Do you know dream states?

[Sirius]

I'm curious Sirius, have you tried Psilocybin?

No, but probably will eventually.  Have you? Does any of the things I talk about in my threads sound familiar?

[midicon]

No, but probably will eventually.  Have you? Does any of the things I talk about in my threads sound familiar?

I have and it somehow opened up the dream world for me. There are some things familiar but I get put off by the woo dispensers and am wary of joining the conversations.

I mentioned psilocybin because you need the experience perhaps rather than endlessly reading all the different paths and schools of thought.

[Sirius]

I have and it somehow opened up the dream world for me. There are some things familiar but I get put off by the woo dispensets and am wary of joining the conversations.

I mentioned psilocybin because you need the experience perhaps rather than endlessly reading all the different paths and schools of thought.

Fair enough.  Would love to hear your experience of the dream world and insights you gained.

[Ray1990]

90 seconds...interesting, has this been consistent? "approaching the hypnopompic stage but not fully engaging"... so these dreams you can control are not the same as hypnagogic/hypnopompic ones? Or does it all feel the same for you?

It's a state of full awareness within a dream, I haven't experienced it too many times and 90 seconds seems to be the cut off time. Any more than that and you'll just wake up. Ever had an exciting dream where you've gained autonomy and awareness? You tend to wake up, if you're swinging punches, running or doing anything physically active it'll have a chance of moving the body in reality. Within a dream it's possible to revert back to dreamlike thinking instead of waking and thus reversing the process.

The dream I mentioned with a conversation was the first time I reversed the effect of full consciousness, I had a long boring (normal) dream after the experience. I can mention more about this.

Interesting list, I was going to mention yoga nidra... It's a technique I was practicing before I learned about it. Give it a go as it definitely helps with awareness.

I'd say this "fully conscious" experience can be initiated within any dream, most times it's a basic awareness though or awareness within a dream. With partial awareness you're not aware of your breathing, the warmth of a bed or the tensing of muscles, sensations you usually only experience within those hypnagogic/hypnopompic stages. My theory is being asleep and awake is an untenable position, I guess I'm saying those stages and awareness are bundled up together. As if the part of the body that ushers in those hypna/hypno stages can be trained, yoga nidra could be considered a workout within that frame of thinking.

Seemingly there's a few types of dreams. The rule of thumb is play the role or bugger off. The most interesting ones to me are the ones you can leave as much as you want but you're coming back till it's finished.

There's dreams with no sound where the sun is either about to rise or has just set (I believe it's the former) these dreams tend to have muted conversations with people that have passed, ever had dreams like that?

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[Waterglass]

What are dreams and is there different levels or dream worlds etc.?

Specifically dreams. Not the astral plane or whatever other crazy stuff you are into unless the two can't be separated.

I'm trying to figure out wtf I'm experiencing and also want to explore dreams. The closest matches I can get is Turiya (Vedanta), Barzakh (Sufism ), Dream Yoga and possibly something from the kabbala .

This is a pretty good description.
"A person in Turiya is simultaneously aware of the dream state, the waking state, and the transcendental reality beyond both."

That "transcendental reality" is what I think people refer to usually when they talk about the astral plane. You see projection of your dreams there, like an actual projection, there is a hologram running with your dreams. You can enter and exit it. At the same time you are in the astral plane. Your are also 100% awake and all your normal senses still work.  Your everywhere at once.  You are not asleep during this. wtf

What's going on with dreams? How do I get that projection to do something else, is there deeper levels?

edit: Any comments are welcome, you don't have to be some kind of guru or expert.

In my dreams I dream in living color. I can also feel hot, cold and pain. I did have Sleep Paralysis since I was age 7. While in Sleep Paralysis all is in a fuzzy gray - black view of a room. One recurring dream is that I am fighting in the Civil War for the Confederacy as a foot soldier, I die by bayonet near the heart. I awaken immediately when it goes into my skin. My Sleep Paralysis was reduced by 99% back in 2018-2019. I prayed to God for it to stop. My last SP episode was on January 31, 2022. NONE since. I now attend church and pray with a Rosary. Thats a huge backstory that has since been published via a 40 minute Podcast on Substack by Dr. Sheila Pryce Brooks , York University London, UK

[Sirius]

In my dreams I dream in living color. I can also feel hot, cold and pain. I did have Sleep Paralysis since I was age 7. While in Sleep Paralysis all is in a fuzzy gray - black view of a room. One recurring dream is that I am fighting in the Civil War for the Confederacy as a foot soldier, I die by bayonet near the heart. I awaken immediately when it goes into my skin. My Sleep Paralysis was reduced by 99% back in 2018-2019. I prayed to God for it to stop. My last SP episode was on January 31, 2022. NONE since. I now attend church and pray with a Rosary. Thats a huge backstory that has since been published via a 40 minute Podcast on Substack by Dr. Sheila Pryce Brooks , York University London, UK

Thanks, your threads here and on ATS are epic, part of what drew me in. I will look for the podcast.

This is the first time I hear about SP in fuzzy gray, I must have missed that. My SP episodes are normal vision, clear as day or night as the case me be.

[Sirius]

Soul Travel and the HunIn Taoist cosmology, the human being is composed of multiple souls or spiritual aspects. The most relevant for dream travel and spirit communication are:

• Hun (Ethereal Soul): The spiritual, Yang aspect of the soul that can travel beyond the body during sleep or meditation.
  
• Po (Corporeal Soul): The physical, Yin aspect that remains anchored to the body.
  

During sleep or deep meditation, the Hun is believed to leave the body and journey to other realms, such as:

• The Heavens (Tian): Realms of celestial beings, immortals (Xian), and divine wisdom.
  
• The Underworld (Di Yu): Realms where unresolved karma or ancestral spirits reside.
  
• The Astral Plane: A subtle dimension that mirrors the physical world but operates on a higher vibrational frequency.
  

[Sirius]

Ten Courts of Hell sound hectic, i don't know if I could meditate that. At least not without supervision. Nine Heavens sounds sweet though.


Realms of Travel in Taoism
Taoists describe several realms that can be accessed through soul travel or dream states:
a. The Heavens (Tian)

• Realms of light, wisdom, and divine beings.
  
• Associated with the Nine Heavens, each ruled by a celestial deity or immortal.
  
• Practitioners may travel here to receive teachings, blessings, or initiations.
  

b. The Underworld (Di Yu)

• Realms of darkness, where unresolved karma or ancestral spirits reside.
  
• Associated with the Ten Courts of Hell, each governed by a judge who oversees the souls of the deceased.
  
• Traveling here may involve confronting fears, resolving past traumas, or communicating with ancestors.
  

c. The Astral Plane

• A subtle dimension that mirrors the physical world but operates on a higher vibrational frequency.
  
• Here, practitioners may encounter spirit guides, animal totems, or other travelers.
  

d. The Immortal Realms

• Realms inhabited by Xian (immortals), beings who have achieved spiritual perfection and eternal life.
  
• These realms are often described as paradises, such as Penglai, the mythical island of the immortals.
  

[Sirius]

ngl, all kind of looks the same to me.  Some people actively engage and some don't. A common theme of 3D. Some venture into 4d while others goes all the way too 11d. It all becomes up gobdly goopy at some point.

Sleeping in churches and dream chambers seems viable. That also means mood and effort otherwise known as ritual can be employed. You can craft your own dreamcatcher over a couple of days or something like that.

I think I got what I wanted.  Still interested in peoples stories. If someone could explain all those dimensions it would be great, or however far you can go.

Here is a take from something that can do noting but dream, the great oracle chatgpt.  

• 3rd-4th Dimensions: Physical and astral planes.
  
• 5th-6th Dimensions: Vibrational shifts, expanded awareness, unity, and timelines.
  
• 7th Dimension: Divine order, archetypes, or universal mind.
  
• 8th-9th Dimensions: Pure oneness, divine intelligence, or ultimate reality.
  

Obviously drugs and herbs or whatever works to, but good luck if you don't include something from above. Side effects will be becoming a priest or going mad, but more likely just mad. Don't mess around with this shit, go see a priest or something first  

[midicon]

Quintessence has probably given you the best answer here regarding the dream state....

"Well, psychology tells us that dreams are our subconscious trying to tell our conscious something, usually that which has been tucked away into the dark recesses of our mind so we can forget it or not ever have to deal with it (perhaps to protect our mental health). What that something is we all have to try and figure out, or self-analysis, self-awareness and to end denial, or seek professional help to figure it out, or just leave it there never to be shown the light of day."

All the rest is valueless nonsense. Tell me what is to be gained from 'astral projection' or 'lucid dreaming' ? The above paragraph at least has some value where something might be gained. Personal growth, insight and dare I say it transformation is possible but that is not enough for the likes of you. You want more.

I'm an old sort of Jungian and no hard headed pragmatist, lest you think so. I could expand on that first paragraph as there are reasons why Jung is called a mystic but why should I? This site is called 'Deny Ignorance' and yet it is full of it.