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Catholic Exorcist- 6 Most Dangerous Things Spiritually
#51
(12-11-2025, 07:54 AM)FlyersFan Wrote: Christianity, Judaism and Islam didn't invent demons.  (or Jinn).
They just educated people on what was always there and that they didn't understand.

The problem being the claim kind of mixes folklore with theology.

Plenty of ancient cultures had spirits.

The Abrahamic religions didn't simply "educate people about what was already there."

They redefined the beings with an agenda in mind.

They took old ideas and transformed them into moral narratives about good, evil, and divine order.

They did not just reveal what "was always there" but created new meanings to suit their own religious views.

And that's simply what happens when one religious ideology supplants another.
"Yet so it is, we see the illiterate bulk of mankind that walk the high-road of plain common sense, and are governed by the dictates of nature, for the most part easy and undisturbed. To them nothing that is familiar appears unaccountable or difficult to comprehend."
#52
(12-11-2025, 08:07 AM)andy06shake Wrote: They did not just reveal what "was always there" but created new meanings to suit their own religious views.

OR ... they knew something that the people didn't understand before and they educated them.
Could be either one.
But in the end, the demons exist.
They are pure spirit and they hate.
#53
(12-11-2025, 10:18 AM)FlyersFan Wrote: OR ... they knew something that the people didn't understand before and they educated them.
Could be either one.
But in the end, the demons exist.
They are pure spirit and they hate.

I do not discount the possibility.

I would suggest however, back then the likes of the Holly Roman Church of St Peter were not exactly known for educating many outside the priest cast.

Hence, the reason the Bible was written in the likes of Latin. 

Where do you imagine the hate comes from?

Did we do anything to warrant such?
"Yet so it is, we see the illiterate bulk of mankind that walk the high-road of plain common sense, and are governed by the dictates of nature, for the most part easy and undisturbed. To them nothing that is familiar appears unaccountable or difficult to comprehend."
#54
(12-11-2025, 10:25 AM)andy06shake Wrote: Where do you imagine the hate comes from?

I've No clue.   (the church gives explanation but everyone knows that story of fallen angels rebelling)
All I know ... from my experience ... they are pure spirit and they hate.
#55
(12-11-2025, 10:43 AM)FlyersFan Wrote: I've No clue.   (the church gives explanation but everyone knows that story of fallen angels rebelling)
All I know ... from my experience ... they are pure spirit and they hate.

The church account would seem to equate to pride, envy, and rejection of God's plan being responsible for said hatred.  

As to them being pure spirit, their offspring seem be considered material by nature.

Nephilim are generally described as "giants" or "mighty ones."
"Yet so it is, we see the illiterate bulk of mankind that walk the high-road of plain common sense, and are governed by the dictates of nature, for the most part easy and undisturbed. To them nothing that is familiar appears unaccountable or difficult to comprehend."
#56
(12-11-2025, 10:59 AM)andy06shake Wrote: As to them being pure spirit, their offspring seem be considered material by nature.

Nephilim are generally described as "giants" or "mighty ones."

Pure spirits are created, not born.
They have no reproductive abilities.
(Let alone cross species reproduction).
If the legendary Nephilim actually existed,
which I doubt, they most likely would have
been offspring of space aliens who are 
flesh and blood ... not pure spirit demons.  IMHO
#57
(12-11-2025, 11:48 AM)FlyersFan Wrote: Pure spirits are created, not born.
They have no reproductive abilities.
(Let alone cross species reproduction).
If the legendary Nephilim actually existed,
which I doubt, they most likely would have
been offspring of space aliens who are 
flesh and blood ... not pure spirit demons.  IMHO

I would have thought the term impure/unclean would be more appropriate.
"Yet so it is, we see the illiterate bulk of mankind that walk the high-road of plain common sense, and are governed by the dictates of nature, for the most part easy and undisturbed. To them nothing that is familiar appears unaccountable or difficult to comprehend."
#58
(12-11-2025, 01:27 PM)andy06shake Wrote: I would have thought the term impure/unclean would be more appropriate.

Pure spirit ... as in nothing but spirit.
That's the theological term.
God gets the same ... God is pure spirit.
So are the good angels.
That's how I was taught at the monastery. 
(Franciscan, took classes weekends for 8 years or so)
I suppose the monastery could have it wrong.
But I understand what they are saying by 'pure spirit' .. meaning nothing but spirit.
#59
(12-11-2025, 02:13 PM)FlyersFan Wrote: Pure spirit ... as in nothing but spirit.
That's the theological term.
God gets the same ... God is pure spirit.
So are the good angels.
That's how I was taught at the monastery. 
(Franciscan, took classes weekends for 8 years or so)
I suppose the monastery could have it wrong.
But I understand what they are saying by 'pure spirit' .. meaning nothing but spirit.

I suppose they could all have it wrong.

Because they can't all be correct.

After all, they are not all claiming the same thing.
"Yet so it is, we see the illiterate bulk of mankind that walk the high-road of plain common sense, and are governed by the dictates of nature, for the most part easy and undisturbed. To them nothing that is familiar appears unaccountable or difficult to comprehend."
#60
(12-09-2025, 02:37 PM)FlyersFan Wrote: You are free to read an exorcists diary and books of what he has encountered if you like.
But likely you won't. Whatever.

MSGR Rossetti's Diary of an Exorcist and His Books Here

Instead of the expected website, a YouTube video opened when I clicked on the link. Glory be, a miracle!

Eager not to miss a drop of the holy juice, I watched to the end. As an ex-adman, I clearly recognised the format of what is called an infomercial, with a huckster in a soutane earnestly hawking snake-oil to troubled souls. I heard exactly two references to matters Satanic: the phrase ‘dabbling in witchcraft’ in his opening pitch, and later on the following: ‘For example, when someone is fully possessed, it can take years of praying over that person.’

Hmm, I thought. Rather shy about it, are they? So I went to the Wikipedia article on the huckster, and guess what, there wasn’t a word on it about possession or exorcism. Not a word. But quite a lot about his qualifications as a psychiatrist. So – one face for the scam victims and another for the more sophisticated public? Oh, be charitable, my good angel urged from my right shoulder (I’m slightly deaf in that ear). Like all good salesmen, he tailors his pitch to his customers. He knows that the foolish and superstitious have no truck with psychology or science, so he draws them in with all this talk of devils; but under the biretta and black fancy-dress he’s a decent, humanitarian psychiatrist who will do anything to help as many mentally troubled people as he can, even sell them a line of bunkum if he has to do that to pull them in.

But in the meantime the video had collapsed into a thumbnail and I was looking – finally – at the catholicexorcism.com website. St Michael and all angels protect us, what a bazaar! I was reminded of the Temple forecourt before Jesus kicked the moneylenders out. There were the good monsignor’s books: Confessions of an American Exorcist, yours for a mere $21.95 plus $5 shipping within the US! Another, newer book for $23.95 with free shipping! Next, ‘online deliverance sessions’ (exorcism by internet! who knew?), seemingly free but with a ‘click to register’ button right at the top of a page stuffed with hundreds of testimonials from previous attendees – all unsolicited, I’m sure – and then, miles down the page, right the bottom, an almost illegible bit of fine print saying, ‘If you just opted in, you’re consenting to receive marketing emails from: St. Michael Center for Spiritual Renewal, PO Box 83014, Gaithersburg, MD 20883.’ No opt-out button to be seen on the page, though.

Still, who would ever want to opt out, eh?

The Resources menu on the site doesn’t even open to a page. I guess they don’t want to give the impression that all they do is sell stuff by putting the entire inventory on one page. Instead, the link drops down a sub-menu, and you have to click on the items individually to see and buy them. ‘Pray with me’ videos, ‘SMC deliverance cards’, ‘praying rosary & divine mercy chaplet’, ‘videos for exorcists,’ and so on. There’s free stuff too though, I must admit: prayers for the faithful to recite, mostly. And sermons. Speech, as people like to say, is free.

By this time there was no pretending I was looking at anything but a gang of vampires gorging on the distress and despair of mentally troubled, poorly educated, helpless people. I was about to click off with a cleansing After-Exorcism Scrub, but that turned out to be just another prayer, not a real scrub. Disappointing!

Just then I finally noticed, buried deep in the bowels of the homepage, a link to ‘Monsignor Rossetti’s Exorcism Blog’. At last, the true, the blushful Hippocrene! I clicked through eagerly, and read two posts: ‘Six of the Most Dangerous Practices,’ the one featured in this thread, and another, ‘A Good Day,’ about some poor childhood abuse victim whose ‘demon’, clearly, was drug and sex addiction. No diabolical manifestations, no emerald-green puke, no heads swivelling on unforgiving necks and, most disappointing of all, no levitation!! Just some troubled people in urgent need of rescue and comfort.

Well, if Msgr Rossetti can provide it, more power to him; and the poor people who finance him think, no doubt, that the money he extracts from them is a fair price to pay for their deliverance. What did he deliver you from, FlyersFan, and how much did it cost you in all?

Oh, never mind; what do I care. What I would like to know, though, is exactly which part of that website, or the infomercial it opens, is supposed to provide the evidence for real demons and the phenomenon of possession that you are trying to sell us? I ask you this in all seriousness, because nothing I read or saw on that website was unfamiliar to the lexicon of abnormal psychology; only conventionally identifiable mental illnesses and a heap of superstitious bunkum (‘during this reading, holy water is sprinkled on all those present if possible’, etc). If there is any particular page or excerpt you find especially convincing, please link or quote just that, and nothing else.

Failing such evidence, all you have convinced me of is that devils do exist, but they are human devils, who call themselves exorcists.



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