Charlie Kirk shot at an event in Utah

[IAMTAT]

Guess  you missed the part about Stephen King apologizing yesterday for having repeated that bunk about Kirk wanting to stone to death gay people ...  

You are pushing a false narrative.

"I apologize for saying Charlie Kirk advocated stoning gays. What he actually demonstrated was how some people cherry-pick Biblical passages." -Stephen King

"I have apologized. Charlie Kirk never advocated stoning gays to death. This is what I get for reading something on Twitter w/o fact-checking. Won't happen again." -Stephen King

https://www.newsweek.com/stephen-king-ch...gy-2128875

[DontTreadOnMe]

Because some of his words were peddling hate, racism, misogyny etc. that is why.

Got any sources for that claim?



edited to explain:
Sources so context can be achieved.

[KKLoco]

Proven! TMZ employees were in fact cheering at the announcement of Kirk's death. TMZ should think twice about doing live streams.

[IdeomotorPrisoner]

Because free speech.

A private company firing someone is not government violating free speech.
The U.S. Government doing it is.

And so the erosion of freedom continues.

I would love to agree with this, but DoD employees (especially ANY service oath) are held to defending the constitution and much higher decorum standards. Not their families, but the person who took the oath or is employed by oath.

Believe it or not Hegseth can legally do this to DoD only.

Why it is a fireable offense

Federal employees, including those in the DOD, are held to a higher standard of conduct than private citizens.

• Conduct unbecoming: Mocking violence, especially political violence, is considered "conduct unbecoming" a federal employee. It reflects poorly on the individual and on the agency they represent, damaging public trust.
  
• Disruptive speech: The courts apply a balancing test to determine if a public employee's speech is protected. This test weighs the employee's First Amendment rights against the employer's interest in maintaining an efficient, effective, and undisrupted workplace. Mocking a murder is considered highly disruptive and offensive, and it can incite additional discord, both internally and externally.
  
• Violates agency values: DOD leaders have explicitly stated that there is "zero tolerance" for behavior that mocks or celebrates the assassination of any American. Such actions are described as unacceptable and contrary to the core values of the department.
  
• Inconsistent with military justice: While civilian employees are not subject to the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ), their conduct is held to a high ethical standard. For military personnel, similar actions would fall under "Conduct Unbecoming an Officer and a Gentleman" (Article 133), which serves as a benchmark for the level of professionalism expected within the wider DOD.
  

But I understand why there are people who are happy. He was that polarizing to listen to. 

Especially the little man misogynist shit he'd spout.

Like trolling women (Like Taylor Swift) to be subservient to their husbands, or listen to the dominant men in their lives. The trollish and intolerant opinions he shared makes many not shed a solitary tear and even be happy at what happened to him. 

Because what he said triggered people that much, and he absolutely desired to troll and trigger snowflakes to melt.

That's no different than me saying things like: 

"Oh, so very sorry, religious parents, but you're backwards bigots that cause harm to society, and you need to learn that your children are not yours to warp anymore! You don't deserve them. Thusly, I feel ANY state has EVERY right to not only remove that child from your home, but see it to it that they get any and all medical and psychological support they need in spite of your views or religious affiliation. Too bad, so sad. : P"  

*or* 

"You dont deserve high powered guns. You should only be permitted arms made before 1897. And even that is pushing it." 

*or* 

"I am proud to have convinced several women in my life to turn against the men in theirs.  I enjoy doing my part to lower population numbers via reducing instances of heterosexual breeding, and especially helping women everywhere realize the worthlessness of men and especially procreation with them." 

That's basically the inverse of his rhetoric, and if i was a popular commentator that made my name trolling with Lavender Feminism, I am sure there would be many that couldn't help but applaud my death too.

I mean, if I did my version of Charlie Kirk here, every one of my posts would be removed for baiting and political trolling and I'd be post banned.

[RazorV66]

Because free speech.

A private company firing someone is not government violating free speech.
The U.S. Government doing it is.

And so the erosion of freedom continues.

Perfectly fine with this.

Rabid clowns celebrating the death of someone because of that person's words is free speech?

What about Charlie Kirk's right to free speech?

Only morally bankrupt people would celebrate the death of someone because of his words, which was Kirk's right to free speech.

Thats the problem with Liberals, they don't understand actions mean consequences. 

You can't have it both ways.

[cherokeetroy]

Because free speech.

A private company firing someone is not government violating free speech.
The U.S. Government doing it is.

And so the erosion of freedom continues.

The issue with censoring speech is it's a bandaid remedy for a deeper problem 

Censoring speech doesn't destroy the sentiment and the people who harbor those sentiments will find another outlet like violent video games and Discord

[AnAlternateOpinion]

If you falsely yell fire in a crowded theater and then get trampled to death by people trying to get out, who is to blame?

Kirk was an agitator and an instigator who held horrible beliefs and said terrible and hateful things but he didn't deserve to die for it.

[putnam6]

I would love to agree with this, but DoD employees (especially ANY service oath) are held to defending the constitution and much higher decorum standards. Not their families, but the person who took the oath.

Believe it or not Hegseth can legally do this to DoD only.

But I understand why there are people who are happy. He was that polarizing to listen to. 

Especially the little man misogynist shit he'd spout.

Like trolling women (Like Taylor Swift) to be subservient to their husbands, or listen to the dominant men, that opinion makes many not shed a solitary tear and even be happy at what happened to him. 

Because what he said triggered people that much, and he absolutely desired to troll and trigger snowflakes to melt.

That's no different than me saying things like: 

"Oh, sorry religious parents, your backwards bigots that cause harm to society, and you need to learn that your children are not yours to warp anymore. I feel the state has every right to not only remove that child from your home, but see it to it that they get all medical and psychological support they need in spite of and regardless of your religious affiliation."

"You dont deserve high powered guns. You should only be permitted arms made before 1897." 

"I am proud to have confinced several women in my life to turn against the men in their lives.  I enjoy doing my part to lower population numbers via breeding, and helping women everywhere realize the worthlessness of men or procreation with them." 

That's basically the inverse of rhetoric, and if i was a popular commentator that made my name trolling with heavy Lavender Feminism I am sure there would be many that couldnt help but applaud my death too.

Well, that makes it all better and justifiable... FFS

Read a random comment elsewhere that struck a chord ...with me atleast

essentially 

The left swung and missed on Trump so many times over the last 8 years, their collective fragile psyche couldn't cope, and they needed a sacrifice to quell their raging disappointment.

So the fragile extreme left got your vengeance... by killing a nonviolent innocent man, can't stop OMB, so let's project our angst. anxiety, paranoia, fear, and hate on the one guy thats trying to have a civil discussion.

And FWIW, no, you can't be a bizarro world Charlie Kirk. The dynamics are all in your favor 

You wouldn't have MSM opposing you #1; they would be your allies.

#2 Your views would be welcomed with open arms on most campuses except for a few dozen or so. 

Now, even those universities might still let you speak, and you would have some oppositional anger, but it wouldn't be at the level and volume Charlie dealt with every time he sat thier alone just talking to large swathes that hated him, his beliefs, his family, and his faith, and anybody who respected what he was trying to accomplish 

The vast majority of the opposition would roll thier eyes and get on with thier day. 
All the while, not feeling humiliated and needing to strike out emotionally because their faith and belief system is built on who they are, their character, and self-control is solid enough that their foundational faith isn't shattered by opposing viewpoints or words

[RazorV66]

I would love to agree with this, but DoD employees (especially ANY service oath) are held to defending the constitution and much higher decorum standards. Not their families, but the person who took the oath or is employed by oath.

Believe it or not Hegseth can legally do this to DoD only.

But I understand why there are people who are happy. He was that polarizing to listen to. 

Especially the little man misogynist shit he'd spout.

Like trolling women (Like Taylor Swift) to be subservient to their husbands, or listen to the dominant men in their lives. The trollish and intolerant opinions he shared makes many not shed a solitary tear and even be happy at what happened to him. 

Because what he said triggered people that much, and he absolutely desired to troll and trigger snowflakes to melt.

That's no different than me saying things like: 

"Oh, so very sorry, religious parents, but you're backwards bigots that cause harm to society, and you need to learn that your children are not yours to warp anymore! You don't deserve them. Thusly, I feel ANY state has EVERY right to not only remove that child from your home, but see it to it that they get any and all medical and psychological support they need in spite of your views or religious affiliation. Too bad, so sad. : P"  

*or* 

"You dont deserve high powered guns. You should only be permitted arms made before 1897. And even that is pushing it." 

*or* 

"I am proud to have confinced several women in my life to turn against the men in theirs.  I enjoy doing my part to lower population numbers via reducing instances of heterosexual breeding, and especially helping women everywhere realize the worthlessness of men and especially procreation with them." 

That's basically the inverse of his rhetoric, and if i was a popular commentator that made my name trolling with Lavender Feminism, I am sure there would be many that couldn't help but applaud my death too.

I mean, if I did my inverse of version of Charlie Kirk here, every one of my posts would be removed for baiting and political trolling and I'd be post banned.

Why do you think you are going to convince us that it's ok to celebrate someone's murder because they don't like that person's words with these far reaching, almost nonsensical attempts to do so?

Attempting to justify it means you are fine with it and that also means you are part of the problem. 

You might as well admit it that you celebrated it too.

[Bootless]

His actual ideology and beliefs are kind of out the window once he decided to strike someone down who he didn't know, and was unarmed. It's the more violent equivalent to punching someone while they're not even looking.

I think the killer did know him, at least he debated with him according to a video previously posted in this thread. The one where he had the bull horn.

I think the Utah state law is that university students with concealed carry permits are allowed to carry. Kirk may have been armed himself. But yeah, not much that a 9mm or 40 S&W from a compact pistol is going to do against a 30-06 at 200 yards. It only works in movies when it's in the script.