DC police leaders face termination amid crime data probe

[govshill2]

So, they are saying that no-one actually lied, but that it is an error of interpretation and ambiguity.

So, no crime has occurred.

And also, my bet is that such ambiguous occurrences are only a tiny part of the dataset, like less than 1%. And a less than a percent of ambiguity in a dataset doesn't poison the whole dataset and doesn't indicate a different measure of overall crime.

But no-one will mention a value of how much of the data is ambiguous because they can't get their agenda if there is a vanishingly small ambiguity.

intentional errors proven 

[BeyondKnowledge]

So, they are saying that no-one actually lied, but that it is an error of interpretation and ambiguity.

So, no crime has occurred.

And also, my bet is that such ambiguous occurrences are only a tiny part of the dataset, like less than 1%. And a less than a percent of ambiguity in a dataset doesn't poison the whole dataset and doesn't indicate a different measure of overall crime.

But no-one will mention a value of how much of the data is ambiguous because they can't get their agenda if there is a vanishingly small ambiguity.

If no crime or actual wrong doing than why are they fired form their jobs. They ether lied or were incompetent. Which was it?

[chr0naut]

Oh FFS!

They fudged the numbers to make progressive, leftist policies loook effective.

If a city appeared to be policing very effectively compared to other cities, how would they get a bigger slice of budget for policing, correctional facilities and the courts?

And what do you know of the FBI's new National Incident-Based Reporting System (NIBRS) and the compliance issues it has caused?

Jesus.

Can't we just be common sense adults for 1 fucking minute?

Take your partisan blinders off.  Stop obfuscating.

Deal in facts.

I am dealing in facts:

Debunking Trump saying crime stats ignore 30% of cities

Trump's allegations most probably have no basis in fact, but because this allegation came from a vacuum of information (DOGE removed many of the offices that verified and compiled the data, and the NIBRS didn't receive data from more than 6,000 law enforcement agencies). Trump can say anything and no-one is there to disagree. This is how he runs his administration.

Trump is a liar and has his own agenda.

He is trying to become dictator first over the US, and then hold the world to ransom by control over fossil fuel, rare-earths, and fertilizer. Why is Iran important when N Korea has nukes and has threatened to use them? Why venezuela, where the first thing he did was go after their oil? Why Greenland...

Every country Trump has attacked or threatened in second term after Iran struck again by ‘America First’ president

What do you think these things portend?

[DBCowboy]

If a city appeared to be policing very effectively compared to other cities, how would they get a bigger slice of budget for policing, correctional facilities and the courts?


I am dealing in facts:

Debunking Trump saying crime stats ignore 30% of cities

Trump's allegations most probably have no basis in fact, but because this allegation came from a vacuum of information (DOGE removed many of the offices that verified and compiled the data). Trump can say anything and no-one is there to disagree. This is how he runs his administration.

Bull.

Then why are people being fired for fudging the numbers?

[chr0naut]

That is absolutely hilarious.

May 1 or May day was originally the celebration of surviving Baltain, the most evil night of the year. It is exactly 6 months off from Halloween which is a distraction form the truth. 

That workers holiday stuff was just made up recently in comparison and the communists took it over to spoil that day for America. 

Your history research does not go back far enough.

It's spelled 'Beltane', and it was to celebrate the beginning of summer, an important seasonal marker festival for an agrarian society of 1,000 years ago in Ireland and Scotland. So, not really "evil" at all. But no doubt, back then, it did have religious overtones as well.

And I was responding to DB's post that was talking about the celebrations in the USA of worker statutory rights, which DB described as being 'communist'.

It is a different thing than the Gaelic/Celtic summer festival.

[chr0naut]

Bull.

Then why are people being fired for fudging the numbers?

Why was Bondi fired? Why was Noem fired? Why was Tillerson fired? Why was Sessions fired? Why was Bolton fired? I mean, they seemed to be strong supporters of Trump, doing their appointed jobs, until they became inconvenient.

Perhaps Trump realized from his TV days that saying "you're fired" made him feel important and powerful?

He does appear awfully untrustworthy, though.

[DBCowboy]

Why was Bondi fired? Why was Noem fired? Why was Tillerson fired? Why was Sessions fired? Why was Bolton fired? I mean, they seemed to be strong supporters of Trump, doing their appointed jobs, until they became inconvenient.

Perhaps Trump realized from his TV days that saying "you're fired" made him feel important and powerful?

He does appear awfully untrustworthy, though.

Obfuscating again.

One day, the truth and facts will come to you.


Apparently, it's not today.

[chr0naut]

intentional errors proven 

Data scientists know that there is always some sort of error in any measurement. And they have lots of tricks to accommodate for it so they don't draw conclusions based upon errors rather than unambiguous data.

A Primer of Data Cleaning in Quantitative Research: Handling Missing Values and Outliers

Just about everyone who has studied statistical methods (even primary school students), is aware of this sort of stuff. The fact that so many people are loudly ignorant about it on public forums, speaks volumes.

[chr0naut]

Obfuscating again.

One day, the truth and facts will come to you.

Apparently, it's not today.

No, the whole outrage is people broadcasting their ignorance of what others consider basic and essential primary school level knowledge.

There will be errors in any measurement. It's not something you can blame people for.

People who do this 'numbers' stuff for a job have multiple methods of determining confidence in the data, and can even remove errors!

[chr0naut]

If no crime or actual wrong doing than why are they fired form their jobs. They ether lied or were incompetent. Which was it?

How does firing someone from their job fix bad data?