Do you know dream states?

[Sirius]

All animals dream, so don't characterize human dreams as a high mystical event. It seems to be the way the brain processes experience.

Bold of you to assume that the dreams are yours.

[midicon]

I'm a dog that got the scent of something and now I'm chasing it.

Perhaps that might be a sort of catch 22 for you. You seem to be chasing everything. Sometimes you just have to stop and let things happen.

[quintessentone]

All I can contribute here, is dreams can be controlled by your mind, whereas with mystical journeys...well, just be prepared for anything to come your way, or show up.

[CCoburn]

Subconscious Dream Theories


The dreamscape may have some clues as to how our waking reality is fabricated? What if it's a macro/micro sort of thing fundamental to consciousness? Individual microcosmic consciousness creates our own little dreamscape worlds, but reflected on a larger scale maybe the macrocosmic dreamscape is our reality, and space and time is nothing but an illusion, just as it is in our dreams?

[Sirius]

Subconscious Dream Theories


The dreamscape may have some clues as to how our waking reality is fabricated? What if it's a macro/micro sort of thing fundamental to consciousness? Individual microcosmic consciousness creates our own little dreamscape worlds, but reflected on a larger scale maybe the macrocosmic dreamscape is our reality, and space and time is nothing but an illusion, just as it is in our dreams?

Could be, probably something to perception being the illusion.

I think the guys had enough nonsense for the moment and want to celebrate the new presidency. Us talking about illusions isn't going to make friends at this time.

I'm going to leave the thread to bake for a while, some kind some soul will come around or I will find the answer and it bring it here.

@midicon most of my threads are connected, I'm not jumping between topics. I'm also just a conduit, there is no limit to my energy becasue it's not coming from me. https://denyignorance.com/Thread-Where-d...-come-from

[CCoburn]

I think the guys had enough nonsense for the moment and want to celebrate the new presidency. Us talking about illusions isn't going to make friends at this time.

Existence is "nonsense". I mean, the macrocosmic layout is good, but there really is a lot of nonsense. It could all just be different modes, layers, and levels of consciousness.

Lucid dreaming is what happens when different modes are superimposed upon one another. It happens to me randomly on occasion, and I don't try to force it but have in the past. You can play around with hypnagogic and hypnopompic states in various ways or try and fabricate 'triggers' to be alerted when fully immersed.

The parallels and analogies can be interesting. Like when your subconscious fabricates a virtual reality dreamscape that your conscious becomes aware. Your consciousness created it, it's your world, and you are God there as opposed to the macrocosmic experience.

[Sirius]

Existence is "nonsense". I mean, the macrocosmic layout is good, but there really is a lot of nonsense. It could all just be different modes, layers, and levels of consciousness.

Lucid dreaming is what happens when different modes are superimposed upon one another. It happens to me randomly on occasion, and I don't try to force it but have in the past. You can play around with hypnagogic and hypnopompic states in various ways or try and fabricate 'triggers' to be alerted when fully immersed.

The parallels and analogies can be interesting. Like when your subconscious fabricates a virtual reality dreamscape that your conscious becomes aware. Your consciousness created it, it's your world, and you are God there as opposed to the macrocosmic experience.

The gateway is above time and space and there are portals there, go past the timeless place where the is no space. You can get to the gateway by traveling through all the planes preceding it, or you can get pulled there from your dreams. You are ate the gateway when you understand the trinity and can exist in all.

Dreams apparently is a communication device, who's though? Your own? Is it two way? How deep does this rabbit hole go? I look at it and I see the shell of a turtle so there must be more underneath, I also went past many to get here.

We had a thread going here https://denyignorance.com/Thread-Are-any...ust-dreams some members likened their dreams to being mind raped. Pretty extreme take, is there something to it?

[Ray1990]

I honestly haven't a clue about all this stuff, the problem is consciousness is apparently as individualistic as it gets which comes with it's own problems. Dreams are usually somewhat illogical.

Take what UltraBudgie mentioned about pivoting for instance, I've always seen it as a pin... The subject or pinned topic stays stable but the world changes around the focal point. These are what I consider 'normal' dreams and are typically the more difficult to raise awareness within, for me anyway. The scope of the pin can change but too much awareness usually equals waking up...

Full consciousness within a dream doesn't seem tenable, I will awaken fully within about 90 seconds although it's hard to gauge time within a dream. The more I experience this the more I liken it to being in two places at once since you're aware you're in a dream state whilst also being in a bed. You've got dream consciousness and actual consciousness happening at once. It's in those moments you realise you are the pin and the hand that moves it.

Once in that place I had a full blown conversation with someone who by all reasoning I could muster was as equally as conscious as me. That was the first time I took mental note of the "90 seconds rule" I've come to assume.

Idk what that's all about, at a guess I'd say it's approaching the hypnopompic stage but not fully engaging. All the magic happens around those states so to speak.

I imagine it to be a organ/muscle the hypnagogic/hypnopompic stage, you can learn to flex it. It's possible to consciously exit and enter sleep so why not? Aren't we essentially postulating that sleep is a 6th sense occasionally?

[Sirius]

Full consciousness within a dream doesn't seem tenable, I will awaken fully within about 90 seconds although it's hard to gauge time within a dream. The more I experience this the more I liken it to being in two places at once since you're aware you're in a dream state whilst also being in a bed. You've got dream consciousness and actual consciousness happening at once. It's in those moments you realise you are the pin and the hand that moves it.

90 seconds...interesting, has this been consistent? "approaching the hypnopompic stage but not fully engaging"... so these dreams you can control are not the same as hypnagogic/hypnopompic ones? Or does it all feel the same for you?

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From chatgpt, I guess it's a start.

Australian Aboriginal Beliefs and Practices

• Dreamtime as a Sacred Realm: In the Yolngu and Arrernte peoples' cosmologies, the Dreamtime is both a spiritual realm and a historical period where ancestral spirits created the world. Dreams are a means of accessing this timeless spiritual world.
  
• Spirit Communication: The Warlpiri people believe that during dreams, individuals can communicate with spirits, including ancestors and totemic beings. These spirits may offer guidance or warnings.
  
• Totem Animals in Dreams: Many Aboriginal groups believe that totemic animals, which represent an individual or a group, appear in dreams to guide, warn, or teach. Dreaming of one’s totem often signifies a spiritual lesson or responsibility.
  
• Ceremonial Dreaming: Rituals, including dances, songs, and storytelling, are often inspired by dreams. For example:
  • Songlines: Specific groups may trace ancestral journeys through dreams, recording these paths in ceremonial songs and dances. Songlines are navigational and spiritual guides.
    
  • Corroboree Ceremonies: These are communal gatherings where dream-inspired dances and songs reenact creation stories, reaffirming connections to the land and ancestors.
    

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Native American Beliefs

• Ojibwe (Chippewa): The Dreamcatcher Tradition
  • Belief: Dreams are channels through which spiritual guidance flows. Bad dreams are considered harmful, while good dreams bring clarity and wisdom.
    
  • Ritual: Dreamcatchers are crafted and hung over sleeping places to filter out bad dreams and allow good dreams to pass through.
    
• Lakota Sioux: Vision Quests
  • Belief: Dreams and visions reveal personal and spiritual purposes.
    
  • Ritual: Young individuals undertake a vision quest, which involves fasting and isolation in nature. During this time, dreams or visions guide their future roles in the community.
    
• Iroquois: Dream Interpretation
  • Belief: Dreams are messages from the spirit world and must be acted upon to maintain harmony.
    
  • Ritual: Dream-sharing ceremonies include elders interpreting dreams and offering guidance to the dreamer.
    

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Maori (New Zealand)

• Dreams as Ancestral Contact
  • Belief: In Maori cosmology, dreams are a medium for ancestors to communicate with the living. Dreams may warn of danger, reveal sacred knowledge, or guide decisions.
    
  • Ritual: Certain dreams are shared with tribal elders, who interpret their meaning. Sacred rituals may follow to honor the ancestors' guidance.
    
• Moe Moemoeā (Prophetic Dreams):
  • These are believed to foretell future events or provide insight into important decisions. Ceremonial rituals might be conducted to ensure the dream’s prophecy comes to fruition.
    

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Hinduism

• Dreams as Karma and Spiritual Insights
  • Belief: Dreams are reflections of karma and spiritual states. They may also be influenced by divine beings or spiritual practices.
    
  • Ritual: During significant festivals like Shivaratri, devotees may seek dreams as signs from deities. Some perform meditative rituals before sleeping to invite spiritual dreams.
    
• Yoga Nidra (Yogic Sleep):
  • This practice is a meditative state between waking and dreaming. It is used to access deep states of relaxation and heightened awareness, resembling lucid dreaming.
    

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Tibetan Buddhism

• Dream Yoga:
  • Belief: Dreams are seen as a means to practice enlightenment. Through awareness and control in dreams, practitioners can confront fears and dissolve the ego.
    
  • Ritual: Specific meditative practices are done before sleep, including visualizations and chanting mantras, to induce lucid dreaming and spiritual awareness during sleep.
    

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Sami (Northern Europe)

• Shamanic Dream Practices:
  • Belief: Dreams connect the living with the spirit world and provide guidance for survival, healing, and problem-solving.
    
  • Ritual: Sami shamans, or noaidi, use drum-induced trances to enter dream-like states and communicate with spirits. Dreams might be enhanced by sacred songs or the use of natural hallucinogens like mushrooms.
    

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Zulu (South Africa)

• Dreams as Ancestral Messages:
  • Belief: Dreams are sacred messages from ancestors, often instructing individuals on how to solve problems or conduct rituals.
    
  • Ritual: After significant dreams, a traditional healer (isangoma) might interpret them. If the dream involves a warning or request from ancestors, a ceremony may be held to appease or honor them.
    

[midicon]

I'm curious Sirius, have you tried Psilocybin?