Do you know dream states?

[Sirius]

What are dreams and is there different levels or dream worlds etc.?

Specifically dreams. Not the astral plane or whatever other crazy stuff you are into unless the two can't be separated.

I'm trying to figure out wtf I'm experiencing and also want to explore dreams. The closest matches I can get is Turiya (Vedanta), Barzakh (Sufism ), Dream Yoga and possibly something from the kabbala .

This is a pretty good description.
"A person in Turiya is simultaneously aware of the dream state, the waking state, and the transcendental reality beyond both."

That "transcendental reality" is what I think people refer to usually when they talk about the astral plane. You see projection of your dreams there, like an actual projection, there is a hologram running with your dreams. You can enter and exit it. At the same time you are in the astral plane. Your are also 100% awake and all your normal senses still work.  Your everywhere at once.  You are not asleep during this. wtf

What's going on with dreams? How do I get that projection to do something else, is there deeper levels?

edit: Any comments are welcome, you don't have to be some kind of guru or expert.

[quintessentone]

What are dreams and is there different levels or dream worlds etc.?

This is a pretty good description.
"A person in Turiya is simultaneously aware of the dream state, the waking state, and the transcendental reality beyond both."

What's going on with dreams? How do I get that projection to do something else, is there deeper levels?

edit: Any comments are welcome, you don't have to be some kind of guru or expert.

Well, psychology tells us that dreams are our subconscious trying to tell our conscious something, usually that which has been tucked away into the dark recesses of our mind so we can forget it or not ever have to deal with it (perhaps to protect our mental health). What that something is we all have to try and figure out, or self-analysis, self-awareness and to end denial, or seek professional help to figure it out, or just leave it there never to be shown the light of day.

Projection (not quite the right word) or command over one's psyche, in my experience, is simply taking command of your dreams and orchestrating or creating whatever you want. I think this is an in between stage of sleep, not in REM, IMO. I have mastered knowing when I am in a dream and can change anything I want within that state, such as if I am in a room filling up with water, I simply will myself to grow gills and continue on my daily routine in the dream. I also taught my children how to do this and they tell me they have also been able to tell themselves while in their dreams that it is only a dream but then they orchestrate or change it at will.

As for astral projection, well I've always done it through deep meditation as I feel what is needed here is a focused approach to achieve a specific goal or journey.

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No, we don't only dream during REM sleep. Dreaming can occur during both REM and non-REM (NREM) sleep. However, the types of dreams we have may differ depending on the sleep stage.

[UltraBudgie]

What I find really interesting is how time works in dreams. Like how a dream had in the slumber after an alarm goes off can seem to last for hours. Yet the brain-meter thingies show there's some linear manifestation of neurological activity similar to the waking state, but different. Like downloading a PDF all quickly, as opposed to reading a book. Or something. Maybe like that thing in the Matrix with the cassette player and the neck spike that made their eyes wiggle.

Also context pivots. Like in a dream you'll, say, be walking in the woods, then meet someone, then you'll suddenly be on a boat with them, or something, then you notice something on the boat and suddenly you're going close to a waterfall, then instead of falling you're floating on a spaceship, etc. Like everything except what you're focusing immediately on the the dream is malleable, and reality "pivots" around it, and as you experience the dream you move the pivot. I sort of feel the trick to lucid dreaming is learning to control moving the pivot.

[Sirius]

Projection (not quite the right word) or command over one's psyche, in my experience, is simply taking command of your dreams and orchestrating or creating whatever you want. I think this is an in between stage of sleep, not in REM, IMO. I have mastered knowing when I am in a dream

How do you know? Is this the stage just before you are sleeping that you are referring too? How did you learn to control it?

Is it the same as the film reel that Ultrabudgie describe here?  The film reel seems to mostly be nonsense playing and your just along for the ride.  Other dreams "feel" different...more real. I don't think all of this is happing in the same state of consciousness. 

 

Also context pivots. Like in a dream you'll, say, be walking in the woods, then meet someone, then you'll suddenly be on a boat with them, or something, then you notice something on the boat and suddenly you're going close to a waterfall, then instead of falling you're floating on a spaceship, etc. Like everything except what you're focusing immediately on the the dream is malleable, and reality "pivots" around it, and as you experience the dream you move the pivot. I sort of feel the trick to lucid dreaming is learning to control moving the pivot.

Sorry lots of questions.

[quintessentone]

How do you know? Is this the stage just before you are sleeping that you are referring too? How did you learn to control it?

Is it the same as the film reel that Ultrabudgie describe here?  The film reel seems to mostly be nonsense playing and your just along for the ride.  Other dreams "feel" different...more real. I don't think all of this is happing in the same state of consciousness. 

 

Sorry lots of questions.

What I told my children is that when the dream starts turning bad or threatening or into a nightmare, you can stop the dream, calm down, then say to yourself "I am in a dream, I can change it to anything I want". This may be what ultrabudgie is referring to as in 'pivoting'. Where you stop that moment of time in the dream, then move from the subconscious REM state to the in between state, then change the scenario then get back into REM sleep or jolt yourself awake and forget the whole thing.

So, I believe my deep dream state is during REM (subconscious) and this is where you need to train your mind to simply be able recognize when you are dreaming. Then the choice is yours where you take it.

BTW, I have never thought any of my dreams were real since I have practised deep meditation, ESP, have received family spirit visits, remote viewing, and OBEs. These are totally different experiences, well to me at this point in time any way...famous last words until we can understand the mind and spirit on higher levels of being.

I hope I was able to explain it in such as way that you may be able to practice it.

Edit to add: It may also be practised in the waking state using calming practices or breathing techniques to take control of a moment or moments in time where one can rebalance and not be reactionary. "Take a deep breath." "Count to ten."

[Sirius]

What I told my children is that when the dream starts turning bad or threatening or into a nightmare, you can stop the dream, calm down, then say to yourself "I am in a dream, I can change it to anything I want". This may be what ultrabudgie is referring to as in 'pivoting'. Where you stop that moment of time in the dream, then move from the subconscious REM state to the in between state, then change the scenario then get back into REM sleep or jolt yourself awake and forget the whole thing.

So, I believe my deep dream state is during REM (subconscious) and this is where you need to train your mind to simply be able recognize when you are dreaming. Then the choice is yours where you take it.

BTW, I have never thought any of my dreams were real since I have practised deep meditation, ESP, have received family spirit visits, remote viewing, and OBEs. These are totally different experiences, well to me at this point in time any way...famous last words until we can understand the mind and spirit on higher levels of being.

I hope I was able to explain it in such as way that you may be able to practice it.

I'm thinking there are realms because it was turtles all the way down to get here. 

Most likely there is spiritual practices that taps into or has explored this because I got here through meditation.  Hoping more kind souls come forward and something here sounds familiar.

[quintessentone]

I'm thinking there are realms because it was turtles all the way down to get here. 

Most likely there is spiritual practices that taps into or has explored this because I got here through meditation.  Hoping more kind souls come forward and something here sounds familiar.

Are you overly imaginative, creative, artistic...?

[pianopraze]

How do you know? Is this the stage just before you are sleeping that you are referring too? How did you learn to control it?

Is it the same as the film reel that Ultrabudgie describe here?  The film reel seems to mostly be nonsense playing and your just along for the ride.  Other dreams "feel" different...more real. I don't think all of this is happing in the same state of consciousness. 

 

Sorry lots of questions.

Been doing this in my dreams from the age of 5 or 6. Not more than a few times a month most months.

Usually use it to fly.

You wake in part of your mind, not fully awake, but enough to realize it’s a dream then you can use that awareness to control the dream.

[Sirius]

Are you overly imaginative, creative, artistic...?

I'm a dog that got the scent of something and now I'm chasing it.

[Lynyrd Skynyrd]

All animals dream, so don't characterize human dreams as a high mystical event. It seems to be the way the brain processes experience.