Charlie Kirk shot at an event in Utah

[Bush Master]

No handcuffs?

No law enforcement experience?




"Strike Force"   ....for nothing?

If that makes you feel special.

[quintessentone]

So that's like if someone made the logical observation that, if we allow people to have cars, there will be more car deaths....as an excuse to run them down.

#liberallogic

There is no logic in both scenarios, the logical thing to do would be to deal with the root of the problem not to just let the problem continue.

[PorkChop96]

There is no logic in both scenarios, the logical thing to do would be to deal with the root of the problem not to just let the problem continue.

Please, go on and tell us how the guns are the problem? 

[Ignorant]

So that's like if someone made the logical observation that, if we allow people to have cars, there will be more car deaths....as an excuse to run them down.

#liberallogic

The post you quoted doesn't say that Kirk's statements about gun control are reason to murder him, or even suggests it. You are, ironically, making a fallacious logical leap just so you can attack liberals for their poor logic.

[Ignorant]

Please, go on and tell us how the guns are the problem? 

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I'm not saying guns are "the problem" but yours is a terrible argument. Try painting this sort of map across the entire world. You'll see gun violence is a much bigger problem in places where guns are legal. It's not close at all.

[quintessentone]

Please, go on and tell us how the guns are the problem? 

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We all need to learn how to do honest comparisons, especially you.

"Political/ideological signals
Across cases, most shooters leave no clear political affiliation. Among those who do, incidents tied to Islamist extremism (e.g., Orlando 2016, San Bernardino 2015) and far-right or white-supremacist ideologies (e.g., El Paso 2019, Buffalo 2022) are prominent. Academic and monitoring groups analyzing ideologically motivated killings (a narrower slice than all mass public shootings) have, in some years, found right-wing extremism dominating extremist-linked deaths; however, this is not the same as saying most mass public shootings overall are ideologically motivated or right-wing. Distinguishing “mass public shooting” from “extremist-related mass killing” and from “active shooter” is crucial for honest comparisons. (Axios, ABC News)"

New Data Reveals Race, Gender, Political Affiliations of Mass Murderers Since 1998

[PorkChop96]

I'm not saying guns are "the problem" but yours is a terrible argument. Try painting this sort of map across the entire world. You'll see gun violence is a much bigger problem in places where guns are legal. It's not close at all.

The rest of the world is not my problem, I try to focus on the country I live in. Unlike a lot here


Do you not quite understand the map? Guns are legal in all of the red areas, but somehow, in the blue areas they are the biggest problem. When most of the blue areas have the strictest gun laws. 

Why would gun violence not be the bigger probelm in the area that has the most guns?

[PorkChop96]

We all need to learn how to do honest comparisons, especially you.

"Political/ideological signals
Across cases, most shooters leave no clear political affiliation. Among those who do, incidents tied to Islamist extremism (e.g., Orlando 2016, San Bernardino 2015) and far-right or white-supremacist ideologies (e.g., El Paso 2019, Buffalo 2022) are prominent. Academic and monitoring groups analyzing ideologically motivated killings (a narrower slice than all mass public shootings) have, in some years, found right-wing extremism dominating extremist-linked deaths; however, this is not the same as saying most mass public shootings overall are ideologically motivated or right-wing. Distinguishing “mass public shooting” from “extremist-related mass killing” and from “active shooter” is crucial for honest comparisons. (Axios, ABC News)"

New Data Reveals Race, Gender, Political Affiliations of Mass Murderers Since 1998

Where in my reply did I make anything political?  Seems you want it to be political...

I simply posted a map showing facts that just so happened to be red and blue. If you pay really close attention, there are areas on that map that are blue but are under Republican control.....  you might want to stop letting your bias get the best of you

[quintessentone]

Where in my reply did I make anything political?  Seems you want it to be political...

I simply posted a map showing facts that just so happened to be red and blue. If you pay really close attention, there are areas on that map that are blue but are under Republican control.....  you might want to stop letting your bias get the best of you

I happen to think this shooting was politically motivated, extremist motivated, and that's where my replies hail from.

You want to ignore the truth that right wing extremists account for more shootings and mass shootings, so you want to deflect. That's fine, but don't just put nonsense out there without any context, it does not serve any of us in finding out the truth of what the real underlying problems are.

[Ignorant]

The rest of the world is not my problem, I try to focus on the country I live in. Unlike a lot here


Do you not quite understand the map? Guns are legal in all of the red areas, but somehow, in the blue areas they are the biggest problem. When most of the blue areas have the strictest gun laws. 

Why would gun violence not be the bigger probelm in the area that has the most guns?

Because it's less densely populated. Duh.