Charlie Kirk shot at an event in Utah

[DBCowboy]

Just returning the favor.

It's easy to tell how leftists think.

They all think alike.

[chr0naut]

Without going into detail, could you list the politicians that tell you the truth?

Although I don't go over the specific speech of the many thousands of politicians across the world, I am fairly sure that the vast majority of them are in that position for altruistic purposes (they are there for representation of their constituents) and they get really upset if they are are outed for giving incorrect information. Trump, however, seems to just revel in it and double down on his lies when he is challenged.

But this is off topic to the murder of Charlie Kirk, its circumsatnces, and fall-out.

[chr0naut]

You don't have your skinny socialist PM that you had during covid?

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No, she left before her full term as PM was up. I suppose she had decided that since New Zealand had gotten through the pandemic in better shape than most countries, that she had done right by her constituents and had little to add from that point.

Also, I think she had a normal healthy median build for a woman in her mid thirties (but I suppose, in comparison, she is skinny).

[BeyondKnowledge]

Although I don't go over the specific speech of the many thousands of politicians across the world, I am fairly sure that the vast majority of them are in that position for altruistic purposes (they are there for representation of their constituents) and they get really upset if they are are outed for giving incorrect information. Trump, however, seems to just revel in it and double down on his lies when he is challenged.

But this is off topic to the murder of Charlie Kirk, it circumsatnces, and fall-out.

Wow. Altruistic purposes? Really? Possibly 10% start that way. The rest and even most of that 10% eventually are in it for power and then money.  How do you think they get rich beyond their pay scale?

[putnam6]

Since we are at an impasse, how about all the expert analysts on all sides forecasting the next 30/60/90 days


Thats what interests me whats going to happen next.

Feels like the left's lost the moral high ground it used to be so fond of.

[chr0naut]

What were they protesting?
1) Logical Semantics
2) Lexical Semantics
3) Both

Dictionaries = Death!!

[JacKatMtn]

Feels like the left's lost the moral high ground it used to be so fond of.

The left has been trampling on it's  own HIGH GROUND for nearly 20 years....    They have abandoned completely a  strong position they held in the past...  

The good  thing is what  they  cling to now,  has  alienated them from their  own traditional party...

Day by day,  their influence dimishes...

Which means,   USA will win....

Although, I fully expect the  death throes of a failed ideology,  will result in  much more  suffering,   I pray that this  next phase,   ends in months,  rather than the  years we have  already been  dealing  with it...

YMMV

[chr0naut]

Wow. Altruistic purposes? Really? Possibly 10% start that way. The rest and even most of that 10% eventually are in it for power and then money.  How do you think they get rich beyond their pay scale?

At the point where most politicians start out in politics, they are usually very poorly compensated. They usually have to give up well paying jobs and hope that they will actually get elected to the representative positions that they are vying for against numerous, some very well established, opponents. A fair number of them loose their election and don't have enough capital, gumption, or party support to remain flogging a dead horse until the next election cycle.

Just like the guys who end up at the top of corporate ladders, compensation is usually more than the amount of work that they put in to getting there. That is part of how capitalism operates. It offers advantages to those who can 'take' more profits. Unfortunately the same extends to political systems, which are the ultimate corporates within geographic boundaries.

Unlike all other US Presidents, who are supposed to divest themselves of their business interests while serving (to prevent conflicts of interest in serving the nation above all), Trump remained in control of his companies, launched new business arms and promoted them, even integrating them into his Presidential operations.

Trump's business ventures spark new conflict-of-interest concerns

And after his first term, he was straight back in there, and even now he is probably managing director of Trump businesses in his second term.

Donald Trump’s Business Empire Keeps Expanding

If you want to know who is a crooked, self-interested politician, there's one big indicator!

Also, bringing it back to the topic somewhat, Turning Point USA is an $85 million dollar company (tax exempt non-profit?) that paid Charlie Kirk, its executive director, $325,000 per year. Where did that money come from? Students?

Money and misinformation: how Turning Point USA became a formidable pro-Trump force"

At This Trump-Favored Charity, Financial Reporting Is Questionable and Insiders Are Cashing In

[Bush Master]

Antifa is a decentralized group of activists, most of whom are non-violent and some of whom are violent, who have one thing in common: Anti-fascism. Far from being just a moniker, it's the thing that unites the group. Of course there are some that identify as anti-fascist and are practically not that, but that's true of any group.

[putnam6]

The left has been trampling on it's  own HIGH GROUND for nearly 20 years....    They have abandoned completely a  strong position they held in the past...  

The good  thing is what  they  cling to now,  has  alienated them from their  own traditional party...

Day by day,  their influence dimishes...

Which means,   USA will win....

Although, I fully expect the  death throes of a failed ideology,  will result in  much more  suffering,   I pray that this  next phase,   ends in months,  rather than the  years we have  already been  dealing  with it...

YMMV

I can't argue against your point, but I was going even further back, like the 60s and 70s, we lived as blue-collar Democrats till the Reagan revolution, and even then voted for Clinton and Obama's first terms. 

Right now, the Democratic Party is pretty much like James McAvoy in the movie Split