Common Beliefs Are Now Indicators of Terrorism

[AnAlternateOpinion]

I read the post about creating threads so here goes even though it's really not my thing.

This probably won’t hit the MSM until tonight or tomorrow but it looks like we’re one step closer to that which shall not be named?

This should scare the crap out of everybody as these new directives are ill-defined and open to such broad interpretation they can more or less make it up as they go. Watch what you say because expressing a non-compliant opinion on any of the below topics could be considered an indicator of violence or the potential thereof even if you don’t mention violence explicitly. So much for free speech, eh?

I donate to organizations like the ACLU, HRC, Indivisible through Act Blue, Civic Engagement Beyond Voting and several others that are sure to be targeted under these sweeping new directives. Donors will probably become suspects. Attend a No Kings rally? Good luck.

The Trump administration isn’t only targeting organizations or groups but even individuals and “entities” whom NSPM-7 says can be identified by any of the following “indicia” (indicators) of violence:

• anti-Americanism,
  
• anti-capitalism,
  
• anti-Christianity,
  
• support for the overthrow of the United States Government,
  
• extremism on migration,
  
• extremism on race,
  
• extremism on gender
  
• hostility towards those who hold traditional American views on family,
  
• hostility towards those who hold traditional American views on religion, and
  
• hostility towards those who hold traditional American views on morality.

Read more on Substack (it’s free, just say no thanks to the subscription prompt)

'Trump’s NSPM-7 Labels Common Beliefs As Terrorism “Indicators”

Trump’s NSPM-7 Alarms Law Firms While Congress Is Silent

I urge you to watch at least the first 4 minutes of this. It breaks down the above for those that don’t want to read"



And another:



What I am wondering after going through all of this is that is specifically directed toward left wing "radicals". Does that mean right wing radicals get a free pass?

[RazorV66]

Good thread.

I really don't want to say you are overreacting but its possible you are.

I mean just going off those bullet points, if a person in this country is all of those things, they ARE an extreme radical.

By all accounts, the church shooter here in Michigan yesterday was a Trump supporter that had some grudge against Mormons.

There are extreme radicals on both sides and both sides need to do better to stop that before there's no turning back.

[Maxmars]

It really alarms me too.

When authoritarian control freaks start crafting check boxes to identify their enemies...

I submit that it's safe to presume two things....

THEY are actually frightened.
and
THEY actually see citizen's dissent as a threat.

(... and they are morons.)

If they get real scared (or caught in subterfuge) they are doomed...
since they ALL start their careers compromised and subjugated...
It concerns me more so when they are frightened.

Now they are making a list....
We'll soon be metrically aligned by those check boxes (and others)...
I wonder what the algorithm will look like?

[RazorV66]

It really alarms me too.

When authoritarian control freaks start crafting check boxes to identify their enemies...

I submit that it's safe to presume two things....

THEY are actually frightened.
and
THEY actually see citizen's dissent as a threat.

(... and they are morons.)

If they get real scared (or caught in subterfuge) they are doomed...
since they ALL start their careers compromised and subjugated...
It concerns me more so when they are frightened.

Now they are making a list....
We'll soon be metrically aligned by those check boxes (and others)...
I wonder what the algorithm will look like?

You think it's normal to be someone that checks the boxes on that list?

They wouldn't be an extremist?

Would you want someone living next door to you or your family that holds those beliefs?

[RichardHurt]

You think it's normal to be someone that checks the boxes on that list?

They wouldn't be an extremist?

Would you want someone living next door to you or your family that holds those beliefs?

A personal opinion.
I would prefer my neighbors have their own perspective on things just the same as my family.
But if living around everyone of the same mind set helps you and yours cope with the uncomfortable reality that not everyone is the same. 
You do you.  

[AnAlternateOpinion]

Don’t call the thought police on me but I have been thinking more about this list of things possibly indicating violence pre-crime and have many questions and concerns and I think everyone should be at least a little bit alarmed. I also think that if some people weren’t “radicalized” before, they might be now after this and all the other hateful rhetoric coming from the right? Let’s examine the list more closely.

Anti-Americanism
WTF eve is this and who decides? Would it be teaching about slavery, Jim Crow or the genocide of indigenous populations? Our military failures in other countries? Speaking out about war or corrupt politicians? Making a protest sign? Attending a peaceful protest?

Anti-Capitalizm
So if leaned toward something like democratic socialism or say for mostly free health care that most other civilized countries have would that count? How about if I advocated for breaking up monopolies or speak badly about any of the recent gifts and free passes given to corporations that suck the appropriate teat or capitulate to fearless leader. How about disliking billionaires?

Anti-Christianity
Umm, what about the 1st Amendment? What about other religions, is it okay to be anti them? You can put me on the list now because fvck this perverted form of Christianity so prevalent with the fundamentalists and nationalists. In fact as an anti-theist that promotes separation of church and state, fvck everyone’s religion

Support for the overthrow of the United States Government
Oh hell no but I would fully support the replacement of the current administration through all legal means available.

Extremism on migration
Again by who’s definition of what is “extreme”. Is saying that all migrants aren’t murderers, rapists and gangbangers too extreme? Is thinking the government should do more to facilitate legal immigration or do we just not want any brown people period? Is suggesting ICE could be a little less heavy handed get me a trip to the gulag?

Extremism on race
Is thinking that some systemic racism might be a thing extreme? Is failing to have sympathy for the poor white folks who don’t like dealing with the blacks and browns extreme? I don’t like NASCAR. That’s pretty extreme on race. Are they going to go after white power Aryan types too?

Extremism on gender
Is my widely known advocacy for trans youth and legitimate evidence based science extreme? Is noting that trans rights have been removed and continue to be crushed extreme? Is saying men are stupid jerks too much? You know he’s not talking about feminism and women’s rights here – it’s all about obsession with the trans.

Hostility towards those who hold traditional American views on family,
Hostility towards those who hold traditional American views on religion, and
Hostility towards those who hold traditional American views on morality

Who decides what “traditional American” is and what counts as hostility? Is being okay with families that have two gay parents gonna get me in trouble. These days, the traditional American family is divorced.

This is such a slippery slope that should concern everyone. I'm having a hard time even recognizing this country anymore and I'll continue to feel that way safe in the knowledge that when I'm rounded up for one of the camps, my friends promise they will write.

[UltraBudgie]

Mentioned a bit in this thread:
https://denyignorance.com/Thread-Trump-a...7#pid83857

The most directly honest response seemed to be "Making nice is no longer an option when the left calls us all Nazi's"




Only clown-shoes can outrun the apocalypse...

[quintessentone]

"Give me the man and I will give you the case against him

Soviet-era saying"

""...first of all they must be arrested and brought before the court, and the [criminal code] articles will be found"

Give me the man and I will give you the case against him - Wikipedia

Stalinist-era tactics.

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"Authoritarian regimes employ a variety of tactics to consolidate power, suppress dissent, and undermine democratic institutions.
Key Tactics Used by Authoritarians

1. Concentration of Power: Authoritarian leaders often seek to extend executive power while weakening checks and balances provided by other government institutions, such as parliaments and judiciaries. This can involve legal maneuvers to abolish term limits or implement regressive constitutional reforms. 
   
   
   
2. Repression of Dissent: Authoritarian regimes frequently suppress dissent through restrictions on public protests, detaining activists, and using excessive force against demonstrators. Laws are often enacted to limit the funding and activities of civil society organizations, effectively silencing opposition. 
   
   
   
3. Manipulation of Information: Authoritarians often spread disinformation and control media narratives to shape public perception and maintain their grip on power. This includes inciting fear and using propaganda to legitimize their actions. 
   
   
   
4. Corruption of Elections: While many authoritarian regimes hold elections, they often corrupt the electoral process by suppressing votes, manipulating results, and ensuring that opposition parties face significant obstacles. This allows them to maintain a facade of legitimacy while undermining true democratic processes. 
   
   
   
5. Targeting Vulnerable Communities: Authoritarian leaders may marginalize vulnerable groups to create divisions within society, turning public sentiment against these groups to consolidate their own power. 
   
   
   
6. Capture of Independent Institutions: Authoritarians often seek to politicize independent institutions such as the judiciary and law enforcement, undermining their ability to act as checks on power. This tactic helps to entrench authoritarian rule by ensuring that these institutions serve the regime's interests. 
   
   
   
7. Use of Violence and Intimidation: Many authoritarian regimes either turn a blind eye to political violence or actively incite it to create an atmosphere of fear and insecurity, which can further suppress dissent and opposition. 
   
   

ConclusionUnderstanding these tactics is crucial for recognizing and countering authoritarianism in various political contexts. By being aware of how these strategies are employed, individuals and societies can better defend democratic values and institutions against authoritarian encroachments."

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@AAO - I absolutely agree that Trump's authoritarian grab at this type of control and power over the people will cause more violence.

[RazorV66]

A personal opinion.
I would prefer my neighbors have their own perspective on things just the same as my family.
But if living around everyone of the same mind set helps you and yours cope with the uncomfortable reality that not everyone is the same. 
You do you.  

Dude don't even try that shit.

I should have known not to respond in this thread because the Leftists don't want to have the tough conversations if it might go against them.

Every question I asked was a legitimate attempt to get an answer on why we should look the other way on extremism. 

Here's a scenario for you.....its the 4th of July and you and your kids are shooting off fireworks and are displaying the American flag and your neighbor is anti-American and he comes out and threatens you.

How are you going to handle that?

[quintessentone]

Dude don't even try that shit.

I should have known not to respond in this thread because the Leftists don't want to have the tough conversations if it might go against them.

Every question I asked was a legitimate attempt to get an answer on why we should look the other way on extremism. 

Here's a scenario for you.....its the 4th of July and you and your kids are shooting off fireworks and are displaying the American flag and your neighbor is anti-American and he comes out and threatens you.

How are you going to handle that?

Why don't you just call the police to handle it?