Has Ukraine collapsed

[ANNEE]

I don't think the Russians have that much national pride with Putin as a dictatorial leader, why would they?

It's kind of like everywhere else from what I've read.  

The more rural uneducated areas are more patriotic and believe the propaganda.

Higher educated city citizens are more aware of reality.

[sahgwa]

Was a 10 year civil war and the Russian Ukrainians begged for help, the Western Slavic Ukrainians wanted control with the West and Biden government over Russian East Ukraine. 
Minerals and bread basket of Europe, no chance
Putin warned and warned, hid nothing before the invasion. 
I am sure if the West wanted to negotiate they could have but, war is money
Anyway, for what it’s worth, pretty sure it could have been negotiated, support it or not, I can understand why Russia went in. 

Anyway, your analysis is pretty fair of my comments I think, thanks Quint’

Everyone forgets the BBC News covering the government in Kiev shelling it's own citizens and sending out death squads against Russian speakers in the Donbass , and now that Russia is boogie man number one, a lot of the reporting if not willfully forgotten, is deleted. it's farcical.  shrug.

[UltraBudgie]

Everyone forgets the BBC News covering the government in Kiev shelling it's own citizens and sending out death squads against Russian speakers in the Donbass , and now that Russia is boogie man number one, a lot of the reporting if not willfully forgotten, is deleted. it's farcical.  shrug.

also not mentioned is that the whole thing was kicked off by what was found to be a false flag operation, not involving russia

The Maidan massacre trial verdict in Ukraine in October 2023 confirmed that many Maidan activists were killed and wounded and BBC and ARD TV journalists were shot at on February 20, 2014, not by Berkut or other law enforcement but by snipers in Hotel Ukraina and other Maidan-controlled locations, that this hotel was controlled by Maidan activists, including a far-right-linked Maidan company of snipers, that Russian agents were not involved in the massacre, that there were no massacre orders by President Yanukovych and his police and security chiefs, and that the EuroMaidan then was an armed rebellion, which involved the massacre of the Berkut and Internal Troops. The conviction of three Berkut officers in absentia for killings of 35 out of 49 and wounding of 52 out of 172 Maidan activists on February 20 was based a fraudulent forensic examination, which reversed some 40 forensic bullets examinations and contradicted synchronized videos, testimonies of most wounded protesters, and medical and ballistic examinations. The prosecution denied that snipers in the Maidan-controlled buildings massacred activists, despite de facto acknowledgment by the investigation and the trial and that most Maidan activists were shot on February 20 from the Maidan-controlled locations. It did not use ballistic experts to determine locations of shooters of most protesters even after court order. Key evidence disappeared. Nobody has been convicted with real prison sentence for killing of all 74 and wounding all 312 Maidan activists on February 18–20, 2014, and nobody is convicted for killing of all 13 and wounding of all 190 police and Internal Troops members on the Maidan.

https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.100...-67121-0_8

[ANNEE]

Bottom line.

Russia invaded Ukraine.

[Creaky]

So now we are on to the classic "I don’t care what you think" routine, how very predictable.
 
Let's clear this up gently, since facts seem to bruise your ego.

There was no 10-year civil war in Ukraine between "Slavic types" no matter how many times you repeat the lie.
 
That's just something the internet told you after midnight on the likes of Rumble or Bitchute.
 
I don't think it's me who's lacking maturity, and I'm not the one failing to elucidate or make sense.

Mods are allowed to have opinions whether you care to recognise that fact or otherwise.
 
I suggest you take a swig of your own medicine, Creaky, because you are the one beginning to sound childish simply because you are losing an argument.
 
As to telling people to "trot off", quite frankly no, not while you continue to spout your Russia propaganda and fake news.

The forum is here for discussion and debate, nobody is attacking you.
 
You're confusing DI with what Putin's perpetrating in Ukraine. 

Discussion and debate? 
carefully, you are an internet nobody, you have no value in my life outside of a few keyboard strokes and ignorant words on conspiracy forum. 
For those reasons above I don’t care
Classic routine line or not, you are nobody to me and your opinion is irrelevant, just accept that as simple fact, bitchute, twitter YouTube, whatever I watch is irrelevant to you
Please just disagree and leave the snide personal attacks out.
Grow up, man up, I don’t care what some mindless Yank 10000ks away from me thinks 

Telling you to trot off was encouraging you to discover a bit of maturity. 
No intention of arguing with the ignorant, now trot off
Your confusing your opinion as valid to anyone but yourself

Moderator, take the clown mask off ?

[Creaky]

Biden is the MAIN point of the discussion besides Putin!

If it wasn't for Biden's personal meddling and using Ukraine as a money laundering mat, and his machinations as Vice President, including the McCain, Graham, Nuland, neo Nazi coddling, neocon warmongering nonsense, Putin never would have invaded!

Sorry Biden was a gormless shell, probably even before he became president, mentally vacuous at times and completely controlled by whomever, throw some names and I will probably eagerly agree, just Biden, he was in my opinion pretty much a nothing outside of his corruption and sons laptop, Ukrainian employment history.

[andy06shake]

Discussion and debate? 
carefully, you are an internet nobody, you have no value in my life outside of a few keyboard strokes and ignorant words on conspiracy forum. 
For those reasons above I don’t care
Classic routine line or not, you are nobody to me and your opinion is irrelevant, just accept that as simple fact, bitchute, twitter YouTube, whatever I watch is irrelevant to you
Please just disagree and leave the snide personal attacks out.
Grow up, man up, I don’t care what some mindless Yank 10000ks away from me thinks 

Telling you to trot off was encouraging you to discover a bit of maturity. 
No intention of arguing with the ignorant, now trot off
Your confusing your opinion as valid to anyone but yourself

Moderator, take the clown mask off ?

Discussion and debate indeed.

People who "don't care", don't write diatribes, about how little they care, about "internet nobodys" Creaky. 

You claim the moral high ground, whilst rolling around in muck, insults, and wounded pride.

Saying "your opinion is irrelevant" while demanding everyone stop and listen to you is comedy gold pal.

And can you point out these snide personal attacks?

Because i can point to yours. 

Also im not from America, so your stereotypical, and very predictable "mindless Yank" jibe missed the mark by about 3500 miles. 

I really don't think it's me who has to grow up.

Care to try again with another butthurt cartographical error?

Or would you like to return to reality, and the actual topic of the thread?

So on topic, as far as im aware, Ukraine has yet to collapse or capitulate.

Freedom to Ukraine and down with the Russian invaders.

[ANNEE]

Sorry Biden was a gormless shell, probably even before he became president, mentally vacuous at times and completely controlled by whomever, throw some names and I will probably eagerly agree, just Biden, he was in my opinion pretty much a nothing outside of his corruption and sons laptop, Ukrainian employment history.

I'm neutral when it comes to Biden -- however -- he had far more real hands-on experience that some.

Biden's political history timeline. 

Joe Biden's political career spans over five decades, starting with his first campaign in 1970 and culminating in his presidency. Here's a brief timeline of his significant milestones:

• 1970: First political campaign, winning election to the New Castle County Council in Delaware.
  
• 1972: Elected to the U.S. Senate, becoming one of the youngest senators in U.S. history.
  
• 1972: Tragedy strikes the Biden family, leading to a period of reflection and personal growth. (Joe Biden’s first wife, Neilia Hunter Biden, and their 13‑month‑old daughter, Naomi Christina Biden, died in a car crash on December 18, 1972)
  
• 1976: Endorsed Jimmy Carter for president in the Democratic primaries.
  
• 2020: Elected President of the United States, inaugurated on January 20, 2021.
  
• 2024: Withdrawal from the presidential race, marking the end of his political career. 
  
  
  

[quintessentone]

It's kind of like everywhere else from what I've read.  

The more rural uneducated areas are more patriotic and believe the propaganda.

Higher educated city citizens are more aware of reality.

I've been watching independent podcasters interview city and rural dwellers and it looks like they have all just given up.

[Sky727]

The cost of war to Russia