How do you feel about religion?

[sahgwa]

Religion is a dirty word that to my psyche connotes forced behaviour and obedience to someone else's will.

To me Spirituality is the answer-  and a cognizance of an attempt at compassion and harmony with the vibrations of the Universe are more successful and palatable . As hippy as that sounds.

This does not necessarily mean to be passive or lovey dovey either.
There is something I strongly advocate for which is realising that all Stars have a set orbit and we should not interfere with other's orbits, yet we should strive to call out irrationality and things counter to nature when we see them.

[Sirius]

What do you think about the Red Book? I've got that big ole folio and the illustrations sure are... interesting. The phenomena of Jung makes a lot more sense having read it. He sat on the 'O' in o-cult and called it an egg.

The fucking egg man. Ja, I only know him as a occultist. The Red Book looks like classic symptoms, a "great work".  Did not read it, will give it a squiz.
This quote sounds like nonsense, need to go look where I filed him away, but this is most certainly not all what he was doing.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Red_Book_(Jung)

From December 1913 onward, he carried on in the same procedure: deliberately evoking a fantasy in a waking state, and then entering into it as into a drama. These fantasies may be understood as a type of dramatized thinking in pictorial form.... In retrospect, he recalled that his scientific question was to see what took place when he switched off consciousness. The example of dreams indicated the existence of background activity, and he wanted to give this a possibility of emerging, just as one does when taking mescaline

I read Helena Blavatsky "The Secret Doctrine" early in the week, it's allot. allot allot allot allot.  "Great works", mad obsessions.  All very classic. Curious phenomena.
https://www.gutenberg.org/files/54824/54824-pdf.pdf

[ArMaP]

Hedonism?
No God to punish you.
No guilt trips.

I don't need a god to punish me for doing bad things (or things that someone says god told them were bad), I know the difference between good and bad.

[quintessentone]

@quintessentone the doctors did nothing other than poke around like monkeys and speak Latin words for symptoms and fuck up the paper work with the insurance. I can also speak in my ancestors tongue with much greater effect.  You forget where I live, you need faith before you go into hospitals here.

@ Sirius

Your faith may be misguided. Your government (USA?) allows corporations to make money off your illnesses, it's all about $$$, not about caring for you.

Are non-profit hospitals funded by religious institutions any different? Do they still maintain a mission to care for the poor?




Edit to add for TheShadowKnows: I totally missed this mentioning @ from Sirius, thanks for tweaking DI in such a way so we don't miss important mentions.

[Sirius]

@ Sirius

Your faith may be misguided. Your government (USA?) allows corporations to make money off your illnesses, it's all about $$$, not about caring for you.

I'm not an American, I have said so before.  I'm not even English. Money? WTF are you on about, I watched the breath of life leave my son.

Faith? Your stories doesn't add up mate, you claim to have seen but know nothing. Why are you here? Do you even know where you walk?

[quintessentone]

I'm not an American, I have said so before.  I'm not even English. Money? WTF are you on about, I watched the breath of life leave my son.

Faith? Your stories doesn't add up mate, you claim to have seen but know nothing. Why are you here? Do you even know where you walk?

Well you never specified where you are from, or I missed it, so since DI is mostly American, I assumed the problems you encountered with healthcare was in a country which experiences extreme problems.

You, of course, can put your faith wherever you think it should go, that's not for anyone to tell you where to put it. I meant putting faith in one's government and a healthcare system that is for profit only is putting one's faith in the wrong place.

Your son if fine now, as you said, and that is the most important thing, right?

[quintessentone]

Religion is a dirty word that to my psyche connotes forced behaviour and obedience to someone else's will.

To me Spirituality is the answer-  and a cognizance of an attempt at compassion and harmony with the vibrations of the Universe are more successful and palatable . As hippy as that sounds.

This does not necessarily mean to be passive or lovey dovey either.
There is something I strongly advocate for which is realising that all Stars have a set orbit and we should not interfere with other's orbits, yet we should strive to call out irrationality and things counter to nature when we see them.

That is a very rational approach.

However, when one is brought up to follow Jesus' teachings it's not so easy to just abandon it all.

Spirituality and religious missions, such as caring for the poor, can work together, but maybe since I am straddling both sides of the fence, it is irrational (?)

[Tecate]

Interesting enough is that almost all religions have the tenet of the Golden Rule.

“Do unto others and you would have done to you”

I recall that either Satanism and/or another offshoot has “Do what thy will”

I am not sticking up for or against religion vs spirituality, but if people just followed the Golden Rule, we would all be in a much better place.

My 2 pesos…

Tecate

[UltraBudgie]

Interesting enough is that almost all religions have the tenet of the Golden Rule.

“Do unto others and you would have done to you”

I recall that either Satanism and/or another offshoot has “Do what thy will”

I am not sticking up for or against religion vs spirituality, but if people just followed the Golden Rule, we would all be in a much better place.

My 2 pesos…

Tecate

Harold Camping used to make a great point that, considering what many people want and the nasty little games they play with each other, requesting they do unto others as they would have done to themselves is not always a great idea. He suggested Confucius' formulation: "Don't do unto others what you don't want done unto you.” More of a prohibition against treating others abhorrently. Better.

It's an interesting phrasing: "Do what thou wilt". The archaic phrasing not only sounds mystacool, but is deliberate in its exactitude. Modern English would not allow the unambiguous second person singular or past tense. An exhortation to respect one's past self, rather than the fancy of the moment, and to not confuse one's will with that of others.

[IdeomotorPrisoner]

Harold Camping used to make a great point that, considering what many people want and the nasty little games they play with each other, requesting they do unto others as they would have done to themselves is not always a great idea. He suggested Confucius' formulation: "Don't do unto others what you don't want done unto you.” More of a prohibition against treating others abhorrently. Better.

It's an interesting phrasing: "Do what thou wilt". The archaic phrasing not only sounds mystacool, but is deliberate in its exactitude. Modern English would not allow the unambiguous second person singular or past tense. An exhortation to respect one's past self, rather than the fancy of the moment, and to not confuse one's will with that of others.

He is freaking great.

How much did he blow at Clear Channel during the last apocalypse?

"It's seriously for true gonna happen this time."

"I did my ancient interpretation of crazy Bible things wrong again."

He hasn't done an apocalypse prediction in a while. And it's such a biblical time for it.

For golden rules, I prefer do unto to others as you would have done to you + option for revenge when they don't. Definitely more Old Testament in that regard. (Exodus 21 23-27)

As far as any fourth books of law go..

Aleister Crowley was a sentimental wife-beating fruitcake hypocrite.

Whole quote: "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. Love is the law, love under will."

So how does he line that up with never controlling his emotions, screwing everyone in sight, and doing a bunch of heroin?

That love is the law crap the Crowley people do backfires, just like it did for Crowley.

People will follow the law of love in their head, thinking it's all under the will of their passion, and they'll still end up in tears when their willed delusion comes crashing down. Sometimes after spending money on cross country travel. And in really psycho cases they'll blame the oblivious "love under will" for not sharing their solipsistic worldview.

And that's why that occulty crap is dangerous. People are delusional with their spirit and have a tendency to make things up to hurt themselves.