Catholic Exorcist- 6 Most Dangerous Things Spiritually

[andy06shake]

It is my experience that you don't see the demons, because they are pure spirit. 
Pure spirits aren't seen.   
You see the affects of the demon on the temporal and the spirit.   
You go by the 'symptoms' of what is happening to know it's demons.
Although they can get into the dreamscape and you 'see' them there.
But that's not what they 'look like', it's just what the mind constructs.
In reality they dont look like anything.

That's my experience but others may have experienced something else.

Makes a modicum of sense. 

Possibly worth considering that they could look like anything they please.

Cheers. 

[Astyanax]

They are real.

Oo, scary!

Go on, then, spill the beans. Give us the gruesome details!

[Astyanax]

I believe it because I have seen them and more.

I take you at your word, ma’am (it is ma’am, isn’t it?)

I can certainly accept that you genuinely believe what you see is real, no matter how far-fetched it seems to the rest of us.

My question for you, though, is: are you willing to take others at their word as I take you?

For example, another poster in this thread, FlyersFan, says she believes in demons too. But her devils are invisible...
 

FlyersFan: It is my experience that you don't see the demons, because they are pure spirit. Pure spirits aren't seen.   

Is there some way in which you can both be right? Do different people perceive demons (as I said, I prefer the good Christian word ‘devils’) in different ways? If so, that must mean the individual’s personality is also involved – in other words, the devils are at least partly manifested within us. They are not creatures that exist independent of the minds that perceive them, the way material objects are 'objectively' real because we all agree on how they appear to our senses. These visions are, in some sense, creatures of the mind. Your mind.

I know you disagree with me; you believe ‘demons’ are real entities with existences of their own. So does FlyersFan, even though she cannot see them but only their ‘manifestations’, whatever that means. Your demons are different, it seems, from hers. Is it because your demons are pagan and hers are Catholic?  

Then, looking beyond the two of you, are you equally willing to take others who claim to see strange things at their word also? What about the folk who see little green (or grey) men landing in flying saucers, or abducting American citizens and probing their tender parts? There used to be a woman on the old ATS named ForestLady, who lived up in the mountains somewhere with a cat and a dog and a beautiful Angora rabbit; she held conversations in her garage with aliens from different star systems every day, and reported back to us on the old site. There was absolutely nothing BS about her, she truly believed everything she was telling us.

Would you believe in her aliens, as she very plainly did?

What about Nessie, what about Bigfoot, what about the money-grubbing prophets and preachers who predict Armageddon every other weekend to swell their tithes? Do you believe in all of them, too?

Because, dear Sirius, if you expect anyone to accept your testimony without proof, then you in turn must believe every strange claim made about anything by anyone. Fair’s fair, don’t you agree?

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Repeating myself to be clear, I take you at your word. I don’t believe you’re lying, though there’s a possibility you may be. But you are not the only person whose testimony I so accept. I believed ForestLady was telling the truth (as she perceived it) about her alien encounters. I am sure FlyersFan is convinced that she has encountered demons, even though she never saw them. In her case, she believes because demons are part of her belief system, not because she sees them standing at the foot of her bed.

One of my friends has been persecuted for almost twenty years by people he passes on the street. Passers-by seem to be talking on their phones but when he gets close enough to hear them, they're not talking to someone at the other end of the line but mouthing a stream of insults at him. If he’s in a restuarant or pub the people round him are always discussing him, and always in the most derisive terms. Old ladies shove him into plate-glass shop windows as they totter past. The African students who share a house next door to him are in a conspiracy with the college they attend to drive him mad by beaming mind-altering rays through his walls, and toss pebbles on to his roof at night to keep him from sleeping. His political representative, who is also in collaboration with the college, has instructed the local garbage collectors, postal employees, etc, to harass him, so he finds his mail in the trash and filth in his mailbox, or so he tells me.

I believe these things do happen to him. What I do not believe is that his experiences are objectively real.

Another friend, whom I have known since she was a child, has a ‘spirit guide’ she calls Friday. I don’t know whether he is visually present to her but he certainly is in other ways. Friday is basically what you or FlyersFan would call a demon, but he can be, or so my friend tells me, very useful at times. She has learnt the secret of persuading him to help her in all sorts of ways. Unlike my other friend, however, this one is well aware that she is schizophrenic and that her world is filled with hallucinations and delusions. She calmly insists that they are just as real to her as the ‘real’ world. She is a successful online entrepreneur and makes a lot of money but – though very attractive, well turned-out and excellent company when she’s not having one of her ‘episodes’ – she cannot maintain a lasting romantic or sexual relationship; her amours are strictly of the short-term variety. And she is in her early forties now, facing a lonely old age as well as the prospect of madness.

I have seen and heard strange things myself. Once, alone in hospital recovering from surgery under total anaesthesia, I had visits from friends who later told me they had never visited, and answered phone calls no-one had made. Another time, many years earlier, I watched a clump of trumpet-flowers shapeshift into a series of impish and demonic faces as the first rays of the rising sun fell upon it. The sight was grotesque but fascinating. As a child, I often heard voices while falling asleep...

Did I and do I take these strange visions and voices as real? No, I don’t. I realise that they were drug-induced or hypnagogic hallucinations (I didn’t know that term as a child, but I knew the voices weren’t real). I understood, and understand, that any relevance to my life these hallucinations seemed to possess was due to the fact that I was making them up myself. And it is in that sense, I fear, that I must take you at your word. It’s folk wisdom that those afflicted with madness always insist upon their sanity and the reality of their delusions. It’s folk wisdom because it is true.

Delusion is not the same as superstition. There is a great difference between those on this thread who believe what they have seen and those who see what they believe. I have dealt with both kinds in this post.

[OneStepBack]

I read Dr. Richard Gallagher's book recently. For those that don't know he is a board certified psychiatrist in the US.  He is also Roman Catholic.  He did not believe in demons initially but ended up being the Vatican's go-to psychiatrist to rule out mental illness of potential possession cases. I read the book over a couple of days. He is very pragmatic in his book and easy to read.

His experience with a patient called Julia was was quite scary. The night before he was going to see her for the first time his two normally placid  cats turned on each other in a big way and had to be separated.  The following morning when he saw her for assessment she asked him how his two cats were doing! I won't give anything else away in case someone wants to read his book.

He has  been interviewed in  numerous YouTube videos, mainly religious.

[Sirius]

My question for you, though, is: are you willing to take others at their word as I take you?

For example, another poster in this thread, FlyersFan, says she believes in demons too. But her devils are invisible...
 

Is there some way in which you can both be right? Do different people perceive demons (as I said, I prefer the good Christian word ‘devils’) in different ways? If so, that must mean the individual’s personality is also involved – in other words, the devils are at least partly manifested within us. They are not creatures that exist independent of the minds that perceive them, the way material objects are 'objectively' real because we all agree on how they appear to our senses. These visions are, in some sense, creatures of the mind. Your mind.

Because, dear Sirius, if you expect anyone to accept your testimony without proof, then you in turn must believe every strange claim made about anything by anyone. Fair’s fair, don’t you agree?

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 In her case, she believes because demons are part of her belief system, not because she sees them standing at the foot of her bed.


I believe these things do happen to him. What I do not believe is that his experiences are objectively real.


Delusion is not the same as superstition. There is a great difference between those on this thread who believe what they have seen and those who see what they believe. I have dealt with both kinds in this post.

You are not connecting the dots between me and flyersfan. I see what's standing at the foot of the bed, I see what is standing it the foot of her bed when she senses it's there. I expect that you do not to believe me. 

Here is something to ponder: "If miracles were undeniable, free will would be destroyed. "

The function of miracles is to illustrate the presence of the Creator and to provide a tangible foundation for belief. At the same time, there must never be compulsion to believe.

If miracles were undeniable, free will would be destroyed. For this reason, whenever a miracle occurs, God ensures that there is always a possible natural explanation. This explanation may be far-fetched, even absurd, but it remains an option for those who wish to deny. Those who truly seek to strengthen faith will see the miracle for what it is — divine providence revealed.

https://ennewsite.hidabroot.org/article/5181


"Is there some way in which you can both be right? "

Being different never bodes well for people, but you may just have to accept there are people that can see and know things you don't or can't. And the above quotes is there if you feel you need salvation.

Of course some form of deniability is required, but you still don't get a free pass. I'm going to quote Rudolf Steiner here just becasue today is that day

The occult observer is able to see a continual streaming from outside into the brain, and also in the reverse direction, from the brain to the heart. Now these streams, which in sleeping man come from outside, from cosmic space, from the Macrocosm, and flow into the inner constitution of the physical body and etheric bodies lying in the bed, reveal something remarkable when they are investigated. These rays vary greatly in different individuals. Sleeping human beings differ very drastically from one another, and if those who are a little vain only knew how badly they betray themselves to occult observation when they go to sleep during public gatherings, they would try their level best not to let this happen!

 https://rsarchive.org/Lectures/EthBld_index.html

Right so we could go all mystical and tulpas and jive with energy and we can debate over etheric presence vs telepathic visions. People having nightmares is terrible to behold. Little demons flying in and out of the chest while the person moans in anguish. I'm saying demons for gravitas, hooks of light shooting in and out sometimes breaking free and flying back in is another description. but probably demons

Don't forget about the physical effects of poltergeist activity

[Waterglass]

Would you believe in her aliens, as she very plainly did?

Yes, I would possibly believe her as I witnessed my 1st UFOs back on May 4, 2018.  My last UFO sighting was in September 2025. 

I also suffered from Sleep Paralysis since age 7. My episodes included the 7' faceless and handless hooded entity that I perceived as pure evil.  Many others [millions] among all cultures and religions have also encountered this thing. Dr. Sheila Pryce Brooks; York University, London, UK  said that ts "The Guardian of the Threshold" .  I was able to stop my Sleep Paralysis. My last episode was on January 31, 2022. 

The Dali Lama follws her on X. 

Science is now looking at a Spiritual connection between UFO's and the Paranormal.  One guy whos way down that road is Dr. Rey Hernandez, Rice University, Houston, Texas. He along with dozens of other professionals also believe in the same.

Look him up. Look her up

[Waterglass]

Catholic Exorcist - Monsignor Stephen Rossetti - tells the six most dangerous things people do that lead to demonic problems - possession, obsession, oppression.   He is an officially authorized exorcist in the Catholic church and has an online blog you can read as well as online pray alongs that he holds each month (free of charge of course).

And yes, demons are real.  Had an encounter with a few five years ago.  I was an idiot and went with the neighbor to a medium 'for fun'.   Somethings followed me home from there and it took 6 months to get rid of them, and included getting the Catholic church involved.  That's all I'll say about that.   I was told not to discuss it because to do so at length gives 'them' attention and invites them back in.

BEWARE .... 

I have met one Exorcist in person. Father Robert Morey, Catholic Diocese of Charleston. He was at my home to Bless it in the summer of 2021.  I told him about my Sleep Paralysis. He interpreted that as I have been under a Spiritual Attack since age 7. He told me what to do to be under the Spiritual protection of the Catholic Church.  I have followed his directives and I now attend church after several decades of absense. My SP stopped. The last episode was on January 31, 2022. I documented most of what was ongoing on a Paranormal Thread as authored by SLED735 on ATS. SLED735  has since passed.  She helped me. 

Another priest and Exorcist is Father Vincent Lampert of the Catholic Diocese of Indianapolis. I read his book.  I met a woman in my neighborhood who knows him personally. Just an FYI for Reference Material 

Exorcism: The Battle Against Satan and His Demons

https://www.amazon.com/Exorcism-Battle-A...1645850617

Also; a book that Father Morey told me to buy and study it:

Manual for Spiritual Warfare by Paul Thigpen

https://www.amazon.com/Manual-Spiritual-...950&sr=8-1

[Astyanax]

Here is something to ponder: "If miracles were undeniable, free will would be destroyed."

I’m not sure why you regard this as a telling argument. You would need to employ a great deal of casuistry to explain why you think proof of divine intervention in the natural order would disprove the existence of free will. It is usually those who insist upon the veridicality of miracles who most fiercely partisan free will.

In fact, free will is a highly debatable quality which is not required to explain anything other than the feeling we have within ourselves of acting freely, a feeling that – seeing how little control any of us has over themselves – appears to be a complete illusion.

I know that belief in free will is Roman Catholic doctrine but that is certainly not the case with all denominations of Christianity – Calvinism, for example, is quite deterministic. And beyond the ambit of religious belief, neither science nor philosophy indicate that free will exists; quite the contrary.
 

you may just have to accept there are people that can see and know things you don't or can't.

Of course I accept that; it’s a truism. But you’re missing my point, which is that you and FlyersFan are seeing (or not seeing) different things and claiming, without a shred of proof, that they are one and the same. How does either of you know that? Answer: you don’t. How do you expect to convince us, then? Answer: you can’t. Get together and work out a coherent story, the two of you, then get back to us.

But remember, you’re the one who’s arguing about it, not I. I’ve already explained that I believe you believe what you say. Obviously I don’t believe it’s factually true; my own experience indicates strongly to me that it is not. That’s my opinion, based on what I have seen and learnt through a long and studious life, and I have as much right to it as you have to yours. Why are you so keen to prove to me that I am wrong?

[Sirius]

I’m not sure why you regard this as a telling argument. You would need to employ a great deal of casuistry to explain why you think proof of divine intervention in the natural order would disprove the existence of free will. It is usually those who insist upon the veridicality of miracles who most fiercely partisan free will.

In fact, free will is a highly debatable quality which is not required to explain anything other than the feeling we have within ourselves of acting freely, a feeling that – seeing how little control any of us has over themselves – appears to be a complete illusion.

I know that belief in free will is Roman Catholic doctrine but that is certainly not the case with all denominations of Christianity – Calvinism, for example, is quite deterministic. And beyond the ambit of religious belief, neither science nor philosophy indicate that free will exists; quite the contrary.
 

Of course I accept that; it’s a truism. But you’re missing my point, which is that you and FlyersFan are seeing (or not seeing) different things and claiming, without a shred of proof, that they are one and the same. How does either of you know that? Answer: you don’t. How do you expect to convince us, then? Answer: you can’t. Get together and work out a coherent story, the two of you, then get back to us.

But remember, you’re the one who’s arguing about it, not I. I’ve already explained that I believe you believe what you say. Obviously I don’t believe it’s factually true; my own experience indicates strongly to me that it is not. That’s my opinion, based on what I have seen and learnt through a long and studious life, and I have as much right to it as you have to yours. Why are you so keen to prove to me that I am wrong?

wow your just full of it aren't you, hilarious.. why are you so keen to prove me wrong. gosh, this is so dumb. when you get over your narcissism read what i posted again

[UltraBudgie]

And beyond the ambit of religious belief, neither science nor philosophy indicate

This is the crux of y'all's disagreement. You have it backwards: religious belief, specifically as it addresses perception of supernatural reality, is beyond the ambit of science. You are looking for the definitiveness of empirical materialism, where two things that are objectively observed to be equal to the same thing are equal to each other. That is not the case with the supernatural. Else it wouldn't be supernatural. Capiche?