for soldier well-being?
  

Is this
Now, it is important to note that this is about subconscious link. 

Now, my brother and I can be talking about car repair things, neither of us finish a sentence and the other knows what they are going to say.  We do this back and forth all the time.  My wife commented once when he was here that I should not interupt him when he talks, both of us just chuckled and said we know what each other is going to say and our quick response a half a sentence in speeds up the technology talk and cuts down the discussion time considerably.  We can diagnose a car problem within minutes most time which either of us on our own can figure out without finishing a sentence to each other.

My brother and his wife were in a town in Wisconsin and set up some chairs next to a party store for an upcoming parade, then went into a restaurant to have coffee and a bite and came out to see my cousin and her family had set their chairs up right next to theirs when the parade started.  Now neither of them knew there had a clue that the other was even in town, the town was fifty miles away from where my cousin lived, and a hundred fifty miles from my brothers home town.  Not even on the way between the two towns.

It is not a coincidence that that happened, there were thousands of people viewing that parade and a half mile of streets that it went down.  Somehow they sensed it.

I can go on and on with stories that when added together show a link between people of a kind.  A kind includes relatives, people who share participation in an organization or church group, people who work together, etc...  I would be driving down the road and be thinking I have to go talk to my accountant and then figure I should stop in the grocery store to see if there is something I would like.  I met him in the first isle I went to.  This happened twice to me, we are discussing my business questions in the store.

My wife also does this, she will mention she needs to talk to someone then we stop at the grocery store and that person is there, they discuss what she was going to talk to her about.  This happens way too many times to just be a coincidence.  She is constantly telling them she was just going to call them when she got home.  In those cases, ninety nine percent of the time it is her idea to go there.

When something happens over and over, it is not a coincidence anymore.   I used to have the same coincidence all the time with certain friends, but not any more, because those close friends I had are all dead now except for one.  That link is hard to control, it just happens, if you try to push it to test it, it does not work very well.  The testing they did created stress which probably makes the link not work right, it is a subconscious link....the little devil or little angel speaking to you in your ear standing on your shoulder in some cartoons.  Some call it intuition, I tend to call it a link between minds.

Science has studied this link between related animals and humans extensively, and research conclusions show this link does exist between lots of animals and even fish but it states it appears with humans and our brain developement, it does not work.  Is that because we are conditioned to ignore it?  Or are we filling our brains with too much education....although, I do know some very intelligent people who I have talked to that have this ability subconsciously.

You cannot find your keys, you search everywhere only to find that your keys are sitting on the table right in front of you where you first looked.  Then you take off and find there was a bad accident about the time and on the route you were taking that happened about the time you would be on the road to go where you were going.  Now some may say it was god that blinded them, but it may be someone you know saw someone swirving all over, and linked to you.

I do not know, but all  real research on this subject is in government testing around the world, and not released after completion for years while it is evaluated properly.  Anything the military finds out will not be released either, why would you tell the enemy how to control this....that would be stupid and our heads of military are not stupid.  They may be warmongers sometimes, but most are pretty sharp.

Hitlers scientists verified this link between of a kind people, but they never could control it.  And as far as remote viewing, trying to do it when being tested probably would be enough to make it so the fight and fight or stress system in our bodies made it not work properly

On another subject, did you know that Humans have almost as good of an echo location system as bats.  In fact the Military is training some soldiers to utilize this.  This is from before when you could believe things you read on the net on things like this, now you can't believe anything unless you verify if it is real, and even then, a lot of scientific research is interpreted by belief or consensus of the time. Some of the fundamentals of types of research have been disproved, but a lot of what spun off of that research is still with errors that show the wrong conclusions.

I read a lot of science research on different subjects, and actually belonging to a physics chatroom around 2010 where I interacted with physicists and people working at CERN and other big science places I got a lot of insight into what goes on.  Number one in my important discoveries, what they teach in college in that subject in the first four hears, and even some that is taught in two more years in physics, is not usually that pertinent to what is done in big physics science, it all takes shape in the last years of college and in the field after getting hired at one of these big projects.  I thought I knew lot about physics before joining the site and the great part is I was not given the answer, those many year professionals just taught me how to word phrases to find what really goes on in physics, they steered me to go look up things properly.  Which made it way better, because I learned that someone telling you the answer does not make you understand it right, there are always many varriables to consider and deep research into anything is crucial  to explain it right in varying situations.  One size shoe does not fit all, and sometimes you need boots not shoes.  Always look both ways when crossing the road or doing research.

[ReturnofBroccoli]

If I may chime in, I'd add :

• interactions
  
• contexts
  

It seems to me that everything revolve around those two points. A "1" won't have any ontological meaning without a unit, that is, a context. Furthermore, that "1", even with a context, is both true and false at the same time. This is so because of fractals, any "1" is actually a compound, a ">1".

The quest to find the treasured 'simple matter', ergo the non divisible "1" (that would be "0"), has resulted in quantum mechanics. What they found out, was that at this scale, it's all about probability and a state of 'uncertainty until measured'. And because matter is all about 'extension within a unit system', one could infer that for "something" to be 'real', it needs "something" to 'assume' it, to 'measure' it.

And thus, to 'measure' is an interaction between at least two "something". 'Assuming' needs the participation of both the 'assumed' and the 'one assuming', and both need to 'play their respective role'. This is context; Within it, there can be interactions, there can be "1" to interact with, and to react.

To take telepathy as an example; Do 'mind-to-mind' communications need to assume a 'mind' to be a "1"?

If one wants a 'mind' to be a non divisible "1" (a "0"), it'll need to be in a 'state of uncertainty until measured'. And in my opinion, 'mind' doesn't fit the bill, because emotions and feelings are 'measurable' and can be 'reacted upon'. There are interactions, so 'mind' is a "=\=0".

Then, I also wonder if there are as many 'minds' as there are 'selfs', that is; Does it takes "1" 'mind' to 'assume' "1" 'self', or does "1" 'mind' can 'assume' several 'selfs', or "1" 'self' is 'assumed' by several 'minds'?

In the context of telepathy, this is important, since by definition it 'assumes' two 'minds' communicating with each other by imperceptible means. It needs both 'selfs' to each be tied to individual 'minds' with boundaries so that they communicate as two different "1".

Anyway, this is all uneducated speculation on my part. I do however have an experience with the feeling of 'self' boundaries collapsing with someone else. I'm still not sure if I was lost in my 'thoughts', my friend's 'thoughts', or in a mix of both.

I would hypothesize to you that emotions and feelings and conscious thought come from two seperate parts of the brain almost as if they are seperate organs of the same system. Furthermore, it is already established that it can be measured during an eeg

[KTemplar]

Yes I believe it is.

 I have answered people’s questions before they even asked them.  They were totally freaked out!  I heard them clearly, but everyone else there did not,yet the people who I answered said I was just thinking about this thought and I hadn’t asked it yet.

I called a woman once by her nickname who I never met, I worked for the phone company, she was a customer.

She was freaked out, asked me how I knew her nickname (it wasn’t even close to her real name), I said I don’t know, cause I didn’t.  She hung up she was so freaked out!  Didn’t know her, but somehow I knew her nickname.

[argentus]

Yes, I believe all of that is not only likely, but probable.   I think all of us have had experiences that didn't seem directly measurable within context of conventional experience.  Most of us can cite anecdotal instances where things of this nature happened.  

When I was in my teens, I would frequently fold a small square of aluminum foil such that it had four points.   I would place it on a nail, so it could freely spin, and place a jar over the whole works, to isolate any air currents.    I think it is likely that the brain -- a powerhouse of energy -- can be strengthened as muscles can, by repetition and effort.   

The foil?   I thought it moved once.  Maybe it did.  I have had enough experiences to convince me that much of what is called ESP is real.

[annonentity]

What of the following do you think is possible 

• telepathy
  
• clairs
  
• divination
  
• OOBE
  
• remote viewing
  
• precognition
  
• add something to the list
  

  Ok I'll play I think Reincarnation is a suppressed fact because it would stuff up the cornerstones of a property owning society. Because if proven in court and f I died a rich man or even Royal, and got reborn in a pauper's family, I would want my money and status back. So if factual the whole basis of property ownership and wealth would have to change.  Here is a case which is pretty hard to dismiss. If accepted it alters everything, Or could.....One Woman's Astonishing REINCARNATION CASE

[rickymouse]

Yes I believe it is.

 I have answered people’s questions before they even asked them.  They were totally freaked out!  I heard them clearly, but everyone else there did not,yet the people who I answered said I was just thinking about this thought and I hadn’t asked it yet.

I called a woman once by her nickname who I never met, I worked for the phone company, she was a customer.

She was freaked out, asked me how I knew her nickname (it wasn’t even close to her real name), I said I don’t know, cause I didn’t.  She hung up she was so freaked out!  Didn’t know her, but somehow I knew her nickname.

You know, I have noticed that I also answer people's questions before they even ask them too.  I always thought it was tied to the expression on their face though, I tend to pay attention to people's expressions a lot when talking to them.  But it also seems to work with people diagnosed with lack of facial expression who have autism.   I just say the answer without being asked of something they are wondering about.  It does make it easier to deal with workers who worked under me, so I learned how to do that almost fifty years ago, when I started my first handyman business...but at that time I was having my drinking buddies work with me, which didn't work very well, so I spent about three more years working for others and when I got good at doing this, I spent much of my working life being a foreman or management person and finally starting my own company again.

But some people I cannot read very well, but the vast majority I could work with.  I seem to have had some Delta and Sigma male mixture, not really too Alpha or Beta. 

So, I am not sure if I can just read people or if there is something else at play, and like you said, I can almost hear the question they are going to ask before they ask it...It is like my mind is hearing their thoughts possibly.  I say possibly, because I am not sure that is real or if I am good at evaluating expressions or body language and evaluating it to what I have just said or expect them to say.

[Sirius]

We do a billion things everyday without knowing how it works and never question it, we learned to walk and talk without knowing anything about how the body or the universe works. This topic is rejected because not understanding how it works? No, this topic is rejected because you can't do it and your jealous and have fear of those who can. Pride and hubris

[midicon]

We do a billion things everyday without knowing how it works and never question it, we learned to walk and talk without knowing anything about how the body or the universe works. This topic is rejected because not understanding how it works? No, this topic is rejected because you can't do it and your jealous and have fear of those who can. Pride and hubris

[Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMB4fWNQqQc]

I have no jealousy, pride or fear. I reject most of the woo because it is nonsense and gullible people want more. If telepathy and stuff like remote viewing are real then I say great, have at it. I am pleased for you. I can't think of a single 'paranormal' ability I'd want. I do like the mystery of things like consciousness though, and the strange things that seem to defy rational explanation. I see most of it as subjective and think people would be better off working on themselves.

Bear in mind I love the 'mysteries'. I write little rhymes about witches, ghosts and occult stuff. I am an old Jungian really. I suppose if there was an 'ability' I would like to have it would be to write poetry that is wise, quirky and entertaining.

[quintessentone]

I have no jealousy, pride or fear. I reject most of the woo because it is nonsense and gullible people want more. If telepathy and stuff like remote viewing are real then I say great, have at it. I am pleased for you. I can't think of a single 'paranormal' ability I'd want. I do like the mystery of things like consciousness though, and the strange things that seem to defy rational explanation. I see most of it as subjective and think people would be better off working on themselves.

Bear in mind I love the 'mysteries'. I write little rhymes about witches, ghosts and occult stuff. I am an old Jungian really. I suppose if there was an 'ability' I would like to have it would be to write poetry that is wise, quirky and entertaining.

It appears Jung believed in telepathy.

"Working with the great quantum physicist Wolfgang Pauli, Jung sought to reveal these coincidences as phenomena that involve mind and matter, science and spirit, thus providing rational explanations for parapsychological events like telepathy, precognition, and intuition."

Synchronicity: Science, myth, and the trickster.