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(05-28-2026, 08:07 PM)Grim Reaper 6 Wrote: That's, certainly not true just because to species can breed doesn't mean they are genetically the same.
True, see Ring Species:
Ring Species
Also, Neanderthals as well as Denisovans genetically fall OUTSIDE the normal range of the Homo sapiens genome so as to be sufficiently recognized as distinctly separate species!
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05-29-2026, 01:48 AM
This post was last modified: 05-29-2026, 02:31 AM by Creaky. 
(05-28-2026, 08:07 PM)Grim Reaper 6 Wrote: That's, certainly not true just because to species can breed doesn't mean they are genetically the same.
Ignored the whole point of the thread with that comment, just brushed over everything that the thread is about.
That wasn’t even part of the conversation
They are passing their dna to the offspring generationally, GENERATIONALLY that’s the whole point of them being human, passing on dna, not just breeding
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05-29-2026, 01:52 AM
This post was last modified: 05-29-2026, 02:09 AM by Creaky. 
(05-28-2026, 10:48 PM)Cormac Mac Airt Wrote: True, see Ring Species:
Ring Species
Also, Neanderthals as well as Denisovans genetically fall OUTSIDE the normal range of the Homo sapiens genome so as to be sufficiently recognized as distinctly separate species!
cormac
Oh, like ring species, you know like Pygmy, not human, not evolved, stupid thing to say.
I guess skins colour, size, hair colour means different species does it.
Ring species, stupid science for stupid people
https://anthropology.washu.edu/people/erik-trinkaus
Trinkaus called Neanderthal human, believe him over any of your statements
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05-29-2026, 02:10 AM
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(05-28-2026, 07:31 PM)ArMaP Wrote: There are animals with parents from different species, like mules and ligers, for example, so being able to breed is not a guarantee of being of the same species.
So what
what has this to do with anything
Unless you are saying because neanderthal can breed with other humans and carry the same dna, Neanderthal dna is passed on to other humans who bread, meaning they are human just like us.
Just as I said
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(05-28-2026, 08:04 PM)Grim Reaper 6 Wrote: Animals from different species can breed like you said. But in the case of Mules and Ligers they both are born sterile as a result of being different species.
Not always, there are some cases of mules having offspring, and those could have mule, horse or donkey characteristics.
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(05-29-2026, 02:10 AM)Creaky Wrote: So what
what has this to do with anything
Unless you are saying because neanderthal can breed with other humans and carry the same dna, Neanderthal dna is passed on to other humans who bread, meaning they are human just like us.
Just as I said
You said "we are the same, obviously, or we couldn’t breed with them", I was pointing that we animals of different species (which means they are not the same) can breed.
In this specific case, both homo neanderthalensis and homo sapiens, according to the classification systems in use, are considered different species of the genus homo, in the same way equus caballus (horses) and equus africanus asinus (donkeys) are different species of the genus equus.
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(05-29-2026, 02:36 AM)ArMaP Wrote: You said "we are the same, obviously, or we couldn’t breed with them", I was pointing that we animals of different species (which means they are not the same) can breed.
In this specific case, both homo neanderthalensis and homo sapiens, according to the classification systems in use, are considered different species of the genus homo, in the same way equus caballus (horses) and equus africanus asinus (donkeys) are different species of the genus equus.
Again
We pass on our dna generationally, it’s in our dna, Neanderthal dna in us, they are human just like, it’s what the thread is about
Horses and donkeys dont pass on their dna generationally, to generational offspring
The classification system for homo Neanderthalis is clearly wrong, Trinkaus even said so
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(05-29-2026, 04:26 AM)Creaky Wrote: The classification system for homo Neanderthalis is clearly wrong, Trinkaus even said so
Well, if there's enough data to prove it then it should be accepted.
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(05-29-2026, 04:26 AM)Creaky Wrote: Again
We pass on our dna generationally, it’s in our dna, Neanderthal dna in us, they are human just like, it’s what the thread is about
Horses and donkeys dont pass on their dna generationally, to generational offspring
The classification system for homo Neanderthalis is clearly wrong, Trinkaus even said so
Who or what is a "Trinkaus" when it's at home?
Edit: Never mind.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erik_Trinkaus
"Yet so it is, we see the illiterate bulk of mankind that walk the high-road of plain common sense, and are governed by the dictates of nature, for the most part easy and undisturbed. To them nothing that is familiar appears unaccountable or difficult to comprehend."
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(05-29-2026, 01:52 AM)Creaky Wrote: Oh, like ring species, you know like Pygmy, not human, not evolved, stupid thing to say.
I guess skins colour, size, hair colour means different species does it.
Ring species, stupid science for stupid people
https://anthropology.washu.edu/people/erik-trinkaus
Trinkaus called Neanderthal human, believe him over any of your statements
Being human has no bearing on being separate species. Any member of the genus Homo is human regardless of what species or subspecies they are. Apparently ignorance really is bliss for you.
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