Arm yourself somehow

[Shoshanna]

Since the plea bargain to save his life and subsequent sentencing, documents have been released relating to the investigation of the quadruple murder in Moscow, Idaho.

I have been reading these documents in my free time since their release and something really struck me about how quickly someone can lose control of a situation but also the absolute importance of weapons in a self defense scenario.

Of course these ladies and Ethan should have been SAFE. In their own house, minding their own business.

No one expects some total freak to creepy crawl into their house at night and stab them to death.

After reading how Xana became aware of the intruder and fought for her life, sustaining over 50 stab wounds and a vast majority of them defensive wounds it made me wonder. Well, what would the outcome have been if Xana had a knife too?

What if Maddie slept like I do, knife in between my mattress and box spring, ready for me to grab and stab any freak who enters my bedroom directly in the neck.

And that's just to temporarily stun the freak. Then I go for the nightstand and my gun.

Maybe I'm paranoid but I have a weapon or two in every room of my house because I don't feel like dying at the hands of some pathetic blight on society.

Yes they were tired and intoxicated which definitely would affect reaction time. I understand that. But they were up chatting with each other and texting boyfriends just minutes before this happened. Xana was waiting up for her food to get there.

I just really feel strongly that if any one of these girls had a weapon. Knife. Baseball bat. Anything really. Not so much that they would have definitely came out alive, but just that they would have gained the element of surprise and even shock.

Kohberger would not be expecting to be stabbed himself. He would be shocked at being attacked himself. In the moment. Which would have changed the calculus in his mind and given those girls a few seconds advantage that could have changed the outcome in this case.

I feel the same exact way about the Delphi Tragedy. If only. If only one of those girls had some kind of weapon, not even a weapon so much. If they quickly bum rushed that reject on the bridge and pushed him off he never would have saw it coming.

Sometimes people are of the opinion that you shouldn't fight back when faced with a threatening situation. Or you'll make it worse. Just give the robber what they want. This is why so many of these non-human entities exist in our society.

My thought is..........if you're gonna come at somebody crazy, you should be aware they might come back at you double crazy.

I am reminded of this video. This absolute legend.




Yes, Tony. Sometimes you DO just have to stand up to punks like that.

Don't give any control to someone who intends to harm you. Put them off guard. Shock them.

Most of all, especially ladies but everyone really, be aware of your surroundings. Scout every scenario for weapons or strategies you can use to defend yourself. Always figure out where the exits are and keep a clear path to them in your mind.

I just think it is really imperative even if you are a pacifist to just think about self defense in any means you can.

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[SomeStupidName]

Everyone should own a gun and be very familiar with it. You won't have time for police to show up and save you in a serious situation. Those who live in places that don't allow guns make a sling and have a knife or machete.

[IdeomotorPrisoner]

I have a Glock 19 named "Dame Glockenspiel" (Lady Bella). And probably the last poster people would expect to write that. 

But it stays in a case in a desk drawer.  Even if I kept it beside my bed I'd be afraid he'd overpower me easily and keep from even getting to it.  I know me and I have a deer in headlights in my fight or flight response. Especially if woken up. I would scream in place. 

My flight response is watching my brain fly out of my head and leave me temporarily frozen and by the time that ends the attacker is on top of me and stabbing me to death. 

How long would I have to gather myself and reach for the drawer? I would never make it even with the gun loaded, cocked, and ready. 

And that probably goes for any weapon id have to get to and figure out how to use.

[David64]

Get a dog.

Don't get me wrong, you should have a gun, but a dog is your early warning system. Not everyone can afford sophisticated alarm systems, but a dog is better.

I have 3 and they have different barks for different situations.

There's - "I see a deer lemme go chase it !! "

Then there's "That's a new cat lemme go sniff it !! " { my dogs love cats and wouldn't hurt them they just like to play with them }

and then there's " Somebody is outside !!! "

Hair raising, blood curdling howls and barks that have me reaching for my gun before my eyes are even open. You don't need a $10,000 trained attack dog, just a good 'ol mutt will do and you have the benefit of making a friend for life.

[Solvedit]

I've seen some medical literature that says guns are a source of lead exposure.  Low-cost practice ammunition usually has exposed lead at the base of the projectile even if it's called "full metal jacket" and the cap contains a little lead.  Both cause airborne lead.  DMSA should be taken when around guns and if your range allows it, consider wearing an N95.  If we buy more N95s now, there will be more in the pipeline if there's an epidemic of some kind.  

Some people feel you shouldn't go in the public sewer system if you are on DMSA.  DMSA causes renal excretion of lead.

[David64]

I've seen some medical literature that says guns are a source of lead exposure.  Low-cost practice ammunition usually has exposed lead at the base of the projectile even if it's called "full metal jacket" and the cap contains a little lead.  Both cause airborne lead.  DMSA should be taken when around guns and if your range allows it, consider wearing an N95.  If we buy more N95s now, there will be more in the pipeline if there's an epidemic of some kind.  

Some people feel you shouldn't go in the public sewer system if you are on DMSA.  DMSA causes renal excretion of lead.

The guy on the other end is the one who needs to worry about lead exposure.

[BeyondKnowledge]

I've seen some medical literature that says guns are a source of lead exposure.  Low-cost practice ammunition usually has exposed lead at the base of the projectile even if it's called "full metal jacket" and the cap contains a little lead.  Both cause airborne lead.  DMSA should be taken when around guns and if your range allows it, consider wearing an N95.  If we buy more N95s now, there will be more in the pipeline if there's an epidemic of some kind.  

Some people feel you shouldn't go in the public sewer system if you are on DMSA.  DMSA causes renal excretion of lead.

What about fishing? Lead is still the most popular sinker material even though there are alternatives. 

What about SCUBA diving? Led is still the weight of choice in hard or soft weights.

What about electronics? There is most likely lead in the solder used to make that device in your hand.

Bullets are not any more a source than any other unless you are on the catching end. There is steel shot but full metal jacket is just covered lead. 

Just don't chew on the soft dull grey metal.

[Moon68]

I've seen some medical literature that says guns are a source of lead exposure.  Low-cost practice ammunition usually has exposed lead at the base of the projectile even if it's called "full metal jacket" and the cap contains a little lead.  Both cause airborne lead.  DMSA should be taken when around guns and if your range allows it, consider wearing an N95.  If we buy more N95s now, there will be more in the pipeline if there's an epidemic of some kind.  

Some people feel you shouldn't go in the public sewer system if you are on DMSA.  DMSA causes renal excretion of lead.

I'd like to see a link to that medical literature.

[MichSwampbuck]

First off, be situational aware, know the exits, even windows. Stay within range of an exit and have your back to the wall where you can see everything in the room or area. If you see an armed aggressor moving in, head for the exit. Drop down during gun fire and hide if you can't safely reach the exit.

Don't have clothes on that make you stand out in anyway.  Dress in colors that blend with your background if possible. Also, use any distractions that may occur to escape. Don't stare at or approach the perp and do not engage them unless they come after you and you have no other choice.

If you have to fight, anything thing goes, find a weapon and use it to kill. Don't play games, you have to give it all you got and take them out without mercy. You may not finish them off, or they may survive after you think they are dead, but you have to act with the purpose of killing them. Grab their goods and squeeze with all your might, poke their eyes out Stooges style, stomp them into road kill after they go down, keep kicking, scream in rage, and kill, Kill, KILL! Go Viking berserker and spare no one, make them fear you as your rage explodes into a deadly rampage! If they are going to use deadly force, then you should too. Don't go willingly to your death, take them with you if possible.

[RazorV66]

Get a dog.

Don't get me wrong, you should have a gun, but a dog is your early warning system. Not everyone can afford sophisticated alarm systems, but a dog is better.

I have 3 and they have different barks for different situations.

There's - "I see a deer lemme go chase it !! "

Then there's "That's a new cat lemme go sniff it !! " { my dogs love cats and wouldn't hurt them they just like to play with them }

and then there's " Somebody is outside !!! "

Hair raising, blood curdling howls and barks that have me reaching for my gun before my eyes are even open. You don't need a $10,000 trained attack dog, just a good 'ol mutt will do and you have the benefit of making a friend for life.

My 3 year old female Blue Nose Pitbull has a very distinctive bark when she is alarmed by something, we call it her panic bark.
My 10 year old male Olde English Bulldogge knows the difference from her regular bark and her panic bark, he won't budge with a regular bark from her but he will fly into a rage himself when he hears her panic bark.

One night about 3AM a while back, one of our cats knocked something off the table and it was loud, it woke me up but before I could put my feet on the floor, the dogs were snarling all the way down the hall into the kitchen and immediately stopped snarling when they got there and I knew everything was fine at that point.

I sleep like a baby at night knowing they are there but always with a pistol within reach if something goes sideways.

To the OP, Kohberger doesn't seem like a particularly big or strong guy so he must have got the jump on those kids somehow especially the male victim.
He seemed to come out without any wounds at all from the victims, or at least very minor ones.