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Did you know you have Neanderthal DNA?
#31
Being human does not make one a Homo sapiens. All members of the genus Homo are human. 

cormac
Many prefer a reassuring lie over an inconvenient truth!
#32
(05-29-2026, 08:10 PM)Creaky Wrote: Younare not agreeing with academia
you are denying academia
You are telling me you know better than -

https://anthropology.washu.edu/people/erik-trinkaus
Trinkaus called Neanderthal human, I believe him over any of your statements, any faith you put in your religion
The most recognised and respected academic, argue with his academia, he made the statement
Your arrogance is amazing

Seriously, like I care what you think, you’re a nobody arguing with me. I have no skin in this

If it turns out Neanderthal arnt human, i don’t care, it’s nothing to me. 
I don’t look as stupid as Erik Trinkaus, the most respected Neanderthal academic recognised on Earth
Unlike you I don't need to argue with anyone, especially someone like you who is unable to disagree with others without being rude.

Growup and act like an adult...
Retired US Military expatriate living in South Korea
#33
I only had a very small percent of Neanderthal DNA according to my gene app.  I did have genetics from some possible other hominid they just discovered that was in far north cold areas though, some of the Inuit that look white have that in their mixture instead of the Asian looking look of inuits mostly present in their cultures.  Most of the inuit genetics I have is in metabolism differences, and it effects some key things in the body if I do not eat right for my metabolism linked to their lifestyle of eating.

I can't remember the name of that hominid I have genetics from off hand.  The little bit of the neanderthal seems to have come through my mothers side.  My wife has almost two percent neanderthal if I remember right...that would be in the maternal lineage if I evaluated it correctly.

Since I did that research about ten years ago, there have been some changes in evaluation done, they found some new genetic markers that are relevant to the neanderthals....so I have no clue how much we have now in our DNA
#34
(05-29-2026, 08:58 PM)Grim Reaper 6 Wrote: Unlike you I don't need to argue with anyone, especially someone like you who is unable to disagree with others without being rude.

Growup and act like an adult...


Ignore all the evidence and have a grizzle at me, great work 
And again, I have no skin in this, I am reporting what the leading anthropologist in the world is s saying, you argue with that 
I don’t care about your opinion, it’s irrelevant 
Rude, you are taking it too personal, it’s not between you and I, it’s the supposed leading Neanderthal scientist in the world who said Neanderthal were modern human.
#35
(05-28-2026, 06:26 PM)Creaky Wrote: Nah, that’s not true, at best speculation.
DNA is in ours, we are the same, obviously, or we couldn’t breed with them 
Dumb science is dumb science

What?  I guess. Lol.

DNA IS 95% to 100% ours anyway.

We bred with more than just the Neanderthals too.

Dont forget Denisovans. Also a distrint species we could breed with.

And before you think distinct species cant interbreed, I will point you to the "Geep" (Goat/Sheep), They dont even match chromosomes. Goats have 60, sheep have 54, and they still have fertile chimeric offspring..

Humans and Neanderthals both have 46. So a way easier chimera, which is what it is. Easy as a Coyote breeding with a wolf, and they diverged from a common 78 chromosome ancestor 1.5 million years ago.

But really, Youre not going back far enough.
Quote:humans and Neanderthals evolved from the same shared ancestral species. Modern humans (Homo sapiens) and Neanderthals (Homo neanderthalensis) are distinct branches of the human family tree that descended from a common ancestor—most likely an early hominin like Homo heidelbergensis—roughly \(500,000\) to \(800,000\) years ago.

And 100% of the Human and the Neanderthal genome can be traced back through the common ancestor. As can 100% of wolf and coyote DNA can be traced back to a common ancestor..

Admixtures are different then evolutionary divergence.

And once they mix after the fact certain genes are then conserved, like human immunity is helped by preserved  Neanderthal genes. 
Quote:Interbreeding with Neanderthals introduced specific gene variants—notably the TLR1, TLR6, and TLR10 Toll-like receptor families—that serve as our first line of defense against pathogens.

Before we hunted the Grey Wolves the eastern wolves were more genetically distinct. Since 1900 the percentage of shared genome has gone up significantly.

If that provides insight how this happens naturally..
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#36
(05-30-2026, 12:49 AM)IdeomotorPrisoner Wrote: What?  I guess. Lol.

DNA IS 95% to 100% ours anyway.

We bred with more than just the Neanderthals too.

Dont forget Denisovans. Also a distrint species we could breed with.

And before you think distinct species cant interbreed, I will point you to the "Geep" (Goat/Sheep), They dont even match chromosomes. Goats have 60, sheep have 54, and they still have fertile chimeric offspring..

Humans and Neanderthals both have 46. So a way easier chimera, which is what it is. Easy as a Coyote breeding with a wolf, and they diverged from a common 78 chromosome ancestor 1.5 million years ago.

But really, Youre not going back far enough.

And 100% of the Human and the Neanderthal genome can be traced back through the common ancestor. As can 100% of wolf and coyote DNA can be traced back to a common ancestor..

Admixtures are different then evolutionary divergence.

And once they mix after the fact certain genes are then conserved, like human immunity is helped by preserved  Neanderthal genes. 

Before we hunted the Grey Wolves the eastern wolves were more genetically distinct. Since 1900 the percentage of shared genome has gone up significantly.

If that provides insight how this happens naturally..


So, the worlds most recognised andpre eminent scientist studying Neanderthal is stupid and doesn’t know what he is talking about
https://anthropology.washu.edu/people/erik-trinkaus

Trinkaus called Neanderthal human

Anyway, what would I know, so many internet academics who have no degree have told me Erik is stupid
So, for the sake of the argument, Erik is stupid and doesn’t know what he is talking about, i will follow the flock because, why not
#37
(05-30-2026, 12:49 AM)IdeomotorPrisoner Wrote: What?  I guess. Lol.

DNA IS 95% to 100% ours anyway.

We bred with more than just the Neanderthals too.

Dont forget Denisovans. Also a distrint species we could breed with.

And before you think distinct species cant interbreed, I will point you to the "Geep" (Goat/Sheep), They dont even match chromosomes. Goats have 60, sheep have 54, and they still have fertile chimeric offspring..

Humans and Neanderthals both have 46. So a way easier chimera, which is what it is. Easy as a Coyote breeding with a wolf, and they diverged from a common 78 chromosome ancestor 1.5 million years ago.

But really, Youre not going back far enough.

And 100% of the Human and the Neanderthal genome can be traced back through the common ancestor. As can 100% of wolf and coyote DNA can be traced back to a common ancestor..

Admixtures are different then evolutionary divergence.

And once they mix after the fact certain genes are then conserved, like human immunity is helped by preserved  Neanderthal genes. 

Before we hunted the Grey Wolves the eastern wolves were more genetically distinct. Since 1900 the percentage of shared genome has gone up significantly.

If that provides insight how this happens naturally..

Very Good post, thanks very much for sharing. I noticed you mentioned Denisovans, that's very interesting because some humans also have Denisovan DNA. But, like the Neanderthals they are a distinct species and they can not be called human. A while back a hybrid Denisovan / Neanderthal child was discovered in the Denisovan cave in the Altai Mountains of southern Siberia, Russia.

Thanks Again... Thumbup
Retired US Military expatriate living in South Korea
#38
(05-30-2026, 02:19 AM)Creaky Wrote: So, the worlds most recognised andpre eminent scientist studying Neanderthal is stupid and doesn’t know what he is talking about
https://anthropology.washu.edu/people/erik-trinkaus

Trinkaus called Neanderthal human

Anyway, what would I know, so many internet academics who have no degree have told me Erik is stupid
So, for the sake of the argument, Erik is stupid and doesn’t know what he is talking about, i will follow the flock because, why not

He was one of the first to say we interbreed, but is not the be all end all. 
Quote:Where Scientists Agree: The Behavior & Admixture
  • Interbreeding is Fact: For decades, Trinkaus was in the minority arguing that Neanderthals and modern humans mated. Modern paleogenomics proved him entirely right; non-African modern humans carry 1% to 2% Neanderthal DNA. 
  • Cognitive and Social Equality: Trinkaus maintained that Neanderthals were cognitively advanced. Most archeologists now agree, pointing to evidence of Neanderthal cave art, burials, and complex toolmaking.

But they split beyond that.
Quote:Where Scientists Disagree: The Taxonomy & Demographics
  • Distinct Species Taxonomy: Trinkaus argued that Neanderthals and modern humans belong to the same species (Homo sapiens). Most anthropologists still disagree, maintaining the classification of Homo neanderthalensis as a distinct sister species due to pronounced, unique cranial and skeletal differences.
  • Assimilation vs. Replacement: Trinkaus envisioned a massive, systemic absorption of Neanderthal populations into the modern human gene pool. Most geneticists disagree with this "swamping" model. They view the 1-2% DNA as the result of rare, limited, and demographically minor pulses of interbreeding, punctuated by biological barriers like male hybrid infertility.
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He says humans are the oddball adaptation of the same lineage, which makes him the oddball in genetics and anthropology. 

Even if he is Dr. Neanderthal.
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#39
(05-30-2026, 02:34 AM)Grim Reaper 6 Wrote: Very Good post, thanks very much for sharing. I noticed you mentioned Denisovans, that's very interesting because some humans also have Denisovan DNA. But, like the Neanderthals they are a distinct species and they can not be called human. A while back a hybrid Denisovan / Neanderthal child was discovered in the Denisovan cave in the Altai Mountains of southern Siberia, Russia.

Thanks Again... Thumbup

There’s a problem with your above wording Grim, that being that the word human in reference to us, Homo sapiens, is technically incorrect and is usually shown as Anatomically Modern Human (AMH) as the word human itself is in reference to ALL members of the genus Homo. Just because Neanderthals and Denisovans are not AMH does not mean they are not human, they are. 

cormac
Many prefer a reassuring lie over an inconvenient truth!
#40
(05-27-2026, 10:53 PM)Grim Reaper 6 Wrote: The only modern human population that has no Neanderthal DNA are African populations this because Neanderthals did not evolve on the African continent. 

Genetic research indicates that African populations do indeed carry Neanderthal DNA — the result of early modern humans interbreeding with Neanderthals and later migrating back into Africa.



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